Tina Fey tells Stern what she thinks of Paris Hilton- Page 2

[SueleenGay]

Posted: 11/18/06 at 11:15am

To paraphrase almost everyone here on this board, "Why is everyone so mean to Paris?"

[MOXIEINTHECITY]

Posted: 11/18/06 at 11:57am

"Now, I love finding out that b-list women celebs have major anti-women streaks like Hilton revealed with her "I hate her" schtick. But it's a little off when these details are also coming from a woman who is trashing the woman in question who trashed other women. "

So, if it was a guy repeating this story, then the comments would have merit? Do tell, how is that not a sexist statement?

A woman can make a judgement about another woman or pass a comment about another woman without it being about jealousy or pettiness. It's offensive. It's saying that a woman can not have an opinion or an emotion that isn't rooted in insecurity or jealousy. That's bull****.

The whole reason why Fey co-wrote Mean Girls was to showcase how ugly female to female relationships can be when jealousy and competition gets involved.


I have no idea what either person's motivation was when they said what they said. But just because Fey is a female and she's publicly stating what an obnoxious, self-entitled, talentless twat Paris Hilton is doesn't make her "anti-women."

If that was Tracy Morgan or Norm McDonald or some other male SNL cast member, nobody would blink an eye at their revelations. But because it's coming from a woman the comments are discredited.

Fey, I think, said what she said because she watched Hilton **** on various writers and cast members and she took issue with it. And instead of playing all coy and "oh, I can't say that" and putting on some fake, phony act, she actually had the balls to say "Yeah, she sucked and here's why." She didn't worry about getting bad publicity. She wasn't saying it so that TMZ would pick up her quote and distribute it. She didn't do it so Perez Hilton would slobber about it on his blog. In other words, she did it NOT to get press or attention but because she was asked a questions and chose to give an honest answer. God forbid a smart woman have an opinion and the balls to vocalize it. She must be PMSing.

Fey was known for being incredibly loyal to the SNL cast and crew and she was offended by how rude and dissmissive Paris was to people who worked hard to try and create something that would make Paris look interesting and funny.

[Becoz_i_knew_you21]

Posted: 11/18/06 at 12:18pm

*applauds Moxie*

[etoile]

Posted: 11/18/06 at 12:56pm

How self loathing does a woman, does anyone, have to be to appear on Howard Stern?

And just because someone asked a question doesn't mean it needed be answered, or at least answered to tear down someone else. I think it was poor form on the part of Tina Fey.

Regardless what people think about Paris Hilton, stupid she ain't.

[MrMidwest]

Posted: 11/18/06 at 1:08pm

Why do you think she's not stupid, etoile? I hope it's something other than "she knows how to keep herself in the public eye" argument.

[Pippin]

Posted: 11/18/06 at 1:10pm

no, I think she is. She was born into permanant wealth and has a F.U attitude to everything. you could see it when she hosted SNL. she was so over it, and you could tell the cast was over her as well. She doesn't need an education, and she doesn't need anymore yesmen around her, I am sure that Fey is justified in trashing her. I would. I never met her and I don't like the ho.


I also don't think Fey is Self-Loathing. if anyone has intelligence, it's Fey. Stern has so many adamant listeners, and it is a smart career move to go on Stern and get maybe a few extra hundred viewers of the show she is trying to promote. Fey is smart and decent enough not to go on a show if she didn't approve of the interviewer. Some women, like Fey actually find STern's humor funny, and are able to participate in the joke of degrading the stupid, egocentric hoes that, Frankly deserve being made fun of because they are so into themselves and think that they should recieve everything in this world on a silver platter because they are prettier than Fey, just like Hilton.

Updated On: 11/18/06 at 01:10 PM

[Jane2]

Posted: 11/18/06 at 1:15pm

"Regardless what people think about Paris Hilton, stupid she ain't."

Well then she deserves an oscar for acting that way.

And how do you know that she 'ain't' stupid?

[notsovirginmary]

Posted: 11/18/06 at 1:35pm

I had the “pleasure” of spending a half hour in the company of Paris last year. It was more then enough time for me to figure out that she is the worse kind of stupid: she thinks she is really smart. She was extremely condescending, all the while misusing words, and randomly declaring various actresses and singers “ugly” “fat” and “stupid” among other things. She talked to everyone (including her friends) like they were four, as if we couldn’t grasp her level of intellect.

[Freckles1329]

Posted: 11/18/06 at 10:17pm

Tina is the epitome of brilliance.

[Rose_MacShane]

Posted: 11/18/06 at 10:33pm

notsovirginmary, how did you score that "privilege"?

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 11/19/06 at 12:11am

Jesus, Moxie, on the one hand you point out that you have no idea what either person's motivation is and on the other you write "the whole reason" Tina wrote Mean Girls, then you reversed yourself and speculate about what you think is the reason she said what she said.

So, if it was a guy repeating this story, then the comments would have merit? Do tell, how is that not a sexist statement?

Yeah, uh, so, NO, that wasn't what I was saying. If Tracy Morgan or Norm MacDonald trashed a female host of the show publically I wouldn't be at all surprised and I am sure it would have been well nigh impossible for them to be not sexist in their criticism. Maybe it was sexist of me to expect more from Fey. But what she exhibited, at least according to the transcript, is engaging in what feminists used to call "false consciousness," which involves joining with a sexist guy by putting down another woman, triangulating against her when she is not present, and scoring points with the male who is, as Stern was in this case, in the power position.

Guess I would have respected Tina more about this issue if she had talked honestly about it right after Hilton was on the show, which was way back in February 05. She's done an awful lot of interviews between then and now, but it's only come up with Howard, who, freedom of speech advocate though he may be, is a sexist hog.

As I've said previously, I know she's smart. As I've said previously, I know she's talented. As I've said previously, I'm a fan. As I've said previously, my own personal cash has gone into her pocket for the privlege of seeing her perform live. Funny how people who don't like the fact that some minor criticism over this move have responded with testimonies to her being smart and brilliant.

Well, she let her smart guard down by buying into Stern's line of inquiry. And where's the sport in such a smart woman trashing this almost universal focus of ridicule for lack of intelligence that is Paris Hilton?

[DG]

Posted: 11/19/06 at 12:23am

Amen, Namo.

[MrMidwest]

Posted: 11/19/06 at 12:38am

"But what she exhibited, at least according to the transcript, is engaging in what feminists used to call "false consciousness," which involves joining with a sexist guy by putting down another woman, triangulating against her when she is not present, and scoring points with the male who is, as Stern was in this case, in the power position."

"Funny how people who don't like the fact that some minor criticism over this move have responded with testimonies to her being smart and brilliant."

Her being smart and Paris being not nearly as intelligent as her is what makes me think what you said in the first quote there isn't what happened. If she was just bashing some random talented female celebrity, then maybe, but it's Paris Hilton. Judging from Mean Girls and a lot of the jokes she did on Weekend Update, it makes sense to me that she would have a problem with women who glorify stupidity.

I imagine the fact that she's friends with Lindsay Lohan, who doesn't seem to be on the best terms with Paris, might have factored in, too.

[DG]

Posted: 11/19/06 at 12:41am

And Ms. Lohan is the paragon of intelligence?

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 11/19/06 at 12:43am

"I imagine the fact that she's friends with Lindsay Lohan...."

Maybe she's not so smart after all.

[MrMidwest]

Posted: 11/19/06 at 12:50am

No, I wouldn't say that Lohan is a "paragon of intelligence" or anything to that effect, but I definitely wouldn't say that she's on the same level of intelligence as Hilton, either. Lohan actually seems to have a personality and the ability to talk about her projects with some degree of insight. I think Lohan is more troubled and kind of lost than unintelligent.

Updated On: 11/19/06 at 12:50 AM

[TheatreDiva90016]

Posted: 11/19/06 at 4:38am

"Regardless what people think about Paris Hilton, stupid she ain't."

Um, I think she said herself, when she was pulled over, something to the effect of, 'I'm not really all that smart.'

[MOXIEINTHECITY]

Posted: 11/19/06 at 11:07am

Maybe it was sexist of me to expect more from Fey. But what she exhibited, at least according to the transcript, is engaging in what feminists used to call "false consciousness," which involves joining with a sexist guy by putting down another woman, triangulating against her when she is not present, and scoring points with the male who is, as Stern was in this case, in the power position.

So, wait. You didn't even listen to the show and you're making these ridiculous assessments? You're basing it on the written word, not a sound clip of the actual show? Throw around big words all you want......unless you heard the actual show, heard Tina, heard Stern, then you can't make any sort of sociological or psychological judgements. The transcripts? Where were these posted? On Perex Hilton? On here? Because I read what was on here and, yeah, it was sure missing a lot of what was said and she wasn't even quoted correctly. You see, I actually heard the show.

Stern isn't at all sexist, and if you listened to the show you'd know that. As a matter of fact, if you listen to his show (which you clearly don't) you might have heard him interviewing Martina Navritalova & Barbra Walters the same week he interviewed Fey. Now, do you see Martina expending any sort of energy on someone who is sexist? Have you ever heard Stern rally against these right to lifers and advocate a woman's right to choose? Have you heard him advocate gay marriage and gay rights? Have you heard him talk about why he feels Hillary Clinton would make a good Presidential candidate? Quit with the "Stern is sexist" argument. It's what people whi know nothing about the show use as a reason to criticize him. It's the easy excuse.

He's a pig because a bunch of low selfesteemed, desperate for fame women go on his show and willingly take off their clothes, beg for implants and talk about how they can fit a fist in their mouth? That's his fault? Does he threaten them or blackmail them to do that? It couldn't possibly be the women who are at fault for not thinking enough of themselves to not do stuff like that. You want to get on your feminist soapbox? Maybe aim all that crap at the over abundance of women in this country lifting their shirts for Joe Francis, or the television executives who put show after show on about self-absorbed women with Daddy Issues who walk around simpering and acting like victims while they use sex as a way to get attention, affection and fame. (Grey's Anatomy, Desperate Housewives.)


Fey wasn't joining in at all. Stern asked her if their were any guest hosts that pissed her off and she named Hilton. He didn't lead her into that discussion. You're assuming to know exactly what Fey's motivation was by even speaking about Hilton. Where you there? Do you know Fey personally? Doubt it. You're just another person who loves to use your big SAT words so you sound smart and important. Triangulating? False Consciousness? Get over yourself. You didn't even hear the show. You're yapping about things you aren't even fully informed about. I believe feminists used to call that "ignorant."

[MrMidwest]

Posted: 11/19/06 at 11:17am

I just listened to the audio of it. The whole thing about Paris happened pretty fast. He was just asking her about random stuff and the conversation moved towards her. It definitely didn't seem like she had gone on the show with the intent of bashing Hilton. She just answered the questions without censoring herself.

[Jane2]

Posted: 11/19/06 at 11:40am

I listened to the Stern show for around 10 years. I finally had enough. My main reason for quitting him was his vanity. I couldn't stand to hear him going on and on for hours, yes- hours at a time with his bragging.

The second reason was how he has no respect for women. I have no idea what goes on inside his little head but his show is dedicated to sexually arouse the lowlife men who are at home listening, and pleasuring themselves. If someone hasn't picked up on that by now, I don't know what show they're listening to.