COAST OF UTOPIA - Men, Tony categories?
COAST OF UTOPIA - Men, Tony categories?
#1COAST OF UTOPIA - Men, Tony categories?
Posted: 11/29/06 at 12:42pmWhich categories (Leading or Featured) do you think each of the COAST OF UTOPIA men will be placed into?
"Winning a Tony this year is like winning Best Attendance in third grade: no one will care but the winner and their mom."
-Kad
"I have also met him in person, and I find him to be quite funny actually. Arrogant and often misinformed, but still funny."
-bjh2114 (on Michael Riedel)
-Kad
"I have also met him in person, and I find him to be quite funny actually. Arrogant and often misinformed, but still funny."
-bjh2114 (on Michael Riedel)
Smartful Dodger
Featured Actor Joined: 3/23/05
#1re: COAST OF UTOPIA - Men, Tony categories?
Posted: 11/29/06 at 2:39pm
Most likely, Ethan Hawke and Billy Crudup will be eligible for Best Actor for VOYAGE. All others will be eligible for Best Actor in a Supporting Role.
Remember, the balance of the roles shifts in each play, so while an actor may be eligible in one he may not be eligible in another. We've yet to see SHIPWRECK and SALVAGE.
SueleenGay
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/9/03
#2re: COAST OF UTOPIA - Men, Tony categories?
Posted: 11/29/06 at 2:41pmWill all three plays be considered ONE at Tony time, or will each be eligible on it's own? With Angels in America it was obvious, since they opened at different times in different seasons.
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Smartful Dodger
Featured Actor Joined: 3/23/05
#3re: COAST OF UTOPIA - Men, Tony categories?
Posted: 11/29/06 at 2:49pmMy guess would be that they are three separate productions, despite the crossover and interlocking elements. Stoppard has been clear that it is a trilogy not a single epic (although the parts do add up, no?). It's a complicated argument on the performance side because, as I wrote, the balance and dynamics change for all the characters over the three installments. On the creative side, it's much easier to define as one entity.
#4re: COAST OF UTOPIA - Men, Tony categories?
Posted: 1/1/07 at 9:56amHaving now seen VOYAGE and SHIPWRECK, I'm hoping that Ethan Hawke and Billy Crudup are placed into different categories, as they are not only *the* two stand-out males in the company, but these are breakthrough performances for them both. Hawke and Crudup's characters are so fully developed down to the smallest detail. They are both thoroughly engaging, consistently bringing something new to the table with each line. If they were to be placed into two seperate categories based on what I've seen in VOYAGE and SHIPWRECK, I'd place Hawke in Leading and Crudup in Featured. They are both fantastic, and I want them each to earn Tony Awards for creating such specific portrayals of two intricate human beings.
"Winning a Tony this year is like winning Best Attendance in third grade: no one will care but the winner and their mom."
-Kad
"I have also met him in person, and I find him to be quite funny actually. Arrogant and often misinformed, but still funny."
-bjh2114 (on Michael Riedel)
Updated On: 1/1/07 at 09:56 AM
-Kad
"I have also met him in person, and I find him to be quite funny actually. Arrogant and often misinformed, but still funny."
-bjh2114 (on Michael Riedel)
COOOOLkid
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/15/05
#5re: COAST OF UTOPIA - Men, Tony categories?
Posted: 1/1/07 at 10:03amI heard somewhere that they're trying to get it count as one play.
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#6re: COAST OF UTOPIA - Men, Tony categories?
Posted: 1/1/07 at 10:07amIt will count as one play. That's not up for debate.
"Winning a Tony this year is like winning Best Attendance in third grade: no one will care but the winner and their mom."
-Kad
"I have also met him in person, and I find him to be quite funny actually. Arrogant and often misinformed, but still funny."
-bjh2114 (on Michael Riedel)
-Kad
"I have also met him in person, and I find him to be quite funny actually. Arrogant and often misinformed, but still funny."
-bjh2114 (on Michael Riedel)
#7re: COAST OF UTOPIA - Men, Tony categories?
Posted: 1/1/07 at 10:29amIf they all combine it into one, I would bet that Crudup would be placed into featured, due to his limited prescence outside of Voyage. O' Bryne and Hawke would be leading, and Hamilton, if garnering a nomination(he has a large role in Part 3), would fall into featured.
"Are you sorry for civilization? I am sorry for it too." ~Coast of Utopia: Shipwreck
Yankeefan007
Broadway Legend Joined: 3/20/04
#8re: COAST OF UTOPIA - Men, Tony categories?
Posted: 1/1/07 at 10:43amLCT is petitioning for the plays to be considered 1.
LaurenB
Broadway Star Joined: 6/17/04
#9re: COAST OF UTOPIA - Men, Tony categories?
Posted: 1/1/07 at 10:55am
I am fascinated by everyone's comments regarding the acting of the two plays that have been seen so far. Unfortunately I don't see them until later, so I've been waiting with great anticipation.
I was fortunate to have seen the three plays in London, where imo, Stephen Dillane (as Herzen) completely dominated the trilogy as a standout. I walked away thinking it was his tour de force. All the leading men were very good, but I personally walked away from the trilogy thinking that he was the clear standout, and that it was Herzen's story for the most part. My second favorite was Guy Henry as Turgenev, followed closely by Doug Henshall as Bakunin. (maybe they tied) And lastly, so to speak as he was very good, was Will Keen in the role of Belinsky.
So it is very interesting to hear that Cruddup and Hawke seem to be the characters that people are embracing, even after having seen the second play where Herzen's story becomes more central.
I know that Stoppard, etc., see the plays as independent pieces. I never did. Shipwreck was my favorite, followed by Voyage, and lastly Salvage. I hear the plays have been trimmed quite a bit, so my opinion may change with the new production.
I am also interested to hear the comments in some of the threads about the shouting. I think those scenes were played quite differently in London. I'd be very interested to hear others who may have seen that production.
#10re: COAST OF UTOPIA - Men, Tony categories?
Posted: 1/1/07 at 12:30pm
Having seen Part Two, "Shipwreck" in London, I can say the glaring difference was something you already alluded to, which is the differing portrayal of Herzen. Dillane, in London, played the character as a more dominating force, whereas O'Bryne is more subdued. He does a wonderful job with the character, but I see him as more of a base and foundation of the show, rather than a outstanding player. Because of this, I do enjoy O'Bryne's Herzen better, the three plays being such an ensemble piece, he takes a role with many, many lines and does a respectable job with it, without stealing the show.
Hawke and Crudup, not having as many lines as O'Bryne, take what they have and exploit it (in a good way) to the best of their abilities. Every line they have is memorable and sticks out in your mind. In Stoppard's writing sense, they are the characters which spur the action and create chaos, whereas Herzen is the on who reacts to it all.
"Are you sorry for civilization? I am sorry for it too." ~Coast of Utopia: Shipwreck
Updated On: 1/1/07 at 12:30 PM
Yankeefan007
Broadway Legend Joined: 3/20/04
#11re: COAST OF UTOPIA - Men, Tony categories?
Posted: 1/1/07 at 12:33pmI actually thought Hawke chewed the scenery too much. O'Byrne blew me away.
#12re: COAST OF UTOPIA - Men, Tony categories?
Posted: 1/1/07 at 2:28pmI would assume that O'Byrne (and maybe Hawke) will be considered leading and all others will be considered featured.
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#13re: COAST OF UTOPIA - Men, Tony categories?
Posted: 1/1/07 at 2:54pmHawke definitly chewed the scenery. he just didn't feel right for the part and the manner in which he delivered his dialogue was bizarre and out of context. I was overwhelmed but O'Bryne and Crudup and thought they were beyond fantastic!
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Kaye Thompson
#14re: COAST OF UTOPIA - Men, Tony categories?
Posted: 1/1/07 at 3:32pmHawke's scenery chewing was perfectly accebtable for the role. I mean, have you READ some of what Bakunin wrote? He was not afraid to take this historical figure and grind into him. In a show when so much of the speech and events are reactionary, it was nice to see Hawke out there looking for revolutions.
"Are you sorry for civilization? I am sorry for it too." ~Coast of Utopia: Shipwreck
Yankeefan007
Broadway Legend Joined: 3/20/04
#15re: COAST OF UTOPIA - Men, Tony categories?
Posted: 1/1/07 at 3:36pmI have not read Bakunin - I have no interest or plans to, actually.
#16re: COAST OF UTOPIA - Men, Tony categories?
Posted: 1/1/07 at 4:21pm
Well, here is a quote contributed to one of his co-conspirators in regards to Bakunin's methods and personality:
"On the first day of the revolution he is a national treasure; on the second we should shoot him."
Based on this quote alone, and without reading any Bakunin at all, (though his "God and State" is worth taking a look at) Hawke's portrayal seems dead on.
"Are you sorry for civilization? I am sorry for it too." ~Coast of Utopia: Shipwreck
#17re: COAST OF UTOPIA - Men, Tony categories?
Posted: 1/1/07 at 7:31pmHaving seen O'Byrne give such outstanding performances in FROZEN, DOUBT and SHINING CITY, I must say that his acting in THE COAST OF UTOPIA is a major disappointment. The character is just not developed; while in contrast, Hawke's, Crudup's and even Harbour's characters are so very fine tuned and MEMORABLE, they come across as real, intricate human beings. O'Byrne's performance is generic and forgettable.
"Winning a Tony this year is like winning Best Attendance in third grade: no one will care but the winner and their mom."
-Kad
"I have also met him in person, and I find him to be quite funny actually. Arrogant and often misinformed, but still funny."
-bjh2114 (on Michael Riedel)
Updated On: 1/1/07 at 07:31 PM
-Kad
"I have also met him in person, and I find him to be quite funny actually. Arrogant and often misinformed, but still funny."
-bjh2114 (on Michael Riedel)
