Seesaw and The Rink

nsguy45
Understudy
joined:1/7/13
Seesaw and The Rink
Posted: 3/13/14 at 03:33pm
Why have neither been revived on Broadway?
Mr Roxy
Broadway Legend
joined:5/17/03
Seesaw and The Rink
Posted: 3/13/14 at 03:55pm
The Rink would be good @ Encores
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brdway411
Broadway Star
joined:2/24/14
Seesaw and The Rink
Posted: 3/13/14 at 03:58pm
I saw a production of The Rink in Bucks County, PA about 20 years ago. Don't remember a lot about the story but I do recall enjoying it.

Would like to see it at Encores.
brdway411
Broadway Star
joined:2/24/14
Seesaw and The Rink
Posted: 3/13/14 at 03:58pm
I saw a production of The Rink in Bucks County, PA about 20 years ago. Don't remember a lot about the story but I do recall enjoying it.

Would like to see it at Encores.
After Eight
Broadway Legend
joined:6/5/09
Seesaw and The Rink
Posted: 3/13/14 at 04:01pm
Neither was particularly successful when they first opened; I don't see their chances for success being any greater now.

Seesaw was entertaining enough; The Rink less so. The latter did have a number of good songs, though.
sabrelady
Broadway Legend
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Seesaw and The Rink
Posted: 3/13/14 at 04:05pm
I liked the score for "the Rink" and enjoyed the performances. It is a bit dated w its counter culture bit (all the children in a row). Liked how it at least acknowledged a mature woman having a sexual life. & Jason Alexander on roller skates!
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CarlosAlberto
Broadway Legend
joined:6/29/10
Seesaw and The Rink
Posted: 3/13/14 at 04:12pm
I would love to see both done by Encores!

Especially Seesaw.
PalJoey
Broadway Legend
joined:3/11/04
Seesaw and The Rink
Posted: 3/13/14 at 04:22pm


The Rink would be tough for Encores because there probably couldn't be much roller-skating. The title song would be disappointing if the cast were simply walking around in circles.

But I would kill to see Seesaw again!

yr pal,
joey




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EricMontreal22
Broadway Legend
joined:10/31/11
Seesaw and The Rink
Posted: 3/13/14 at 05:01pm
Seesaw is ideal for Encores I think. Showy roles, a really strong score, and a production that probably made what was, as a play, an intimate drama into an overblown production. Tommy Tune could restage It's Not Where you Start choreography (my grandma used to go to New York every few years, and she remembered next to nothing about SeeSaw except for how brilliant she found "the balloon dance.")
Mr. Nowack
Broadway Star
joined:2/2/14
Seesaw and The Rink
Posted: 3/13/14 at 07:57pm
I've never heard THE RINK, but I absolutely love the score to SEESAW. Those brassy orchestrations are so great, and the songs are wonderful too. I really like Michele Lee's voice on the album, but I've always wondered how Lainie Kazan was.
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DAME
Broadway Legend
joined:4/15/04
Seesaw and The Rink
Posted: 3/13/14 at 08:02pm
Both would be great. The Rink would need a major book overhaul.
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GavestonPS
Broadway Legend
joined:6/10/12
Seesaw and The Rink
Posted: 3/13/14 at 08:06pm
I love the score to SEESAW and have listened to the score a dozen times just in the past couple of weeks. (New download.)

But it's an awkward mishmash of the original, intimate story arbitrarily blown up in to a big, Broadway musical.

i didn't know Lainie Kazan had done it, but I would love to hear or see that! I saw her in concert a couple of years ago and was absolutely blown away!

***

As for THE RINK, I don't know what it is about that show, but i saw it with the original leads and have almost no memory of it except that "The Apple Doesn't Fall Far from the Tree" was pretty funny.

EricMontreal22
Broadway Legend
joined:10/31/11
Seesaw and The Rink
Posted: 3/13/14 at 08:17pm
Totally agreed, Gaveston, as I said.

You don`t know the huge behind the scenes drama of the show? When Michael Bennett came in out of town and they basically rewrote the whole thing, he fired the leading lady--Lainie. He thought she was too fat to play a dancer, and was not very nice about how he handled it.
nsguy45
Understudy
joined:1/7/13
Seesaw and The Rink
Posted: 3/14/14 at 02:47am
Saw The Rink on Broadway and the national tour of Seesaw in Boston, with Lucie Arnaz, John Gavin and Tommy Tune. Added bonus was sitting two rows behind Lucille Ball, who had flown to Boston to see her daughter perform.
Jon
Broadway Legend
joined:2/20/04
Seesaw and The Rink
Posted: 3/14/14 at 05:26am
Re: THE RINK -
First of all: there is a revised script that removes all the dated topical references. "All the Children..." has a completely new lyric. No longer a hippie anthem, it's now a song about Angel traveling the country looking for her father. Also all references to the father having fought in Korea are gone, a line about "that peanut farmer in the White House', etc., are gone. It could still be played as taking place in the 70's, with flashbacks to the 50's, but it could just as easily be set in the present.

Second: There is only ONE number with roller skating - the title song. It involves the six men. The revised version deletes the flashback in which we see the father skating with the little girl (young Angel). The two leading ladies never skated in either version.
Someone in a Tree2
Broadway Star
joined:10/9/12
Seesaw and The Rink
Posted: 3/14/14 at 07:02am
I also saw the touring company of Seesaw with Lucie Arnaz--a very hollow mashup for me of slam-bang showbiz and an annoying love story of opposites (that never made me root for them to stay together). Eh--

I absolutely ADORED the original production of The Rink, however. Saw it 4 times and never understood how it didn't find an audience. Thought the libretto was completely original and completely affecting-- and the score had me in tears at several points, especially ALL THE CHILDREN IN A ROW. Maybe it's my age (57 now), but that show spoke to me from the minute Liza lumbered out onto the apron with her stupid backpack and began singing COLORED LIGHTS. A masterpiece in my book that deserves a full revival with Peter Larkin's spectacular set intact.
alterego
Broadway Legend
joined:6/5/03
Seesaw and The Rink
Posted: 3/15/14 at 06:56am
I like SEESAW. I remember how The New Yorker summed up the show " Another sweetly charitable view of New York". That might give us an idea of why it hasn't had a revival.

On the subject of revivals - why have we never seen a revival of RAISIN ? It ran a few years and has one of the best cast albums ever recorded. RAISIN IN THE SUN seems revived about every 5 years but no RAISIN, why?
EricMontreal22
Broadway Legend
joined:10/31/11
Seesaw and The Rink
Posted: 3/19/14 at 01:41pm
Well, the name "Raisin" itself may be part of the problem. Oy...
ray-andallthatjazz86
Broadway Legend
joined:8/2/05
Seesaw and The Rink
Posted: 3/19/14 at 03:12pm
Seriously! What an awful title, they might as well have titled it "RAISIN!"

I adore the SEESAW cast recording. Michele Lee does a spectacular job singing the role, and while I think it's a bit clumsy and kind of not that good of a whow, it seems like the perfect fit for Encores! I love the big solo Lee has at the end as well as "Holiday Inn" and "Nobody Does It Like Me."
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GavestonPS
Broadway Legend
joined:6/10/12
Seesaw and The Rink
Posted: 3/19/14 at 04:42pm
Eric, no, I didn't know the gossip on SEESAW. Thanks for the info.
DAME
Broadway Legend
joined:4/15/04
Seesaw and The Rink
Posted: 3/19/14 at 05:04pm
That new "version" of The Rink does not work. Also.. it had a very good audience when it was a star vehicle. But the show was badly hurt amid all the publicity of Liza leaving early to go to rehab. Unfortunately Stockard Channing was awful and word quickly spread.
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theatregeek6
Leading Actor
joined:6/19/13
Seesaw and The Rink
Posted: 3/19/14 at 06:48pm
Seesaw is an all time favorite. I would love I see what someone like Diane Paulus could do with it -
It is SO New York 1970 Times Square sleeve. But with creative direction and a real belter in the Gittle role (Orfeh anyone?) I would absolutely go see it

Mr. Nowack
Broadway Star
joined:2/2/14
Seesaw and The Rink
Posted: 3/19/14 at 07:10pm
Remember when SMASH cast Kate Baldwin in a fake revival of SEESAW?
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ray-andallthatjazz86
Broadway Legend
joined:8/2/05
Seesaw and The Rink
Posted: 3/19/14 at 07:43pm
Yet another reason why SMASH was a mess, Baldwin is great but she'd be so miscast as Gittle. I was thinking of someone along the lines of Sherie Rene Scott; though she probably wouldn't fit the actual script, she'd be great in a concert version. Also, Laura Benanti would be hilarious and has a long history with Encores!
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EricMontreal22
Broadway Legend
joined:10/31/11
Seesaw and The Rink
Posted: 3/19/14 at 08:30pm
Agreed completely Ray. I also love Poor Everybody Else, which of course was written by the same team for Sweet Charity, but reportedly as a dance number fairly late in the show Gwen Verdon had trouble with all the long notes so they replaced it with Brass Band.
morosco
Broadway Legend
joined:7/10/04
Seesaw and The Rink
Posted: 4/11/14 at 07:00pm

The basic set for the show.


The amazing transformation at the end of the show. Where did it all go?

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