CLOVERFIELD and 9/11 imagery- Page 4

[DaneSaw]

Posted: 1/9/08 at 4:51pm

I really don't see why people are up in arms about this movie. New York is considered the center of the modern world for a lot of people and is the most recognizable city in the world. Filmmakers have been using New York as fodder for Japanese monsters, giant apes, earthquakes, floods, blizzards, and alien attacks since the dawn of filmmaking. Why should they lay off because of something that happened almost 10 years ago that's completely unrelated? It's a movie in vain of Godzilla, hardly anything to get all worked up about.

I think Hollywood HAS gone fairly easy on New York City since 9/11, considering the fact that the first movie about Pearl Harbor started production only a handfull of months after it was attacked...

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 1/9/08 at 5:14pm

well, I wasn't addressing those who were criticizing the poster or the trailer, I was addressing those who went so far as to criticize a film they have yet to see.

And, I LOVE you, robbie, but I don't think it's accurate to act like we all sat safely outside nyc watching our tvs while nyc (and DC and PA) dealt with that day. We ALL were freaked that there would be more attacks--especially those of us in Houston, LA, Chicago. it wasn't like Katrina where the immediate event and threat was isolated.

I don't belittle that the day was more harrowing for New Yorkers, but I wish people would stop belittling those of us around the country who did not know what was coming next.

[TheatreDiva90016]

Posted: 1/9/08 at 5:42pm

"We ALL were freaked that there would be more attacks"

Very true! My partner works in the Capitol Records Tower and I made him stay home from work that day, just because of the fact that it's one of the few iconic towers in LA and it probaly is still a target.

[nitsua]

Posted: 1/9/08 at 8:43pm

The Denison Dam, Lake Texoma and our town mall were closed that day and for a week or two after.

It wasn't just New Yorkers that were scared. It was everyone. No one knew what would happen next and I hate how people don't think we don't understand.

9/11 didn't just happen in NYC.

[DG]

Posted: 1/9/08 at 9:21pm

There's a difference between fear of what might happen, and fear caused by what is actually happening to you at the moment. I don't think people belittle the anxiety felt around the country (or world?) but it is different from feeling that your life is in extreme physical danger - which in NYC and the Pentagon, it was.

[Liverpool]

Posted: 1/9/08 at 9:24pm

no DG, a lot of New Yorkers do belittle the fear caused to other people by the event's of 9/11 they think that it was a NY thing, that it happened to them and no one else has a right to feel anything from it but sympathy for them.

[iHeartMyGeek]

Posted: 1/9/08 at 9:26pm

I know that the plane that came down in Somerset, PA hit a little too close to home (literally) for me. I was in the sixth grade at the time. I was PETRIFIED that they were coming for Pittsburgh next.

That being said, I know that the fear and horror I felt that day is incomparable to that felt by the people in NYC at the time. 9/11 will never be as personal for me as it was for the people who were there at that moment.

[DG]

Posted: 1/9/08 at 9:28pm

Liv - I was actually talking about those who posted in this thread.

I do know, for myself, I've never gotten an attitude like that from anyone I'm known, met or talked to from NYC.

[Liverpool]

Posted: 1/9/08 at 9:29pm

Oh ok, well the thing i thing happens is that instead of 9-11 happening TO New York, it happened IN New York (and pa and dc) but it happened TO America.

[DG]

Posted: 1/9/08 at 9:33pm

"it happened TO America."

Even though I know that was the terrorists' intent, it does strike me odd as a 'rallying point,' as it was the WORLD Trade Center, and many nationalities were represented amongst those killed.

Again, I know the intent, but it just strikes me as odd.

[Liverpool]

Posted: 1/9/08 at 9:38pm

Touche (with an accent that i don't know the code for and am too lazy to go find and copy and paste)

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 1/9/08 at 9:38pm

extreme danger for those in the vicinity of the towers.

all of my friends (in manhattan or boroughs) were not in extreme danger. I don't belittle that some of them saw and heard this happen with their own eyes (though many of them experienced it through the tv or internet like myself). felt the ground shudder. walked home instead of taking the subway. lived with the smoke for weeks. endured chaos with closed public areas. saw people who had survived. saw people who had lost someone. I do not for a second imply that I dealt with that.

but this isn't a contest to see who had it more harrowing.

and I lived in Houston at the time. I had every reason to be terrified that we were next.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 1/9/08 at 9:44pm

the war is on the west, but the attack was on America--the World Trade Center, yes, but also the Pentagon and the US Capitol or White House.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 1/9/08 at 9:44pm

yeah, don't you guys know that the terrorists were looking to strike at the heart of the bush power in oil country? they only settled for the towers because they worried that there were too many gays in houston for this to really upset the country.

how dare you people diminish how scared people were in places like pig's knuckle arkansas! when they found out on 9/13 they were horrified! simply aghast and sure that they would be next to suffer the wrath of hell that had been unleashed by someone other than the russians.

everyone is exactly equal in this and don't you dare forget it. whether you came home covered in powder or merely were too terrified to change out of your jammies when you finally awoke to find that the country had been attacked. every single person in the country has the right to their terror and geography plays absolutely no part in this whatsoever.

you selfish pigs trying to hog all the terror for yourselves make me sick!

Updated On: 1/9/08 at 09:44 PM

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 1/9/08 at 9:50pm

do you disagree that Houston would be a prime target, papa? if so, that shows a grand ignorance on your part.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 1/9/08 at 9:51pm

yep, because when the world thinks america, they think houston.

[ShbrtAlley44]

Posted: 1/9/08 at 9:56pm

Soooooooooo. What do you guys think the monster is?

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 1/9/08 at 9:57pm

it's liv on dust.

[DG]

Posted: 1/9/08 at 9:57pm

Shbrt - Betty Buckley. And she's NOT happy about Patti's upcoming GYPSY run!

[Liverpool]

Posted: 1/9/08 at 9:58pm

SOmething that has smaller creatures with it (since in the previews they seem to be freaked out about a bite and if it were a Gozilla type creature only a bite would kill not injure).

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 1/9/08 at 10:07pm

Houston is the only city that fulfills 100% of the checklist for a target city. This was true during the Cold War and it is true still. It's the heart of the energy industry.

But it happened in your city, papa, so you win! even though you were prob out in Queens at the time, you were in more extreme danger than I so you win.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 1/9/08 at 10:18pm

actually i was in a manhattan classroom full of 7th graders at the time.

except one check, jrb, no one gives a flying fig about houston. headlines for a week and then a collective national shrug.

see all those checklists are about a conventional war target and if the attack was a precursor to an invasion your knee-knocking fright would be valid. unfortunately, in this day and age it's practically impossible to mount a sneak invasion.

terrorism is not about inflicting the most damage, it's about inflicting the most impact. and that's where houston falls short. but this is rather pointless since no one can take away the fear that you felt that day and it was just as bad as someone who had a body land next to them on the street or whose desk suddenly was blaze with jetfuel or whose relative became a smear on a pa field. cherish it, kiddo. you earn it with every post.

[DG]

Posted: 1/9/08 at 10:21pm

I'm gonna sic Betty on both of you

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 1/9/08 at 10:35pm

show me where I said it was equal. show me.

in fact, I made a clear distinction. you are the one putting words in my mouth and changing what I have said around.

the fact is--those horrible things never happened to you either. but I don't dismiss that it was more harowing for you that day.

the point of this thread was about a movie's advertising. this part of the discussion began with the dismissal that those of us who weren't in nyc that day can't possible have valid opinions on the film's marketing--even though I believe Borstal was on the other coast on 9/11. but somehow his opinion is valid because he agrees that the film marketing is wrong.

now, i'm being told that what I and the rest of non-nyc went through is invalid. how dare we pretend we were affected that day when we weren't in a classroom in manhattan.

I will never pretend to completely comprehend what you new yorkers (AND dc and pa) went through. but do not pretend to comprehend what that day was like for the rest of us. and how dare you belittle it.

proves what a truly revolting person you have become, papa. and YOU prove that with every post, particularly the ones that sound like you cut and paste phrases from a Rob Zombie script.

[ShbrtAlley44]

Posted: 1/9/08 at 10:38pm

LOL DG. I thought that high pitched roar sounded familiar.