Bernadette Peters agenda

AndAllThatJazz22
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Bernadette Peters Agenda
Posted: 7/6/09 at 10:09am
I don't wanna judge on whether or not Bernie should play Mrs. Lovett because I have a very anti-Bernadette Peters bias; however, I would very much love to see Christine Ebersole take on the role.
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Updated On: 7/6/09 at 10:09 AM
Bettyboy72
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joined:3/31/06
Bernadette would be a sublime Lovett and would actually bring much needed sexuality to the role. She does not look anywhere near her age. Having just seen her in concert where she came off stage and walked right in front of me in a low cut, high slit gown, the woman is HOT! She takes obscene care of herself, unlike Patti LuPone who hit the wall years ago. As for the person who said she'd need to be carried out on a stretcher, I highly doubt it. If Patti can do it, so can Bernadette. Bernadette is great at playing darker, layered pieces.

I'd love to see it at Encores or in concert. Bernadette easily reads as a character in her 40s when she is made up.
"The sexual energy between the mother and son really concerns me!"-random woman behind me at Next to Normal "I want to meet him after and bang him!"-random woman who exposed her breasts at Rock of Ages, referring to James Carpinello
Mister Matt
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And the latter was nicknamed 'Granny Get Your Gun'.

Right, but the nickname was not applied when Bernadette played the role, nor did critics or Tony voters seem to take issue with it. Annie Oakley is traditionally cast too old and nobody really seems to care too much.
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givesmevoice
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"I'd much rather see her in something we haven't seen for a long time on Broadway"

I completely agree. Or, heaven forbid, something original.


I third and second this.


She takes obscene care of herself, unlike Patti LuPone who hit the wall years ago.

while I definitely agree that Bernadette Peters is in phenomenal shape, if LuPone has hit a wall, I hate to think where that puts a lot of other people.
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ray-andallthatjazz86
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I don't know why people always need to bring up Patti LuPone as a direct opposite of Bernadette.
How I would love to see her play Sally in FOLLIES, yes she is older than the role should be cast, but again in a concert setting or any setting really, I'd just love to see her sink her teeth into that part.
Still, I think Lovett is a better fit for her. There's so many Sondheim characters I'd love to see her play, I mean, she even was offered Fosca which I think she is completely wrong for but still would have loved to see what she'd have done with it.
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Bettyboy72
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joined:3/31/06
When I say LuPone has hit the wall, I mean that she and Bernadette are not going to be offered the same parts anymore, they are drastically different in their physicality. While I think Patti believes she is sexy, she does not read sexy at all. Bernadette is stunning and can still play a wider range of characters. Bernadette can dress herself down or frump up if she chooses, but she is ultimately still a sexpot in concert.

LuPone worked it as well as she could in the 80s. I liked what was said about Bernadette's Rose, that in reality Rose was petite, sexual, and sexy and used those to her adavantage. I saw Bernadette as being able to pull that off far better than LuPone.

While LuPone was a definitive Rose, I didn't necessarily see a man going ga-ga when she pulled up her skirt to show a cankle. But I'm gay, so what do I know about what a straight dude will chase.
"The sexual energy between the mother and son really concerns me!"-random woman behind me at Next to Normal "I want to meet him after and bang him!"-random woman who exposed her breasts at Rock of Ages, referring to James Carpinello
Updated On: 7/6/09 at 11:28 AM
Larcen26
Understudy
joined:5/21/04
As much as I love Bernadette Peters, this htread makes me think of the Forbidden Broadway song "So Miscast"
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Hest882
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joined:6/10/08
I don't know why people always need to bring up Patti LuPone as a direct opposite of Bernadette.

I agree it's a bit silly, but I also think it's somewhat of a compliment. I think that they are probably the only two larger-than-life working musical actresses of their stature left--ones lucky enough to emerge in an era where they could be embraced by the general public--and there's really no one of the younger generation who has replaced them. One can make an argument for a few others such as Liza Minelli, but I think Liza has too much of that celebrity thing going on.
jewishboy
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joined:5/2/06
First off, I think Patti LuPone has much more of a sexual quality then Bernadette Peters, but they are both great performers. Second, I don't really have any desire to see Peters take on Lovett and not because I don't think she can do it justice, it just doesn't excite me. Third, I would really love to see Faith Prince tackle the role!
sparrman
Broadway Star
joined:2/21/07
Madbrian, can I live where you live, where the 61-year-old women look as good as Bernadette? Because that sounds like a beautiful place to be.

Seriously man, please post a picture here of Bernadette looking just as old as you can find, and let's all vote on whether or not she looks 61!
Jordan Catalano
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I'm still upset Cyndi Lauper didn't get to perform the role. I wanted to see/hear that SO bad!
sparrman
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Besides the obvious fact that Bernadette's too old to play Mrs. Lovett (Aw heck, I can't even TYPE that with a straight face), one problem she WOULD have is the accent. Her British accent in "Song and Dance" is pretty spotty.

Updated On: 7/6/09 at 04:33 PM
Jordan Catalano
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Seriously? You think Bernie's in a show 25 years ago was bad? That's a long time to improve on something. And did you SEE LuPone "play" the role??? She didn't even try. Oh but wait, it's Patti LuPone so she doesn't have to try.
ljay889
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joined:8/4/04
Patti completely reinvented the role from her first time playing it in concert. Sondheim promised her the role, so he obviously really likes her Lovett.

"I would really love to see Faith Prince tackle the role!"

She already did, and I remember someone on here posted that she was atrocious.
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givesmevoice
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joined:12/2/07
Bernadette Peters agenda
Posted: 7/6/09 at 05:00pm
I really like Bernadette Peters, but I don't think she'd be a good Lovett. I also think LuPone was a better Lovett in the 2005 revival than she was in the concert she did with the NY Phil and San Francisco Symphony. (talk about a spotty British accent!)

I understand comparing the two performers, but I think they're different enough that you can't rank them. but that's just my opinion.
When I see the phrase "the ____ estate", I imagine a vast mansion in the country full of monocled men and high-collared women receiving letters about productions across the country and doing spit-takes at whatever they contain. -Kad
Scripps2
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Bernadette Peters agenda
Posted: 7/6/09 at 05:11pm
"Patti completely reinvented the role from her first time playing it in concert."

She reinvented the East London accent as well.
Jordan Catalano
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joined:10/9/05
Bernadette Peters agenda
Posted: 7/6/09 at 05:15pm
Is that what we're calling horrible acting now? Reinventing?
Anyone see how Elizabeth Berkley "reinvented" the role of a stripper in Showgirls?
TheatreFreak05
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Bernadette Peters agenda
Posted: 7/6/09 at 05:16pm
I don't care what show she is in! Just bring Bernadette back to Broadway already!!
Jordan Catalano
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Bernadette Peters agenda
Posted: 7/6/09 at 05:23pm
"I don't care what show she is in! Just bring Bernadette back to Broadway already!!"

That's what I'm sayin.
sparrman
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joined:2/21/07
Bernadette Peters agenda
Posted: 7/6/09 at 05:41pm
Sure, maybe she'd do a better job with the accent this time around; But I'd *anticipate* that it would give her problems.

And on a larger point, why can so many British actors do American accents that sound flawless to American ears, but most American actors can't manage British accents that are believable even to American ears?
Updated On: 7/6/09 at 05:41 PM
Bettyboy72
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joined:3/31/06
Bernadette Peters agenda
Posted: 7/6/09 at 06:11pm
"And did you SEE LuPone "play" the role??? She didn't even try. Oh but wait, it's Patti LuPone so she doesn't have to try"

That is completely how I feel about Patti...I think leads with her voice and is like "the voice is here" and lets everything else go to pot. She barely dresses up for a concert, but maybe she is doing that to teach the audience a lesson. (SEE THREAD ON AUDIENCE ATTIRE).
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Jordan Catalano
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Bernadette Peters agenda
Posted: 7/6/09 at 06:17pm
I remember just how much I hated the SWEENEY revival (for so many different reasons) but when I saw it the week Judy Kaye took over, I couldn't believe just how much I loved it! It was so refreshing to see someone up there who was actually GOOD! I had so hoped she would stay on with the show until the end.
qolbinau
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joined:6/29/08
Bernadette Peters agenda
Posted: 7/6/09 at 06:52pm
"First off, I think Patti LuPone has much more of a sexual quality then Bernadette Peters, but they are both great performers. "

Oh comme on are you serious :P? Have you seen one of Bernadette's recent concerts?

In Comparison to Bernadette, LuPone is fat with a massive pig nose. Wow this came across as so childish - and I guess it is, but honestly. (edit:3 years later edit - forgive me I was a closeted 18 year old fanboy then.)

I don't think Bernadette is as hot as she thinks she is, I think she looks like a very overdone mid 40s woman (in terms of make up/plastic surgery), but still in comparison to LuPone she is really sexy..plus she obviously works out quite successfuly since her arms and legs are quite toned.

All I know is, if I ever saw Patti LuPone brushing against stets and posing lying down singing "Fever" with her breasts hanging out, I'd probably throw up - though Bernadette can get by.

I get the impression she is more physically fit than LuPone, hence the analogy "If Patti can do Gypsy Bernadette could do Sweeney".

"I also think LuPone was a better Lovett in the 2005 revival than she was in the concert she did with the NY Phil and San Francisco Symphony. (talk about a spotty British accent!) "

I agreee. I enjoy her 05 performance but not the two concerts.

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Unfortunately though, we don't need a major revival of Sweeney, or a concert, or anything really at the moment. So I'm not sure how this would work .





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Pgenre
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joined:5/3/05
Bernadette Peters agenda
Posted: 7/6/09 at 07:09pm
The highpoint of Bernadette's Sondheim appearances (SITPWG, ITW, GYPSY, concerts, etc.) is undoubtedly her performance as Fay Apple in the ANYONE CAN WHISTLE concert. I recently revisited the recording and was blown away by her vocal performance... and her acting was sublime, really - her best dramatic work I've seen. She was the best I've ever seen her and earned BOTH her encores during the performance.

Check it out for yourself if you don't believe me. "See What It Gets You" is unbelievable.

And Mendes' GYPSY was fine. I enjoyed it for what it was, but I expected a director's "take" and not a facsimile production (or transparently book-oriented production ala Arthur on this and WSS) so I was pleasantly suprised with the various directorial touchs, as heavy-handed or misappropriated as they may have been. Mendes seems to be better with new musicals (THE FIX is a great example of how wonderfully he can direct) than revivals (also, his most sucessful musical, CABARET, was almost a newly created musical it was so different than the original or revivals). Arthur hated it, but I didn't think it was effective enough to hate. It was good - not GREAT, though Bernadette was ON when I saw her and many stood after "Rose's Turn". I saw all the performers that year and let me tell you, Bernadette and Antonio were robbed.

Harvey and Marissa should have gotten a special award, perhaps, but Bernadette in GYPSY and Antonio in NINE gave superior performances in MUCH showier roles that season, so as not to discount the performances or production both of which were divine and HAIRSPRAY rightfully swept most other categories.

Bernadette has another 5 or 10 years to give us a knock-out Phyllis, Desiree or Cora. I've spoken to her up close and in person in the last few years and she does not look her age AT ALL and indeed could play early 40s if so asked.

Interestingly enough, I chatted with her during the intermission at FOLLIES a few years ago in which she said she would only want to play Phyllis, though she loves singing "Losing My Mind" and "In Buddy's Eyes". I think she has it in her to be the definitive Phyllis but she better do it soon.

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I hope I look as good as her in twenty years when I'm in my early forties!
Updated On: 7/6/09 at 07:09 PM
MTVMANN
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joined:1/1/05
Bernadette Peters agenda
Posted: 7/6/09 at 07:22pm
I would LOVE to see her play the role...and it not be a John Doyle production either!

The sinister side of me would welcome all the Diva fights between the fans of Patti Lupone and Bernadette Peters (as well as any between the two ladies themselves!).

Also, there is NO WAY she is TOO OLD for Sally or Phyllis in Follies. The question would be rather she is right for the role, but age is not a factor what-so-ever IMO.

I think the women need to register as being in their 50's...remember Sally has two GROWN boys! Even though she was Phyllis, I would think that Donna Murphy would be a bit too young for the role.
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ray-andallthatjazz86
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Bernadette Peters agenda
Posted: 7/6/09 at 07:30pm
Donna Murphy was the perfect age for the part actually. She is 48 when she played the part and it made perfect sense that she would have been a naive chorus girl 30 years before that, going to dance all night at Tony's, living at an apartment were the tub was in the kitchen, etc. Just like my fortunate friends who were around in the 70s say the only Phyllis is Alexis Smith, Murphy will always be Phyllis in my mind.
I don't think Bernadette is appropriate for Phyllis at all, she could "pull it off" but if she were to play one of the two female leads in FOLLIES, she'd be better-suited for Sally. I'd love to see her play that part, I think she'd bring a childish approach to it reminiscent of what Dorothy Collins so brilliantly did with the part. I don't think she possesses the coldness necessary to play Phyllis.
I truly hate it that every time there is a Bernadette Peters, a Patti LuPone fan or even a Patti LuPone non-fan feels the need to pit them against each other, so unnecessary. Still, it'd be fantastic to see a FOLLIES production with Peters as Sally and LuPone as Phyllis, there'd be fireworks on that stage! (Though LuPone possesses none of the elegance required to make the role work).
"Some people can thrive and bloom living life in a living room, that's perfect for some people of one hundred and five. But I at least gotta try, when I think of all the sights that I gotta see, all the places I gotta play, all the things that I gotta be at"