Questions and thoughts about Wicked

Posted: 1/2/04 at 5:50pm

Hey, I have the Wicked cd, but haven't seen the show or finished the bok but am a bit confused bout stuff. these are the conclusions i've come to about the plot

elphie loves fyero, fyero's with glinda. fyero and elphie end up together, the town takes fyero away, in an attempt to save fyero elphie creates a magic potion, that no matter how hard they try to tear him apart, he will never die, thereby he becomes the scarecrow...? (Also throughout the cd he references thoughts, brains, and empti headedness.)

nessarose is elphie's sister. she is in a wheel chair, although i think inthe book she has no arms, right? anyhow, elphie gives nessa special shoes that make her walk, and when dorothy's house lands on nessa, elphie wants the slippers back....???

Boq and nessa are together. he breaks her heart so elphie turns him into the tinman????

These are only GUESSES from listening to the cd, and reading stuff you guys have written, am i even close??

[BroadwayGirl107]

Posted: 1/2/04 at 5:58pm

Boq and nessa are together. he breaks her heart so elphie turns him into the tinman????

Not quite. Nessa is in love with Boq, but he is not interested in her at all. In the beginning of the show, he asks her to the dance, because Galinda convinces him to do so, because that would make her happy (actually, its because she doesn't want to be bothered with Boq, she wants Fiyero), and since he loves Galinda, he'd do anything to make her happy. But anyway...do you really want me to spoil how/why he turns into the tinman?

Posted: 1/2/04 at 6:06pm

so boq DOES turn into the Tinman? that's my question? lol :)
Because in Dancin thru life it does sound like he actually fals for her. then i figured he must break her heart so elphaba puts a curse on him to remove his heart and make him never feel love again. but that's just what i was thinking while listening because the tinman's voice sounds like boq's but the tinman's not listed in the lyric book credits, at least i think he's not.

[BroadwayGirl107]

Posted: 1/2/04 at 6:07pm

that's not exactly it, but yes, he's the tinman.

[BillFinn]

Posted: 1/2/04 at 6:25pm

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In the book, the shoes are given to Nessarose by her father, Frex, and Glinda tells Elphaba towards the end that she put a simple spell on them to let her walk on her own.

In the musical, (it might have change. I'm coming from the SF version) Elphaba puts a spell on the shoes to let her walk when she complains how Elphaba's never there for her in "We Deserve Each Other Reprise" (now "The Wicked Witch of the East")

[bernadette88]

Posted: 1/2/04 at 9:19pm

oohhh tell us more of the spoilers....I want to know them all....!!!

[BroadwayGirl107]

Posted: 1/2/04 at 11:55pm

No...you really don't. Unless it's impossible to see the show at all. But there's a good reason why there's no plot synopsis in the cd booklet and all of the songs were chopped up. There's many plot twists that really make the show an exciting thing to watch the first time. Trust me, you don't want the spoilers.

Posted: 1/3/04 at 10:36pm

I want spoilers! I want spoilers!

Joshua

[moljul]

Posted: 1/3/04 at 10:42pm

Without giving anymore away, let me just say that Elphaba does not cast spells on people for evil purposes or for revenge (such as suggested in this thread). However Bog becomes the Tinman, it is not because Elphaba is "getting back at him" for breaking Nessarose.

Nothing Elphaba does is Wicked. Updated On: 1/3/04 at 10:42 PM

[Songsstresss]

Posted: 1/4/04 at 3:08pm

If anyboudy wants spoilers about the show feel free to PM me!

Posted: 1/4/04 at 4:23pm

thanks everyone, and yes i heard the book is alot different than the show. i think i heard the book doesnt even have references to how the scarecrow, tinman and lion came to be....?

[BillFinn]

Posted: 1/4/04 at 4:55pm

The book certainly tells you how the Tin Man came to be, and it tells you a little of how the Lion came to be though I don't agree, but as far as the Scarecrow I don't remember.

[jesseeinstein]

Posted: 1/4/04 at 5:08pm

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In the book, Elphaba thinks that Fiyero is inside the scarecrow, but of course he isn't because he is killed by the Ozian guards. In the show, he actually IS the scarecrow and Elphaba is the one that turns him into it! The book hints at how the scarecrow came to be I think at one point where Elphaba sees some men putting up a scarecrow.

[BillFinn]

Posted: 1/4/04 at 5:59pm

I thought the book said Elphaba thought the Scarecrow was Fiyero in disguise?

[BillyLawlor]

Posted: 1/4/04 at 6:00pm

I was thinking about it and it really makes no sense at all. If Fiyero is her love, why then at the end of "The Wizard Of Oz" did she say "How about a little fire, Scarecrow?"

She went to kill him first. Why would she do that if the Scarecrow is, indeed, her lover?

[JoizeyActor]

Posted: 1/4/04 at 6:01pm

Some Wicked PMS.

[bernadette88]

Posted: 1/4/04 at 6:08pm

i don't think that Greg. Maguire followed the story of the Wizard of Oz exactly...I think he changed some things around...So even though the Wicked Witch of the West says in the "Wizard of Oz" that she is gonna put fire on him, that may not be the same story Mr. Maguire was telling us....I could be wrong...But i have heard that the movie and book of the wizard of oz don't pick up exactly where Greg Maguire left off....someone correct me if im wrong

[Becky]

Posted: 1/4/04 at 6:49pm

"So even though the Wicked Witch of the West says in the "Wizard of Oz" that she is gonna put fire on him, that may not be the same story Mr. Maguire was telling us"

I can accept that aspect of the movie because the movie is from, say, Dorothy's perspective. The musical/book is from Elphaba's perspective - which is why she doesn't seem wicked when you look at things the way she experienced them.

[JoizeyActor]

Posted: 1/4/04 at 6:52pm

Obviously.

[BillFinn]

Posted: 1/4/04 at 7:35pm

It can't be from Dorothy's perspective because then it would have shown the Wizard asking for the ruby slippers. I just see it as a Pro-Wizard movie. Kinda like those Patriotism commercials to be Pro-Bush.

[Becky]

Posted: 1/4/04 at 8:36pm

"It can't be from Dorothy's perspective "

Just meant that the musical is from a different perspective than the movie. I've seen it argued on other forums that in the movie, Elphaba set the entire thing up with the scarecrow (hence the bucket of water being conveniently right there) so he wouldn't be harmed and their "plan" could be executed (the way it unfolded in the musical). Now of course, this is reading *way* too far into everything, but people have thought of possible connections and explanations such as that in discussions....

[BroadwayBaby3]

Posted: 1/4/04 at 8:54pm

please don't give away any more surprises. i highly recommend seeing the show before judging the CD.

[Mr_CaptainPants]

Posted: 1/5/04 at 2:56pm

Hi, everyone! I just registered here after having just obtained the cast album of Wicked, and wanted to weigh in on the spoiler issue. I totally respect the opinions of everyone saying "no spoilers, please". They are trying to protect the experience of those lucky enough to be able to see the show from being, um, well, "spoiled". But we also have to realize that there are those of us who live nowhere near Broadway, and after working, paying the bills, and feeding the cat, simply do not have the financial ability to go there, despite our love of the theatre. To this group, of which I am unfortunately a member, spoilers are a mercy. Imagine if you had no choice but to wonder what happened for a couple of years before a touring cast was assembled and happened to roll into a town near you! Cruel and unusual punishment, I tell you! Why, its almost...WICKED. (snicker)

Thanks for listening!

-Dan

[broadway geek]

Posted: 1/5/04 at 3:06pm

Mr CaptainPants I know what you mean, I was desperate to know what happened also. But after a wonderful Christmas surprise, I realised that the few spoilers that did get out took a little out of the show. So I would say wait till the tour comes.

[DavidMegg]

Posted: 1/5/04 at 3:16pm

Gregory Maguire took some liberties with the story, and what I mean by that is, he fashioned his novel very closely to the movie, however, even the movie deviated from L. Frank Baum's original stories too.
For instance, Maguire's book, yes, Fieryo is not the scarecrow. Elphaba thinks he might be a scarecrow she sees, but then once all his stuffing is out, she realizes it can't be him. It kind of leaves it open ended. I think the musical does well to complete its plot line by making this change and have Fieryo be the scarecrow.
In the novel, Dorothy is alone with the witch when she melts.
She lights her broom on fire (as in the movie), and when an amber falls on her dress, Dorothy throws the water on her to help Elphaba. In the "castle" where they all are, only the Lion is with Dorothy, albiet not in the room with the two gals. No scarecrow, no tinman.
I enjoyed the book thoroughly, but must admit - know knowing the musical, I wished that there was some definitive closure on Fieryo.
my 2 cents,
david.