If/then vs. Violet

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#25If/then vs. Violet
Posted: 5/19/14 at 5:48pm

Her character gas a large gash over her face due to a childhood accident. While Foster wears no makeup, she does not actually show the gash on her face during the show. It is implied that she is disfigured throughout, especially if watch how she manages her hair to cover the "scar'.

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#26If/then vs. Violet
Posted: 5/19/14 at 5:49pm

I don't know Violet so apologies if this sounds silly but doesn't the lead have a disfigured face? It's probably more plausible that guys would be throwing themselves at Idina Menzel's Elizabeth - she's hot, funny and intelligent.

the character does (though it is not illustrated literally with the use of makeup), but the attraction to her is precisely the theme of the show. The way it is presented is plausible because it's not quite so simplistic as "two guys fall for a disfigured girl".


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#27If/then vs. Violet
Posted: 5/19/14 at 7:20pm

Sorry by lead I did mean leading role. Sutton Ross having seen Sutton Foster in multiple shows, on TV and in photos I do know what she looks like lol.

Thanks for the info re:plausible.


"You can't overrate Bernadette Peters. She is such a genius. There's a moment in "Too Many Mornings" and Bernadette doing 'I wore green the last time' - It's a voice that is just already given up - it is so sorrowful. Tragic. You can see from that moment the show is going to be headed into such dark territory and it hinges on this tiny throwaway moment of the voice." - Ben Brantley (2022) "Bernadette's whole, stunning performance [as Rose in Gypsy] galvanized the actors capable of letting loose with her. Bernadette's Rose did take its rightful place, but too late, and unseen by too many who should have seen it" Arthur Laurents (2009) "Sondheim's own favorite star performances? [Bernadette] Peters in ''Sunday in the Park,'' Lansbury in ''Sweeney Todd'' and ''obviously, Ethel was thrilling in 'Gypsy.'' Nytimes, 2000
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#28If/then vs. Violet
Posted: 5/19/14 at 7:40pm

Interestingly enough, I thought Violet was WORLDS better than If/Then. Like day-and-night better. I thought Idina Menzel's performance was incredibly amateurish. I felt like she was acting her scenes well, but as soon as it came time to sing all her acting choices became parallel gestures and obvious choices. Honestly, the only performances I thoroughly enjoyed were the soldier's and the assistant's. It felt like the follow up to Rent after Disney's gentrification of NYC as produced by Ryan Murphy. Surely, I can't be the only one who feels this way. Anyone else out there?

Violet on the other hand: while I admit I had a soft spot for this show and it's music before going in, Sutton Foster is undeniably showing us she is capable of playing a role with some true emotional depth to it and Josh Henry sings BEAUTIFULLY. And Colin Donnell...well, he doesn't just look great in that uniform. If/then vs. Violet

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#29If/then vs. Violet
Posted: 5/19/14 at 8:02pm

I think she meant Sutton Foster in the show? Updated On: 5/19/14 at 08:02 PM

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#30If/then vs. Violet
Posted: 5/19/14 at 8:09pm

qolbinau, yeah since Violet is going on right now, I was simply saying that her, in the show, wasn't scarred or disfigured. So, I have no clue where your re: plausible thing comes in but....whatever.

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#31If/then vs. Violet
Posted: 5/19/14 at 10:48pm

I'm a HUGE Sutton Foster fan but I found Violet disappointing. The ending was not at all fulfilling - could have been much better. Overall, I think the show is kind of a downer though it does have a few laughs.

If/Then - while not perfect, its worth seeing just for the some of Idina's 2nd act numbers. I found it more emotionally moving than Violet.

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#32If/then vs. Violet
Posted: 5/20/14 at 4:46am

"qolbinau, yeah since Violet is going on right now, I was simply saying that her, in the show, wasn't scarred or disfigured. So, I have no clue where your re: plausible thing comes in but....whatever"

Comden Green mentioned that he didn't buy two men could be fighting over Violet shortly after meeting her. Bettyboy72 responded surprised because Comden Green seemed to think the two men falling over Elizabeth in If/Then was not plausible given how "dour" and "self-involved" Elizabeth is.

I responded that the major difference between Violet and Elizabeth is that while Elizabeth is hot, Violet is disfigured. so it is more plausible to me that men could be throwing themselves over Elizabeth and not Violet. Now, obviously Sutton Foster is not disfigured or (arguably) ugly. But this isn't about her, it's about the character she is playing. In the eyes of the other characters in Violet, Sutton Foster's character is disfigured. How Sutton Foster actually looks doesn't matter. Clearly they are going for an (interesting) artistic choice not to visually represent her disfigurement. Is this clearer?


"You can't overrate Bernadette Peters. She is such a genius. There's a moment in "Too Many Mornings" and Bernadette doing 'I wore green the last time' - It's a voice that is just already given up - it is so sorrowful. Tragic. You can see from that moment the show is going to be headed into such dark territory and it hinges on this tiny throwaway moment of the voice." - Ben Brantley (2022) "Bernadette's whole, stunning performance [as Rose in Gypsy] galvanized the actors capable of letting loose with her. Bernadette's Rose did take its rightful place, but too late, and unseen by too many who should have seen it" Arthur Laurents (2009) "Sondheim's own favorite star performances? [Bernadette] Peters in ''Sunday in the Park,'' Lansbury in ''Sweeney Todd'' and ''obviously, Ethel was thrilling in 'Gypsy.'' Nytimes, 2000

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#33If/then vs. Violet
Posted: 5/20/14 at 6:39am

"I responded that the major difference between Violet and Elizabeth is that while Elizabeth is hot, Violet is disfigured. so it is more plausible to me that men could be throwing themselves over Elizabeth and not Violet"

Isn't it a big factor of the show that the soldiers have seen a hell of a lot worse than Violet when it comes to disfigurements at war? So how 'hot' she is isn't actually that much of a factor?

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#34If/then vs. Violet
Posted: 5/20/14 at 6:51am

I have no idea - as I prefaced with my comments I don't know the show. From your information and information others posted it seems that it may indeed be plausible, thanks.


"You can't overrate Bernadette Peters. She is such a genius. There's a moment in "Too Many Mornings" and Bernadette doing 'I wore green the last time' - It's a voice that is just already given up - it is so sorrowful. Tragic. You can see from that moment the show is going to be headed into such dark territory and it hinges on this tiny throwaway moment of the voice." - Ben Brantley (2022) "Bernadette's whole, stunning performance [as Rose in Gypsy] galvanized the actors capable of letting loose with her. Bernadette's Rose did take its rightful place, but too late, and unseen by too many who should have seen it" Arthur Laurents (2009) "Sondheim's own favorite star performances? [Bernadette] Peters in ''Sunday in the Park,'' Lansbury in ''Sweeney Todd'' and ''obviously, Ethel was thrilling in 'Gypsy.'' Nytimes, 2000