EMMYS 2012- Page 3

[SonofRobbieJ]

Posted: 9/24/12 at 1:50pm

My favorite part of the evening? Jimmy Kimmel. I thought he was understated, and mostly hilarious. I didn't even mind the Dead Jimmy segment.

All of this is very concerning to me, because I generally find Jimmy Kimmel unbearable.

[Mister Matt]

Posted: 9/24/12 at 2:06pm

Missed the broadcast (so perusing the list, I'm looking over the techincal awards as well, which is actually more interesting than the main awards this year), but especially happy about the Game Change/Hatfields & McCoys wins. Really wanted Amy Poehler and Parks & Recreation to win, but definitely okay with Julia Louise Dreyfuss. Baffled by choreography win for Smash over So You think You Can Dance. That was a real shame. The win for John Cryer was pretty bone-headed, though it really wasn't a strong category.

Most interesting win has to go to Original Music and Lyrics for "It's Not Just for Gays Anymore" from the Tonys over "Let Me Be Your Star" from Smash.

What the hell is Special Visual Effects in a Supporting Role?

And who would have thought Memphis would not only win Best Musical, but also an Emmy?

[EricMontreal22]

Posted: 9/24/12 at 3:12pm

"Baffled by choreography win for Smash over So You think You Can Dance."

I certainly didn't mind Smash's choreography, but it was nearly all very standard "Broadway" pastiche. I assume what happened was the Dance nominations canceled each other out? That would be my guess... There may also be some thought from some voters that a scripted show is more deserving than a reality competition?

(I was pissed that Cat didn't win host...)

[Mister Matt]

Posted: 9/24/12 at 3:23pm

I'm really surprised Cat hasn't won host. I like Tom Bergeron okay, but Cat's rapport with both the judges and the contestants is unmatched. She is an absolute gem.

[EricMontreal22]

Posted: 9/24/12 at 3:56pm

Tom is fine, at least Ryan didn't win, but, agreed... I guess for a long time she was completely shut out of the noms, so this is a step up, but she's far and away my fave host of any fo the major reality shows, and everyone I know who watches feels the same way. It may be a weird category--I could see a lot of voters not even really paying attention or watching episodes for the host, but voting more on who they know or have heard of, which would put her at a disavantage.

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 9/24/12 at 8:37pm

Cat was nominated last year too, I'm pretty sure...but agreed, she would be a deserved winner. I'm just happy Ryan Seacrest keeps losing - the man is the devil incarnate. Betty White's nomination in this category was a joke, but then again, the category itself is a bit of a joke.

Tom Bergeron deserved a statuette for working with the incompetent Samantha Harris for all those years.

[strummergirl]

Posted: 9/24/12 at 8:39pm

I've got nothing against Tom Bergeron's win. Seems like a nice enough guy who has been working for years to where he is now. I just wish the Emmys acknowledged the existence of RuPaul's Drag Race.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 9/24/12 at 8:55pm

Most of us figure out how dumb awards shows are by about age 11, but even with that, I have no idea how they create the categories and decide who goes where. I LOVE Julia Louis-Dreyfus and Veep (and her work in Day by Day, Seinfeld, Watching Ellie, and New Christine) and think she might be the best sitcom actress since Mary Tyler Moore. Still, there were eight episodes and it was considered a series. American Horror Story had 12 episodes and was in the Mini-series or Movie category.

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 9/24/12 at 9:26pm

Along with that season 1 "mini series" MISSING. Very strange, indeed.

[Musicaldudepeter]

Posted: 9/25/12 at 6:42am

Fascinating that Julie Bowen won again - shows you how well liked she is. In fairness she was in very tough category - Kathryn Joosten (RIP), Wiig in her last season of SNL, Vergara who everyone likes, and Mayim Bialik who is the new breakout star of Big Bang. Good going Bowen. So happy for her. She's the most underrated star of Modern Family, and is easily the best thing about it.. Comic timing is superb.

[landryjames2]

Posted: 9/25/12 at 1:24pm

FIndingNamo--Absolutely correct about Julia Louis Dreyfuss. I love that you mentioned Day by Day in which she was so hilarious. So happy that she has won at least one Emmy award for each of her three main series (she should have won every year on Seinfeld and Christine--hands down. But at least has won once for each of those series).

[EricMontreal22]

Posted: 9/25/12 at 5:29pm

Jay, you're right, she was nominated last year. And while I don't love Tom, I think he does a genial job, and I have no real objection to his win--I just think Cat is that much better. But I am sure many more voters know who Tom is and watch Stars as well.

And yeah, the categories baffle me. I already discussing supporting/lead which I know is largely politics from following (for way too long) what category certain soap opera actors nominate themselves in for the Daytime Emmys and all the arguments fans go over about that. But yeah, the miniseries thing is daft.

I guess because AHS is more or less an anthology show now, that's why it fits--but I still don't think it should. Downton ran for two years in that category, even though even back in the first season everyone knew it was a series--it was never a miniseries that suddenly went to series.

I have a question--for best show, does the show submit a key episode the way best writer, director, and actor does, or do they try to somehow hope that the voters have watched every episode? I know, again back to soaps, for the Daytime Emmys the soaps submit one key episode for their best soap nomination which often causes shows to do one big budget "event" episode a year to submit (and of course no voter is going to watch the soaps for a full season).

(The SNL nominations confuse me as well, although I thought both were well deserved and I suppose there's nowhere else to place them--and I suppose there's no great way to do it when you have some comedies which are much more traditional sitcoms, some that are much more "dramedies", and some like Glee in past years that are hour shows--but I do get why they're all shoved together).

[strummergirl]

Posted: 9/25/12 at 6:07pm

The TV movie seems to be kind of a dying breed of programming as is the mini-series, at least in American production. You almost expect that more networks and cable shows will try to mask shows that did not get moved to series or pilots just become TV movies put out but not green-it beyond that. FX just put out what was intended to be a John Hawkes vehicle drama series into a minI-series.

With VEEP, the lack of episodes I think was due to budget restraints the network had to give and also that Armando Ianucci is used to far less episodes a season than a dozen with his TV background in the UK. I think there will probably be an uptick in their second season.

As for categories, still baffled Nurse Jackie, especially this season is in the Comedy category, and Shameless is considered a Drama when I think both shows fit the other's distinction better. Is it out of fashion to just switch genres? Moonlighting got away with it.

Updated On: 9/25/12 at 06:07 PM

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 9/25/12 at 8:39pm

Nurse Jackie perhaps might be better suited to the drama categories, but then again Merritt Weaver gives one of the finest comedic and supporting performances on TV right now - so her category was perfect. Shame she didn't win.

[mormonophobic]

Posted: 9/26/12 at 3:01am

Eric, those nominated for Best Series make a set of 3 tapes, each (usually) with two episodes. The voters then get one of these tapes to judge a whole season. Per Gold Derby, this is what was submitted:

Comedy

30 ROCK * Season 6 * NBC
Tape A: "Idiots Are People Two!" & "Idiots Are People Three!"
Tape B: "The Tuxedo Begins" & "St. Patrick's Day"
Tape C: "Meet the Woggels!" & "Murphy Brown Lied to Us"

THE BIG BANG THEORY * Season 5 * CBS
Tape A: "The Hawking Excitation" & "The Countdown Reflection"
Tape B: "The Russian Rocket Reaction" & "The Beta Test Initiation"
Tape C: "The Ornithophobia Diffusion" & "The Shiny Trinket Maneuver"

CURB YOUR ENTHUSIASM * Season 8 * HBO
Tape A: "Vow of Silence" & "The Hero"
Tape B: "Palestinian Chicken" & "Car Periscope"
Tape C: "Mister Softee" & "Larry vs. Michael J. Fox"

GIRLS * Season 1 * HBO
Tape A: "Pilot" & "Vagina Panic"
Tape B: "Hannah's Diary" & "Hard Being Easy"
Tape C: "Leave Me Alone" & "She Did"

MODERN FAMILY * Season 3 * ABC
Tape A: "Door to Door" & "Aunt Mommy"
Tape B: "Leap Day" & "Baby on Board"
Tape C: "Punkin' Chunkin'" & "Egg Drop"

VEEP * Season 1 * HBO
Tape A: "Pilot" & "Catherine"
Tape B: "Nicknames" & "Baseball"
Tape C: "Full Disclosure" & "Tears"

Drama

BOARDWALK EMPIRE * Season 2 * HBO
Tape A: "21" & "Ourselves Alone"
Tape B: "Peg of Old" & "Two Boats and a Lifeguard"
Tape C: "Under God's Power She Flourishes" & "To the Lost"

BREAKING BAD * Season 4 * AMC
Tape A: "Box Cutter" & "Salud"
Tape B: "Problem Dog" & "Crawl Space"
Tape C: "End Times" & "Face Off"

DOWNTON ABBEY * Season 2 * PBS
Tape A: "Episode 1"
Tape B: "Episode 6"
Tape C: "Episode 7"

GAME OF THRONES * Season 2 * HBO
Tape A: "What is Dead May Never Die" & "Garden of Bones"
Tape B: "The Old Gods and the New" & "A Man Without Honor"
Tape C: "Blackwater" & "Valar Morghulis"

HOMELAND * Season 1 * SHOWTIME
Tape A: "Pilot" & "Grace"
Tape B: "The Good Soldier" & "The Weekend"
Tape C: "Marine One"

MAD MEN * Season 5 * AMC
Tape A: "Signal 30" & "Far Away Places"
Tape B: "At the Codfish Ball" & "The Other Woman"
Tape C: "Commissions and Fees" & "The Phantom"

[Mister Matt]

Posted: 9/26/12 at 5:17pm

The TV movie seems to be kind of a dying breed of programming as is the mini-series, at least in American production.

I think that may be true for the major networks, but not for cable. I do think there are the odd cases where a series that failed to get green-lit may be repackaged, but that's surprisingly uncommon.

I wouldn't be too surprised by Downton Abbey being categorized as a miniseries. British series are typically 6-8 episodes and don't air regularly from season to season, so they sort of fall into a grey area. Downton Abbey is receiving the same treatment as Prime Suspect previously did.

[EricMontreal22]

Posted: 9/26/12 at 6:30pm

Mormonophib--thanks so much for the details of the nominations.

Matt, my issue with the miniseries thing is ITV was clear at the time of the nominations as to when the show would be back, and that it was a regular thing. Prime Suspect was a series of one offs. That said, maybe it has to do with being on PBS?

[strummergirl]

Posted: 9/26/12 at 6:37pm

Giancarlo Esposito sent in "Hermanos" to Emmy voters, an episode where for most of the episode he is speaking in Spanish. Although Gus Firing is a native speaker, Esposito is not and I think that maybe it was not wise to send Emmy voters something that had that much subtitles. Aaron Paul chose "End Times" a great episode for Paul that even if you did not watch the show episode to episode, you could feel the betrayal and confusion of Jesse Pinkman.

Mad Men sending in "The Phantom", an episode with some iconic imagery but lackluster based on their standards for a finale, over "Lady Lazarus" or "Mystery Date". Updated On: 9/26/12 at 06:37 PM

[mormonophobic]

Posted: 9/26/12 at 9:38pm

Strummergirl, those were two odd choices for Mad Men. That being said, one of the tapes had "The Other Woman" & "At the Codfish Ball", two of the best episodes of the past season (and IMHO Hendricks should have won Best Supporting Actress for the latter episode).

I was divided between Giancarlo Esposito and Aaron Paul, since they were both so incredible in Season 4. Paul is just so incredible during "End Times" that I'm glad he won. That scene where he confronts Walter is so excellent and worth the award alone.

Although I loved Damien Lewis in Homeland and thought he was quite magnificent in the Season Finale (the episode he submitted), I thought Bryan Cranston would get it again. I know it's sometimes annoying when people get awards again and again, but he submitted "Crawl Space". The last fifteen minutes of that episode contain some of the finest acting the show has seen, and quite possibly the best Cranston has ever been. He goes through practically every emotion in the spectrum and somehow keeps it heartbreaking, real, disturbing, and grounded.

[strummergirl]

Posted: 9/26/12 at 9:44pm

I screwed up, "The Phantom" was the finale that had beautiful moments but felt a bit sporadic. "Dark Shadows" was the Betty episode. Do not care how odd Don's fever dream was in "Mystery Date" or the over-pronounced death anvils in "Lady Lazarus"- I loved both episodes.