What if the PrEP advocates were ... right?

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 9/3/15 at 9:44am

A real world study of mostly men who have sex with men (99%) showed that in 2.5 years, among those who took Truvada as prophylaxis for prevention of HIV transmission, exactly ZERO of them became infected.

 

This bodes well for the possibility of Getting to Zero new infections, as the campaign is called.

 

http://www.hivplusmag.com/treatment/prevention/2015/09/02/exactly-zero-men-prep-contract-hiv-25-year-study?team=social&utm_content=19884700&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook

[Kad]

Posted: 9/3/15 at 10:04am

But but but they're COWARDS. Larry Kramer yelled at me saying so!

[tazber]

Posted: 9/3/15 at 10:11am

Larry Kramer yells at everybody for everything.

 

He's the After Eight of gay activism.

[SonofRobbieJ]

Posted: 9/3/15 at 10:12am

I'm STILL having to justify my usage of Truvada.  Just last week, I was out with two friends.  One was saying he needed to get on PrEP (and I agreed, knowing his history), and the other started to freak out about it.  His problem, though, was somewhat understandable.  He doesn't want to take the drug and doesn't want to give up condoms.  But he's noticing that more and more people who are on PrEP and being very open about not wanting to use condoms, and he's not sure how to navigate this.  

[Kad]

Posted: 9/3/15 at 10:30am

I'm disappointed to hear that your friend is seeing more people use PrEP as an excuse to bareback- after all, it does nothing to prevent other very common STDs. "Being safe" does't just mean against HIV.

I live in Harlem, and there is a LOT of push for PrEP up there- posters and stuff, directed toward the black and latino communities, both gay and straight. I wonder if it's had a measureable effect.

Updated On: 9/3/15 at 10:30 AM

[SonofRobbieJ]

Posted: 9/3/15 at 10:47am

True.  I will say the one time I got an STI (apparently it's overshare day here at BWW), it didn't involve any kind of back-door lovin', so one is still susceptible to stuff, even if they use condoms for anal sex.

What I don't quite get, if what said is actually the case, is people weeding out potential sex partners because they *want* to wear a condom.  I say, 'You do you.'  I don't judge what people are doing if they're being responsible.  And I consider being on Truvada responsible in the way that condoms are.  But if a partner is asking you to wear a condom (or that he wears a condom while f*cking you), how do you say no to that?  Or try to make the other person feel bad about that choice?  In this new world where not eveyone is on PrEP, the default should be to be accommodating to the person that isn't on the drug.  

[SonofRobbieJ]

Posted: 9/3/15 at 10:47am

How did I double-post?  This f*cking work computer...I swear to God.  

Updated On: 9/3/15 at 10:47 AM

[PalJoey]

Posted: 9/3/15 at 11:13am

 

Does anyone STILL object to PrEP?

 

Seriously, I haven't heard a strong anti-PrEP argument in a year or so.

 

 

Updated On: 9/3/15 at 11:13 AM

[SonofRobbieJ]

Posted: 9/3/15 at 11:17am

Well...besides the Lady Quinto?  I haven't heard much in the media about it.  But personal one-on-one interactions?  All the time.  

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 9/3/15 at 11:24am

Don't engage baby troll.  It's not worth it. 

[haterobics]

Posted: 9/3/15 at 11:35am

PalJoey said: "Seriously, I haven't heard a strong anti-PrEP argument in a year or so."

 

I don't want to take a pill every day that reminds me of how unnecessary it is that I'm taking it, based on how little I am giving it anything to fight against?

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 9/3/15 at 11:39am

I think I understand the guy's issue, Robbie.  If more and more people are on PrEP and a percentage of them (44% in the study) aren't using condoms, it could feel like tge playing field is becoming completely not level. 

 

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 9/3/15 at 11:41am

He could be perceiving a shift in community norms that is slowly giving the advantage to unprotected sex. 

[SonofRobbieJ]

Posted: 9/3/15 at 11:44am

Yes...which is why I have way more sympathy for him and his issue than the clucking c*nts who give me side-eye because they're all in 'monogamous' relationships.  Though, I think I've done a decent job of explaining to them my reasoning.  But still...why should I have to?

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 9/3/15 at 11:47am

True.  I will say the one time I got an STI (apparently it's overshare day here at BWW), it didn't involve any kind of back-door lovin

Me too!

 

[SonofRobbieJ]

Posted: 9/3/15 at 11:49am

Gonno-Twinsies!

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 9/3/15 at 11:52am

Yes

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 9/3/15 at 12:01pm

Here's a convenient series of STD fact sheets that will be helpful for people to learn about issues not related to this PrEP study. 

 

http://www.cdc.gov/std/healthcomm/fact_sheets.htm

 

Since judgmentalism is counter productive to disease prevention, perhaps we can put an end to side discussions with incendiary language for the rest of this thread?

Updated On: 9/3/15 at 12:01 PM

[SweetLips]

Posted: 9/3/15 at 3:09pm

The more he posts[Sillypilly] the more he astounds me with his ignorance[sexual]. We now know he is an uncut gay boy who fcuks without a condom because his boyfriend is 'clean'.

Life is a process of learning and in my day we learnt by practical experience-yes--I got rid of crabs with a can of Mortein. We didn't have a message board to get information-we shared amongst friends and the family Doctor.

The thought that this child is even HAVING sex let alone not knowing when to piss-and this is the new generation-God[whoever] help us all.

Updated On: 9/3/15 at 03:09 PM

[PalJoey]

Posted: 9/3/15 at 3:12pm

 

SweetLips--I think the plan is to ignore him. It's not ignorance--it's trolling for indignant responses. You just fell into his trap. Would you mind erasing your post and joining us in ignoring him?

 

 

 

 

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 9/3/15 at 4:18pm

I provided links to the CDC for you, pp, if your lack of knowledge is sincere.

 

I was wondering if people with an investment in talking about or learning about PrEP, in light of these research results, could possibly get back to discussing that?

[SonofRobbieJ]

Posted: 9/3/15 at 4:44pm

One thing that is important to note is that I need to be tested every three months to make sure my liver is processing the drug correctly, as well as to screen for all STDs.  I assume this is protocol for all people on PrEP.  That's far more often than I usually get tested for STIs.  

 

I'll be honest (seriously, someone stop me) and say that one of the reasons I decided to go on PrEP is that I found myself topping more and more with people who were on PrEP and didn't want me to use a condom.  I was fine with that risk, but realized that I needed to be far more proactive than just relying on someone else's word.  I also find myself far more comfortable swallowing now that I'm on PrEP.  I still use condoms as well.  I also feel more comfortable being with someone HIV+.  Truthfully, I didn't have much concern when I was with HIV+ men before, but the more protection available, the better.

 

Have I said too much?  There's nothing more I can think of to say to you.

Updated On: 9/3/15 at 04:44 PM

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 9/3/15 at 4:56pm

Our Behavioral Venn Diagrams have significant overlap, and yes, I DO expect that fact to come flying back at me in some unrelated deranged headbanned's tirade.  The research study points out that it's impossible to know if this is an actual uptick of some STDs among some PrEP users or just what would happen normally in any random group not on PrEP.

 

I've heard PrEP with condom use described as "belt AND suspenders," which, let's face it, calls to mind some filthy hot lederhosen sex.

Updated On: 9/3/15 at 04:56 PM

[Mister Matt]

Posted: 9/3/15 at 5:07pm

There's nothing more I can think of to say to you.

 

Bitch, please.  Even when she sang that, we all knew it was a lie.  It was the beginning of the second act!

[SweetLips]

Posted: 9/3/15 at 6:37pm

PalJoey said: " 

 

SweetLips--I think the plan is to ignore him. It's not ignorance--it's trolling for indignant responses. You just fell into his trap. Would you mind erasing your post and joining us in ignoring him?

PJ you are the most respected member here[my observation] and note your response but sometimes I just can't resist to bite back. Occasionally you just want to slap someone, so this is my passive aggressive response to stupidity.

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