Supporting Audra's joke about being raped on-stage.- Page 4
Supporting Audra's joke about being raped on-stage.
#75Supporting Audra's rape joke.
Posted: 6/11/12 at 5:48pm
And I feel rape shouldn't be held to any higher standard than the other bad things that can happen to a person in life. If other things can be trivial, so can rape. As a woman I am tired of this idea that it's the worst thing that can happen to a person and that no one can talk about it. There are a lot of sh*tty things that can happen to people.
JuliesPoolie, I think you make a sophisticated argument above, one that may be too complex for a forum thread. That's not to say you don't have a right to try; and quite frankly I agree with you. There's a fine line between feeling empathy for a rape victim and assuming she is somehow "permanently damaged goods" because she has been attacked in one particular manner. (As for women (or men) who use the term too casually, surely that needs its own thread.)
But if we remove the modifiers, what McDonald said boils down to this: "I love being raped." We all know that's not what she meant, but that's literally what she said.
Whether or not we think that is the worst that can happen to a woman, surely you can understand why some of us felt uncomfortable at the thought as it was expressed.
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phantom8019
Featured Actor Joined: 12/6/05
#76Supporting Audra's rape joke.
Posted: 6/11/12 at 6:00pm
Speaking of rape, I think the year 1992 was raped. Repeatedly.
1992--The film Newsies is released
1992--The film Leap of Faith is released
1992--Crazy for You wins Tony Award for Best Musical
Very odd.
#78Supporting Audra's rape joke.
Posted: 6/11/12 at 6:04pm
GavestonPS, thank you for that well-articulated post. I personally did not feel offended by her remarks but when I heard them, I was a little uncomfortable and knew there would be people who would be upset or offended by what she said.
Clearly, it isn't such a huge deal that Audra should be publicly flogged and have her award rescinded over it, but there isn't anything wrong with having a dialogue about why, maybe, that wasn't the right joke for the moment. Or at least why it could be perceived as a divisive joke.
"Get mad, then get over it." - Colin Powell
#79Supporting Audra's rape joke.
Posted: 6/11/12 at 6:08pm
Kelly, and I get sad when I encounter women who don't trust humanity.
There are sh*tty people in this world. Male AND female.
#80Supporting Audra's rape joke.
Posted: 6/11/12 at 6:10pm
Well, said, Kelly2 and "uncomfortable" is the perfect word to me. I knew McDonald didn't mean any harm and or even to make light of rape.
The good Lord knows I post stupider things all the time and that's even after I've proofread and thought about what I have written!
#81Supporting Audra's rape joke.
Posted: 6/11/12 at 6:12pm
"Kelly, and I get sad when I encounter women who don't trust humanity."
Look around, honey. What is there to trust?
"Get mad, then get over it." - Colin Powell
Phyllis Rogers Stone
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/16/07
#82Supporting Audra's rape joke.
Posted: 6/11/12 at 6:12pmI still want the links for Julie's examples. They sound like some real humdingers!
SporkGoddess
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/27/05
#83Supporting Audra's rape joke.
Posted: 6/11/12 at 7:15pm1 in 4 women will have this happen in their lifetime. I think we have a right not to trust people.
Jimmy, what are you doing here in the middle of the night? It's almost 9 PM!
#84Supporting Audra's rape joke.
Posted: 6/11/12 at 8:28pm
Her exact words are:
"To be in love with Norm Lewis every night, to get raped by Phillip Boykin every night, to snort drugs with David Allen Grier every night, and the enitre company they are filled with light, and soul, and spirit. They move me."
She is not making a joke about rape! She is just talking about the emotional journey that Bess undergoes in each performance. She is simply acknowledging the work her fellow castmates do. Geez!
Get off your high horses and let the woman talk about her character. She does not make light of rape. She does not trivialize it. Instead, she humbly discusses what the other professionals around her contribute to her successful (and now award-winning) performance.
#85Supporting Audra's rape joke.
Posted: 6/11/12 at 8:30pm
And as a woman I do think that there are "50 shades of rape". For ever serious case of molestation there are plenty of girls who merely regret the decisions they've made the night before, "blame the alcohol", or are simply childish in thinking that they can be in a relationship with someone but resent them because they expect to have sex with you. If you never say no to your husband you can't come out 20 years later and say your husband raped you for 20 years because you merely weren't attracted to him.
And this is the culture of victim-blaming I was referring to.
blaxx
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/28/05
#86Supporting Audra's rape joke.
Posted: 6/11/12 at 8:34pm
JuliesPoolie, I think you make a sophisticated argument above, one that may be too complex for a forum thread.
Oh, please...
Listen, I don't take my clothes off for anyone, even if it is "artistic". - JANICE
#87Supporting Audra's rape joke.
Posted: 6/11/12 at 8:35pm
It is problematic if we don't take rape cases seriously and invariably blame the victim, but obviously we should be critical and consider that not everyone tells the truth.
https://www.google.com.au/search?sugexp=chrome,mod=3&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=girl+fake+rape
"You can't overrate Bernadette Peters. She is such a genius. There's a moment in "Too Many Mornings" and Bernadette doing 'I wore green the last time' - It's a voice that is just already given up - it is so sorrowful. Tragic. You can see from that moment the show is going to be headed into such dark territory and it hinges on this tiny throwaway moment of the voice." - Ben Brantley (2022)
"Bernadette's whole, stunning performance [as Rose in Gypsy] galvanized the actors capable of letting loose with her. Bernadette's Rose did take its rightful place, but too late, and unseen by too many who should have seen it" Arthur Laurents (2009)
"Sondheim's own favorite star performances? [Bernadette] Peters in ''Sunday in the Park,'' Lansbury in ''Sweeney Todd'' and ''obviously, Ethel was thrilling in 'Gypsy.'' Nytimes, 2000
#88Supporting Audra's rape joke.
Posted: 6/11/12 at 8:43pm
It's not victim blaming. It's called taking responsibility for the choices you make in life. Choices for the words you use. A young man's (or woman's, it DOES happen both ways) life could be ruined because he and a girl had drunken sex and she decided the next morning she's embarrassed she did it. That's not right. People have to own up to the decisions they make.
I think it's a horrible thing when someone gets pinned down and actually raped when they tell their perpetrator "no". I think it's also horrible when someone's life is ruined because the other party wakes up the next morning regretting the consensual decisions of the night before.
You, alone, are the only one who can tell someone to stop. If you don't tell them, THEY'LL NEVER KNOW AND IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT.
We live in a world where a LOT is covered under the blanket term "rape". The truth of the matter is that not all rapes are the same. And if you find yourself married to someone and have no desire to have sex, you owe it to your partner to get a divorce. You cannot expect someone to live their life not acting on basic animalistic sexual desires because you have weird issues. To expect them not to cheat on you, not to complain about lack of sex, and to not try to make you feel bad for fulfilling their desires is wrong on the most basic levels of humanity.
We live in a sick world where rape "victims" are given the benefit of the doubt over many more serious crimes a lot of the time. Instead the accused being innocent until proven guilty in a lot of rape cases it's actually the opposite. And that's gross.
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Phyllis Rogers Stone
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/16/07
#89Supporting Audra's rape joke.
Posted: 6/11/12 at 8:47pm
We live in a world where a LOT is covered under the blanket term "rape".
Like what?
#90Supporting Audra's rape joke.
Posted: 6/11/12 at 8:49pmIn most courts if a woman was under any influence of alcohol or drugs, even if she gave consent, it is considered rape. That's a lot different than someone getting thrown down in an alley way and pounced upon.
#91Supporting Audra's rape joke.
Posted: 6/11/12 at 8:49pm
"And if you find yourself married to someone and have no desire to have sex, you owe it to your partner to get a divorce. You cannot expect someone to live their life not acting on basic animalistic sexual desires because you have weird issues. To expect them not to cheat on you, not to complain about lack of sex, and to not try to make you feel bad for fulfilling their desires is wrong on the most basic levels of humanity."
...and so, in this situation, raping the person with "weird issues" would be okay? I know I am putting words in your mouth, but I cannot figure out any other way that this scenario is relevant to the discussion being had.
#92Supporting Audra's rape joke.
Posted: 6/11/12 at 8:50pm
Julie, I truly hope you're a troll of some kind but if you're not...MOST violent sexual assaults (including rape) go unreported because the victim is too scared of attacks on their credibility like yours. You're helping to create a societal construct surrounding rape where it is IMPOSSIBLE for a woman to win or to feel safe in trying to press charges or talk about what happened to her.
If there is a small percentage of sexual assaults that fall under the classifications you described (and trust me, I'm sure it's MUCH smaller than you think), is it really fair to assume all women are lying or are in this category before you even hear their story? If a woman says she said no and that she was raped, why should she have to hear from you and every other ignorant moron that she wasn't raped because you said she wasn't? It's bulls**t.
"Get mad, then get over it." - Colin Powell
#93Supporting Audra's rape joke.
Posted: 6/11/12 at 8:51pmIf you tell them no and that you have no intention of having sex with them and then they have sex with you anyway, that is actual rape. To claim that you felt obligated to the sex without ever refusing to do it, to me, is not rape. It's a childish game people play.
#94Supporting Audra's rape joke.
Posted: 6/11/12 at 8:54pm
I'm sorry, but not saying "no" or trying to stop it because you are too scared, to me, is NOT an excuse. How can it be? How can the other party know that act wasn't welcomed???
And yet, many claims of rape involve that exact circumstance.
#95Supporting Audra's rape joke.
Posted: 6/11/12 at 8:54pm
"To claim that you felt obligated to the sex without ever refusing to do it, to me, is not rape. It's a childish game people play."
What people? Are you citing a specific case?
#96Supporting Audra's rape joke.
Posted: 6/11/12 at 8:54pm
Julie,
I'm just wondering how what you're talking about is even relevant. I'm sure I could come up with a thousand scenarios that "aren't murder". Still, if someone says a murder occurred we should treat it like it is fact until there is reason to believe it isn't, not the other way around.
"Get mad, then get over it." - Colin Powell
#97Supporting Audra's rape joke.
Posted: 6/11/12 at 8:55pmExcept the law states that one is innocent until proven guilty. That's how our legal system works. Unless it involves rape. That's unfair.
#98Supporting Audra's rape joke.
Posted: 6/11/12 at 8:58pm
The press is not abuzz with any Audra controversy. This may only be an issue with this board.
Julies....you're starting to scare me.
"Through The Sacrifice You Made, We Can't Believe The Price You Paid..For Love!"
#99Supporting Audra's rape joke.
Posted: 6/11/12 at 9:08pm
Uh, yes. No one is declared GUILTY. But we don't assume the victim is a LIAR without any reason to do so either.
You're either a troll or a complete moron with a fundamental misunderstanding of the justice system.
"Get mad, then get over it." - Colin Powell
#100Supporting Audra's rape joke.
Posted: 6/11/12 at 9:17pm
Just read this. A girl decided never to tell her partner she didn't want to have sex with him. In fact, she said yes, even though she didn't want to. Read the comments from people. To expect him to read her mind is just ridiculous. Women need to own up to their own choices. She had every right to say "no" on various occasions. He claims if she had he would have never taken advantage of her. However, in the aftermath, he feels like he raped her. And in the comments people agree that he did because he should have known she didn't want to do it.
http://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/the-accidental-rapist/
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