A lot of the discussion in this thread seems to confound the word "genius" with talent. There is, to be sure, a vernacular use of the word that depreciates it but perhaps it's well to ponder what Wilde said: "I put all my genius into my life; I put only my talent into my works."
I think of genius as someone who has made some kind of leap over the others in the field and changed the field - redefined what is possible. Someone who has crafted a production in a way that only in retrospect seems right - who had the insight to create something not just new - but completely new. The ones whose work causes others in the field to think - my field will never be the same. Someone to whom everyone is constantly compared to and generally found to not have achieved.
This doesn't mean that others aren't great - or creative - or even groundbreakers. I think the genius is someone is not only a gamechager - but almost unrivaled. The names which come to mind are: Porter, Rodgers, Robbins and Fosse.
Considering the diversity of his body of work, in terms of topic, content, intelligence, and emotion, and the effect his work has had on musical theatre as an artform, Sondheim is the only person I, personally, would call a genius of musical theatre writing.
For dramatists - Miller and Williams. Perhaps Ionesco and Beckett- though maybe they verge more on mad genius? For me, Durang is a comedic genius. Though I suspect I am in the minority here in that opinion.
Director/choreographers are harder for me to assess, since their work, unless preserved on film or ingrained in memory, can't be combed over. I would inclined to say Fosse earned the title.
"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."
I believe Tim Minchin, assuming he produces at least a few more good shows, could turn out to be the 21st century equivalent of Tom Jones and Harvey Schmidt- a respected fringe figure whose shows are a little too quirky to be "canonical," but who remains a production fixture here and there nonetheless.
The greatest actress of the modern age: Emma Thompson
If anyone ever tells you that you put too much Parmesan cheese on your pasta, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
Someone in a Tree2, Loesser didn't just write "musical comedy scores." He wrote THE MOST HAPPY FELLA. Also, his musical comedy scores were far more ambitious than anyone else's.
A genius, for me, also has to be pretty much consistent. And I'm talking about Musical Theater. Einstein is an entirely different genius than Sondheim. But re: Bernstein-- There is a joy, spontaneity, and unpretentiousness in the scores for WONDERFUL TOWN, ON THE TOWN, and particularly CANDIDE. Half of WEST SIDE STORY can fall into the category. The other half can fall into the category of MASS, A QUIET PLACE, and everything else he wrote after he started conducting for the Philharmonic-- "Important." Don't get me wrong. There are good spots in MASS (The Gloria Tibi, "A Simple Song" has a gorgeous melody marred by slighly ridiculous text), and A QUIET PLACE... well...I think the daughter has a nice aria in the garden. Anyway...
Even in the most serious of Sondheim shows, there's joy. Yes, even in PASSION. I said that, yes.
And Jule Styne didn't know how to notate the triplets in "Everything's Coming Up Roses" so...he's out. (Kidding!) But I wouldn't put him there. And Michael Bennett WAS a genius at manipulating mediocre and/or less assured talents into doing whatever the hell he wanted after he left the Sondheim/Prince collaboration. I think had he not died so young, he may have made my list.
"The names which come to mind are: Porter, Rodgers, Robbins and Fosse. "
By your definition, I think Hammerstein would deserve the term slightly more than Rodgers--he was the one who pushed for the new direction their musicals pursued (not to mention Show Boat, etc.)
"For dramatists - Miller and Williams. Perhaps Ionesco and Beckett- though maybe they verge more on mad genius? For me, Durang is a comedic genius. Though I suspect I am in the minority here in that opinion."
Not here--I agree with you.
You raise a fair point about directors. While Hal Prince's work has been of uneven quality, one point in his favour is that so much of what the musicals he did with Kander and Ebb and with Sondheim ultimately became were due to his work from extremely early on (of course the same could be said of some of Williams' and Miller's plays and Elia Kazan who I suppose could be up there, as well.) In some ways he really was a co-author even if he didn't get credit the way Robbins, Fosse and (sometimes) Bennett took on their programs.
Here's something I think I'd propose: the difference between a Genius and a Virtuoso. I think a Genius makes an unprecedented leap forward, while a Virtuoso crafts perfection.
I think Sondheim is closer to a Genius by that rubric, and Rodgers a Virtuoso.
Likewise, for playwrights, I'd probably put Stoppard in the Genius category. (Shakespeare, naturally, was a Genius. Perhaps maybe the only dramatist we could pretty unanimously agree on?) Durang seems like a Virtuoso. I also think McDonagh is a Virtuoso.
Words don't deserve that kind of malarkey. They're innocent, neutral, precise, standing for this, describing that, meaning the other, so if you look after them you can build bridges across incomprehension and chaos. But when they get their corners knocked off, they're no good anymore…I don't think writers are sacred, but words are. They deserve respect. If you get the right ones in the right order, you can nudge the world a little.
It may seem generous to use the term "genius" with a dozen or even two dozen or so Broadway artists, but for every one of them, there are thousands who aren't in that league. I absolutely consider that to be used sparingly.
I have a longer list, but these are the people who come to mind (a decidedly "musical theatre" bunch):
Richard Rodgers Oscar Hammerstein Lorenz Hart George Gershwin Stephen Sondheim Bob Fosse Howard Ashman Cole Porter Michael Bennett Tommy Tune Hal Prince Leonard Bernstein Jerome Robbins Irving Berlin Joshua Logan George Abbott George C. Wolfe Jo Mielziner Robert Russell Bennett Jonathan Tunick
"Jaws is the Citizen Kane of movies."
blocked: logan2, Diamonds3, Hamilton22
For me, I find certain performances, works, etc. genius. So, my question is, if, say, an actor has one performance that I thought was genius, or a composer has one musical that I think is genius, are they, in turn, geniuses? Or do they have to have a certain amount of works that I would put in the “genius” category to then be considered a genius themselves? I find Tim Minchin’s work for “Matilda” to be genius, but don’t know any of his other work (performance, solo albums, etc.) – can I consider him a genius or not?
Nevertheless, whatever the definition is, the first names that came to mind were Sondheim, Audra, and Lin-Manuel Miranda.
I know it’s likely I will get some push-back on naming Miranda, but I really do believe he is a genius. Many in this thread have discussed how a genius takes a leap in an art form or creates something new. I think he has done this and I am continually impressed with how his brain works and what he is able to create (even just to small things he will post on twitter or the like). I also saw the reading of the first act (and a few second act songs) from his new musical “Hamilton” at Vassar last summer and, just from what I heard, I really believe it is the work of a genius.
For me, the difference between someone who is a genius and someone who is "merely" a great artist is this: If I find myself admiring what the artist creates, I acknowledge that person as a great artist.
But if I find myself wondering "How the hell did a human being create something as breathtaking as this?" then I acknowledge that person as a genius.
Oh, I do. I wish more "geniuses" could create expressions of joy and exuberance. I think we need this more now than ever before.
PalJoey, I totally agree with you. It is easier to write a really good comedy in my opinion than a really good drama, but while masterworks of dramatic theatre come along every five years, I could probably count the amount of masterworks of comedic theatre on my fingers, because they are so much harder to get perfect.
Anything regarding shows stated by this account is an attempt to convey opinion and not fact.