Why RENT is the bane of my existence- Page 2

[orangeskittles]

Posted: 12/2/05 at 9:00am

"1. gay and so different from the rest of the world
2. an artist/musician and so different from the rest of the world
3. afraid that people will say they don't truly appreciate musical theater if they don't appreciate rent
4. imagining that it is better than it is, because of Johnathon Larson's tragic life
5. all of the above"

I also don't fit into any of these categories.


And don't use being 19 as an excuse for not "getting it". I'm a year older than you, and I haven't thought that AIDS or homosexuality "weren't a big deal" since I was about 8. Crawl out from under your rock and look around at the world before publically announcing such narrow-minded opinions, and using them to bash a show you've never seen.

[Wax Lion]

Posted: 12/2/05 at 9:37am

Wow. Wax Lion is *floored* that someone would make up a screen name such as this. If RENT is "the bane" of your existence, meaning that you are consistently annoyed and exasperated by the film, why come here to flood the board with your "hate". It's such a strong word, and for you to have it in your screen name leads me to lend you no credence as a fellow poster, regardless of your opinions.

You say "show me how I am wrong". Well, I could defend the show/film on all of those accounts, but I see no need. How about you show all of us how you are right? Please be more specific beyond claiming that you have to be queer or artistic to be a RENT fan. Once you have a solid grasp on the material and actually understand it, meaning a good argument to back up your comments, then we can talk. I don't discount anyone for having an opinion. Some people like RENT. Some people dislike RENT. That's the way it's always been, but for me not to pass you off as an attention monger, you've got to back yourself up.

Love,
Wax Lion

[meagan9848]

Posted: 12/2/05 at 9:47am

Meagan9848 loves it when Wax Lion comes around.

Just to add...I'm 20. Most of my friends are 18-21. Beyond that, none of them like traditional theatre. I have brought so many people to see the show (and film) and not one person has walked away untouched.

[sweetestsiren]

Posted: 12/2/05 at 9:48am

I just cannot sympathize with people who live in the slums of New York and who put on shows where they moo and scream in dirty freaky underground places and who buy drugs under bridges and who would rather live in these conditions than 'sell out'
Maybe I'm not a true artist, and that's why I don't understand...or maybe I'm just not a freak who romanticizes the idea that drug addicts and musicians and artists and homosexuals are different from the rest of the world and are the only people who can truly understand love.

I love Rent, but I think this is a fairly good point, and a very justifiable reason that someone wouldn't like the musical. It IS Bohemian living romanticized, and most people wonder why they can't just stop whining about how hard life is when they choose to live that way. I love the idea of giving up conventional luxury to pursue a dream, but I also recognize that it's a terribly romanticized version of what life would really be like.

No one said you had to like it, and I'm sorry that you don't when you were looking forward to it. A lot of people have the same opinion.

[Nothatsmrt]

Posted: 12/2/05 at 9:56am

Whatever your opinion about the show itself, I take argument with:

"4. imagining that it is better than it is, because of Johnathon Larson's tragic life".

His DEATH was tragic. His life was not...he was just a guy with talent, hoping for his voice to be heard, and tragically dying before he could fully realize his dream.

This may be a bit nit-picky, but think about it, IHATERENT.

[Elphaba]

Posted: 12/2/05 at 10:00am

you have no life, and you won't last long here.

please, enjoy your visit......then go the F away, to wherever all the other scumsucking little wannabes go, when their boring little lives get more boring.

Tell Nursie to up your meds, and to make sure your bindings are tighter when she straps you in for the night, as apparently you know how to escape.

when you have something valuable or intelligent to say, please come back........I am thinking that's about 10 years from now.

Updated On: 12/2/05 at 10:00 AM

[neocomposer]

Posted: 12/2/05 at 10:04am

I'm sorry Rent is the bane of your existence...sounds like a terrible life. I may like the show, but I'm ok with other people not enjoying it. However, posting about how much you hate it is a bit silly. Why not focus on the things you do enjoy instead of making your life worse by talking about Rent?

Just doesn't make sense to me...

[luvtheEmcee]

Posted: 12/2/05 at 10:05am

Oy vey!

[DamnYankees101]

Posted: 12/2/05 at 10:08am

"I just cannot sympathize with people who live in the slums of New York and who put on shows where they moo and scream in dirty freaky underground places and who buy drugs under bridges and who would rather live in these conditions than 'sell out'
Maybe I'm not a true artist, and that's why I don't understand...or maybe I'm just not a freak who romanticizes the idea that drug addicts and musicians and artists and homosexuals are different from the rest of the world and are the only people who can truly understand love."


I seemed to miss this part..how I do not know why because it SCREAMS stupidity .It's one thing to have some opinion but to call others freaks....I mean back really, when you're homosexual and living in dire conditions. Then talk to me about freaks.

The point is, that they understand love more because they're not people who have the advantages of money to show their love, they're very REAL. I'm sorry if sticking to your morals and not selling out is a freakish thing to do.

[Elphaba]

Posted: 12/2/05 at 10:16am

I just cannot sympathize with people who live in the slums of New York

so, you also do not like poor people, the homeless, I wonder who else. Damn those people who live in slums and blight my city!


and who put on shows where they moo and scream in dirty freaky underground places

so, only what you consider REAL theater is valid?


and who buy drugs under bridges and who would rather live in these conditions than 'sell out'

I'm betting you like your beer.....just another drug. And thank God for those who don't "sell-out".......


Maybe I'm not a true artist, and that's why I don't understand...

no, you're just a negative little 19yr old punk, with no class...and apparently you have no idea how to make a point without bashing, and being an A**.


or maybe I'm just not a freak who romanticizes the idea that drug addicts and musicians and artists and homosexuals are different from the rest of the world and are the only people who can truly understand love.

oh you're a freak, honey.......we get them here all they time. They have their little rantings and ravings, we respond, and then we laugh at them, and THANK GOD we are NOT them.

You have a right to your opinion.......but there is a way to express that without being the little 19yr old child you are.....

Grow-up.

and.......I will no longer waste anymore of my valuable time on you, as you are not worth it.

I'd say have a nice life, but that apparently will not happen......not with your attitude...

Updated On: 12/2/05 at 10:16 AM

[xM3L24x]

Posted: 12/2/05 at 10:51am

you say that RENT is the bane of your existence.. and yet you come onto a board, create a negative RENT screen name just to bash it? Common..grow up. How old are you? If you don't like RENT thats fine, nobody is forcing you or begging you to like it.. but to GO OUT OF YOU WAY to come on and bash it, is stupid and completely moronic. And to base your response on seeing the movie is even more stupid. You can't judge the whole show by the movie, which in my opinion was very different from my experience of it on stage or listening to the OBCR. I think you're stupid..please prove me how I'm wrong. Thanks!.

[DamnYankees101]

Posted: 12/2/05 at 10:57am

Hey xM3. He's 19. Some hope in me thinks he doesn't really KNOW what he's saying he's just talking but if questioned, he wouldn't really mean that AIDS inflicted artists are freaks.

Unless he's going to grow up to be President Bush the Third.

[xM3L24x]

Posted: 12/2/05 at 11:00am

well in that case, I just feel bad for him. He's 19 and posts like an idiot. That he has no compassion for the people in RENT is just horrible, do you have no heart?

[orangeskittles]

Posted: 12/2/05 at 11:24am

"Unless he's going to grow up to be President Bush the Third."

*knocks wood* What's worse is how many people would vote for him based on the beliefs he expressed in his post.

[defying_gravity2]

Posted: 12/2/05 at 2:09pm

You couldn't have picked a more mature SN. That doesn't suprise me. This thread is completely immature, and you could have found a classier way to express your opinion. I'm not going to argue with you and tell you all of the reasons why so many people love the show and why your statements are ignorant, that's been taken care of. Just, please read the FAQ.

[LeaGirl]

Posted: 12/2/05 at 2:34pm

I wish a musical was the bane of MY existance... instead of my astronomical NYC rent, debts from grad school, and the fact that I'm currently living off cheerios....

[dmb_rent]

Posted: 12/2/05 at 2:39pm

Munky, I adore your new icon. I'm assuming it's in reference to what ended up being our little tango maureen thread the other night with Fredi and Anthony? That was so much fun! I hope they come back at the same time again some night.

Oh, and by the way, why someone would start up a new account on here just to bash the film, is completely ridiculous. I mean, great IHATERENT, you didn't like the film -- who cares what you think? That's really what it comes down to. Just because you didn't enjoy the film doesn't mean it sucked. Two words: Reality. Check.

and the whines of whatshisface with the scarf.

Don't even go there, idiot.


<3

Updated On: 12/2/05 at 02:39 PM

[sadiem100]

Posted: 12/2/05 at 2:52pm

"I find that most people who love this show are either
1. gay and so different from the rest of the world
2. an artist/musician and so different from the rest of the world
3. afraid that people will say they don't truly appreciate musical theater if they don't appreciate rent
4. imagining that it is better than it is, because of Johnathon Larson's tragic life
5. all of the above "

Why would you ever make an assumption like that? I fit into none of these categories, and none of my friends who like Rent do either. Asshole.

[dmb_rent]

Posted: 12/2/05 at 2:55pm

yeah, and how does being artist/musician make you so different from the rest of the world anyway? IHATERENT, you need to get back to your 11th grade gym class and stop bothering us with your utter lack of intelligence.

[Roninjoey]

Posted: 12/2/05 at 3:10pm

Heh, this really got people riled up. Speaking as somebody who has neither a RENT related icon nor user handle, I'd like to say that when I first heard RENT I, too hated it for many of the same reasons. It took actually seeing it on stage for me to like it, because I otherwise found it confusing and banal. I think the movie loses a lot of what makes the stage show so touching.

I can't say I relate to RENT. I'm not going to willingly put myself into that sort of situation because of some strange ideal (I maintain that if Mark called up his parents and asked him to give him 500 bucks a month, they would), I don't feel like an outcast, I don't push drugs, I was a baby in the late 80s/early 90s, and I'm not trying to write one last song. But I find (some)of the characters touching.

It's a show you kind of have to open yourself up to, because the emotions are very broad and in your face. All the same it has a very wide fanbase, and if you're going to make good points IHATERENT, you might want to follow it up with good points rather than bad generalizations. And maybe support your statements.

Whoever said it, I've always wondered too why the worst song in the show is the one Roger has been trying to write the whole time... I think it's a holdover song from an earlier version JLarson was just too attached to.

And I'm forced to ask, what does:

you have no life, and you won't last long here.

mean, Elphaba? "You have no life"? Are you casting a spell?

[Jenny1284]

Posted: 12/2/05 at 3:45pm

I always thought that one of the show's messages was that even if you are extremely different from these characters, you could find something to relate to, or at least come to care about them. I don't think it was trying to alienate the audience, or talk down to them, as you seem to suggest. You said RENT implies that "drug addicts and musicians and artists and homosexuals are different from the rest of the world and are the only people who can truly understand love." I may be wrong, but what I gathered from the story wasn't that they were the only ones who could experience real love, but that they could experience true love, just like "normal people" (as you call them) do. You see the characters as "different from the rest of the world," but to me, it seemed as though they were trying to lessen the gap between these people who may come across as "freaks" to some (as you say they do) and "normal people." In "La Vie Boheme," they sing, "Let he among us without sin be the first to condemn." They suggest that everyone has their faults, so people should think twice before they judge others based upon the kind of life they live. Aside from being good advice to follow, it lessens the divide between "normal people" and "freaks." Like everyone, the characters ultimately just want to live their lives, do what makes them happy, and experience love. It may be a simple message, but it clearly speaks to a lot of people.

(I hope this doesn't sound too preachy. I was just trying to give one reason why I believe so many people appreciate the show/movie.)
Updated On: 12/2/05 at 03:45 PM

[Elphaba]

Posted: 12/2/05 at 3:48pm

nope, just almost two years on the boards tells me when people come in and, to use a toilet term, Dump and Disappear.......they usually go away.......seen it happen so many times......and good riddance

at least your post Ron, was WELL thought out, making some of the points as the original poster did, but without insulting......although you are wrong in one aspect...there are many people whose ideals mean more to them than the dollar........it's just few are in your generation....

Updated On: 12/2/05 at 03:48 PM

[MUNKY]

Posted: 12/2/05 at 3:57pm

It's such a strong word, and for you to have it in your screen name leads me to lend you no credence as a fellow poster, regardless of your opinions.

Wax Lion, you are my new personal hero!



Munky, I adore your new icon.

Dmb, yes! I hope that they come back and grace us with their presence.



"I find that most people who love this show are either...[blah blah blah I'm a idiot!]"

IHATERENT, Your handle bites the big one. And here's a quote for you..."From facing your loneliness, from facing the fact you live a lie!" :-P

Updated On: 12/2/05 at 03:57 PM

[SweetQintheLights]

Posted: 12/2/05 at 4:34pm

"Having been a singer and pianist for most of my life, I primarily listen to the music itself and how it is performed rather than lyrics so I did not appreciate the simple poetry of the music."

Hello!?!?! How are you going to enjoy it if you are listening to the music itself and how it is performed? Lyrics mean a lot. You are throwing away much of the show's meaning if you you not listening to the lyrics.

Also, the only singers that I liked were of course Idina, Tracie Thoms (amazing.) Taye Diggs, and Collins (I can't think of the actor's name right now) so during most of the musical numbers, I tuned out so I wouldn't have to hear Rosario's complete lack of vibrato.

Allow me to ask why 'of course' you liked Idina? When you can prove to me that you are better than Rosario and 'lack of vibrato,' then maybe you'll have half of a chance of me listening to you.

"...the grunts of the guy who wrote his 'amazing' song at the end, and the whines of whatshisface with the scarf..."

Please spare me and tell me this whole sentence was typed in your sleep. I would love to hear the details of "the grunts of the guy who wrote his 'amazing' song."
If you are even about to complain about "whathisface with the scarf," you should AT LEAST know his name. And then I, again, would love to hear the whines you are talking about.

"...so this show is probably just too simple for my taste... "
I think this show is TOO COMPLEX for you to comprehend.

[smartpenguin78]

Posted: 12/2/05 at 4:40pm

"One person, one username."