US Launches Military Strike on Syria

[BroadwayRox3588]

Posted: 4/6/17 at 10:00pm

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/06/politics/donald-trump-syria-military/index.html?adkey=bn

[PalJoey]

Posted: 4/6/17 at 10:15pm

 

Distinguished conservative Charles Krauthammmer immediately blasted Trump on Fox News for instigating Assad's gas attack and then reacting irrationally.

In Krauthammer's nuanced view, whether this bombing succeeds or fails, for Trump to make a 180-degree change in mind about regime change in Syria demonstrates his instability:

 

THE BLAZE: Krauthammer says Trump admin invited Assad’s ‘arrogant aggression’

 

[haterobics]

Posted: 4/7/17 at 9:07am

A nice compilation of his old tweets: https://www.rt.com/usa/383834-trump-syria-strike-old-tweets/

[PalJoey]

Posted: 4/7/17 at 10:29am

 

"I was against it before I was for it."

 

[BroadwayConcierge]

Posted: 4/7/17 at 11:15am

PalJoey said: ""I was against it before I was for it.""

Is that what Hillary said about her stance on same-sex marriage?

[kdogg36]

Posted: 4/7/17 at 11:26am

BroadwayConcierge said: "Is that what Hillary said about her stance on same-sex marriage?"

She's not president and that issue is settled, so that's not terribly relevant. I did note in another thread that she and Trump are on the same page regarding illegal warfare in Syria. Do you care to address Trump's apparent cognitive dissonance on this issue? Was he wrong then or is he wrong now? (The correct answer is that he's wrong now.)



 

 

[PalJoey]

Posted: 4/7/17 at 12:18pm

 

Is that what Hillary said about her stance on same-sex marriage?

 

But-but-but-HILLARY!

 

[dented146]

Posted: 4/7/17 at 4:26pm

This is exactly what Obama should have done years before Russia was a huge presence and Obama decleared his red line. Obama pondered. He searched. his soul. He did everything but act! I'm the meantime Iran became bolder, Russia became an open Assad ally. Years later we have a complete idiot as President but, at least, his people know right from wrong and more importantly, they understand how to use power. Hundreds of thousands have been murdered and millions have left. Can't wait to see how this shakes out.

[Mister Matt]

Posted: 4/7/17 at 4:50pm

PalJoey said: ""I was against it before I was for it.""

Is that what Hillary said about her stance on same-sex marriage?

 

[kdogg36]

Posted: 4/7/17 at 5:03pm

dented146 said: "they understand how to use power."

No. If they did, they'd know that US military power shouldn't be used to intervene in another country's civil war.

 

[mikey2573]

Posted: 4/7/17 at 5:10pm

While I agree with Pres. Trump's statement that "No child of God should ever have to suffer such horror",  I am still not sure what I think of last night's bombing. I would have felt a lot more comfortable had he gotten Congressional approval.

[SNAFU]

Posted: 4/7/17 at 5:23pm

Why should he have to do that? He supposedly got Putin's approval.

 

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 4/7/17 at 6:36pm

"No child of God should ever have to suffer such horror",

Trump didn't give a crap about those "children of God" when he was banning Syrian refugees.

 

[UncleCharlie]

Posted: 4/7/17 at 7:29pm

kdogg36 said: "dented146 said: "they understand how to use power."

No. If they did, they'd know that US military power shouldn't be used to intervene in another country's civil war.

When actions taken during a civil war rise to the level of war crimes, violate international law and involve killing civilians who are not party to the civil war in the most inhumane way possible, the world has an obligation to act and not allow this type of depraved behavior to continue with impunity. There are millions and millions buried all across Europe, Asia, Africa and South America who if they could rise from their graves, would simple ask "You knew what was happening. How could you just stand by and turn away".

 

Updated On: 4/7/17 at 07:29 PM

[Call_me_jorge]

Posted: 4/7/17 at 8:47pm

kdogg36 said: "BroadwayConcierge said: "Is that what Hillary said about her stance on same-sex marriage?"

She's not president and that issue is settled, so that's not terribly relevant. I did note in another thread that she and Trump are on the same page regarding illegal warfare in Syria. Do you care to address Trump's apparent cognitive dissonance on this issue? Was he wrong then or is he wrong now? (The correct answer is that he's wrong now.)



 

 

 

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I thought the president has unlimited actions over the military until they decide to put boots on the ground, it's only until then when they need to get the permission of congress. 

[kdogg36]

Posted: 4/7/17 at 9:04pm

It find it really disturbing that so many anti-Trump folks find this to be the first thing he's done that they support. Sickening, really.

[kdogg36]

Posted: 4/7/17 at 9:07pm

UncleCharlie said: "When actions taken during a civil war rise to the level of war crimes, violate international law and involve killing civilians who are not party to the civil war in the most inhumane way possible, the world has an obligation to act and not allow this type of depraved behavior to continue with impunity."

What about Trump's attack on Mosul, which apparently killed far more innocent civilians than Assad's attack? What should the world's response be to that?

 


 

Updated On: 4/7/17 at 09:07 PM

[UncleCharlie]

Posted: 4/7/17 at 10:03pm

kdogg36 said: "UncleCharlie said: "When actions taken during a civil war rise to the level of war crimes, violate international law and involve killing civilians who are not party to the civil war in the most inhumane way possible, the world has an obligation to act and not allow this type of depraved behavior to continue with impunity."

What about Trump's attack on Mosul, which apparently killed far more innocent civilians than Assad's attack? What should the world's response be to that?

 
If it could be shown he intentionally targeted civilians, then he should certainly be held accountable. But being part of a coalition in conjunction with the Iraqi military to push ISIS out Mosul and having reports that ISIS herded civilians into homes, planted explosives in those homes and then used them to fire at Iraqi troops to place those civilians in harm's way and increase their casualties is for me at least, a lot different than using prohibited chemicals and gasses on a bombing run that appeared to have no other objective than to target civilians.  Civilian loss of life in military operations is tragic regardless of the circumstances but I would hope you can see a distinction. I would also hope you give the Russians and Iranians a call to share with them your thoughts and viewpoints about intervening in another country's civil war.

 

 

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Updated On: 4/7/17 at 10:03 PM

[PalJoey]

Posted: 4/7/17 at 10:45pm

 

I call fraud.

A friend posted:

 

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Trump pokes some holes in a single airfield. Russia gets fake angry.

Trump points to Russia's anger as proof that Putin didn't want him to win the election 6 months in the past. The two sides resolve their difference and retreat back to their respective April 5th pre-Sarin gas-like attack.

Trump gets propaganda cover for Russia's meddling. Russia has an excuse to put more advanced anti-aircraft / anti-missile tech inside Syria. And all it cost was the horrifically gruesome deaths of about 60 innocent civilians and possibly six soldiers.

In the end Assad is out one runway but gains a stronger Russian presence in the country. Trump bolsters his claim that he isn't weak on terrorism (or something) and Putin continues to control Syria. 

I think for demagogues like Putin, Assad, and Trump...this was a financially sound transaction.

[CarlosAlberto]

Posted: 4/8/17 at 12:05am

 

Updated On: 4/8/17 at 12:05 AM

[kdogg36]

Posted: 4/8/17 at 5:54am

UncleCharlie said: "Civilian loss of life in military operations is tragic regardless of the circumstances but I would hope you can see a distinction."

All of the violence in Iraq is a result of a war of aggression that the US had no business staring in the first place, so, no, I see nothing really exculpatory in your defense of US violence there.

"I would also hope you give the Russians and Iranians a call to share with them your thoughts and viewpoints about intervening in another country's civil war."

I've never called Obama or Trump about it, so I'm not sure why I'd call some random Russian or Iranian person.

 

 

[UncleCharlie]

Posted: 4/8/17 at 2:54pm

kdogg36 said: "UncleCharlie said: "Civilian loss of life in military operations is tragic regardless of the circumstances but I would hope you can see a distinction."

All of the violence in Iraq is a result of a war of aggression that the US had no business staring in the first place, so, no, I see nothing really exculpatory in your defense of US violence there.

"I would also hope you give the Russians and Iranians a call to share with them your thoughts and viewpoints about intervening in another country's civil war."

I've never called Obama or Trump about it, so I'm not sure why I'd call some random Russian or Iranian person.

 

If you can't see the difference between those 2, there's clearly little point in continuing this discussion, though considering some of your other comments, I'm really not surprised. Some people believe the world community has a responsibility for taking action to stop humanitarian atrocities and some believe as long as it's not in their country, "hey, not my problem". I won't specifically state my reaction to those that fall in the latter category but it's roughly equivalent to your above stated reaction to anti-Trump folks.

 

[BeadleDeedle]

Posted: 4/8/17 at 3:17pm

Uncle Charlie, how did this action have any impact on stopping humanitarian atrocities? A practically empty airfield was bombed and according to reports it was used again within days. I don't understand supporting this action other than liking that something was bombed. 

[kdogg36]

Posted: 4/9/17 at 10:25am

UncleCharlie said: "Some people believe the world community has a responsibility for taking action to stop humanitarian atrocities and some believe as long as it's not in their country, "hey, not my problem". I won't specifically state my reaction to those that fall in the latter category but it's roughly equivalent to your above stated reaction to anti-Trump folks."

I agree that this particular back-and-forth has probably run its course, but I just want to clarify that I don't have a "not my problem" attitude about this. I think the US should open up its doors to all refugees from afflicted countries; they are welcome to be my neighbors. I just don't think more violence is the answer.

 

[South Florida]

Posted: 4/9/17 at 12:10pm

Nikki Haley said on MTP today that Trump and Mattis had conducted a "rock star performance."

Oh brother.