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Posted: 4/4/11 at 4:15pm
A spin-off of Clap of hands thread on 'how many theatres', imagine we went like New York and did a equivalent of off Broadway and done a 'off West End'.

Off-Broadway theatre is a term for a professional venue in New York City with a seating capacity between 99 and 499, and for a specific production of a play, musical or revue

What theatres do we have in the West End would qualify as a off West End house?
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Posted: 4/4/11 at 4:29pm
Trafalgar Studios 1 is the only one that really fits the definition, that I can think of - of course a few others like the Duchess and Fortune also have less than 500 seats but they're indisputably West End houses. The phrase is a bit of a nonsense for London theatre anyway - you can't really be "off" an area in the same way that you can a street - and of course we have all those subsidised theatres, just to confuse everything. If you count them, then the Donmar, Royal Court, Young Vic etc. would all qualify. And then of course there are the "West End" theatres like the two in Victoria that are clearly not in the West End!
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Off West End#2
Posted: 4/4/11 at 5:28pm
Regents Park Open Air Theatre?
Southwark Playhouse?
Landor Theatre?
Tabard Theatre?
Donmar Warehouse?
Menier Chocolate Factory?
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Off West End#3
Posted: 4/4/11 at 5:39pm
Even the National?
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Posted: 4/4/11 at 5:45pm
The National is "off" the West End geographically, of course, but only one of its auditoria is small enough to qualify according to the New York rules. Regent's Park also far too big.

Jermyn Street Theatre, bang in the middle of the West End, but too small to even qualify as "off West End". (That is such a horrible phrase.)
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Off West End#5
Posted: 4/4/11 at 5:46pm
Surely New York theatres are bigger as a general rule though, and I suspect some off broadway houses might be bigger than west end ones. I may be wrong.
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Off West End#6
Posted: 4/4/11 at 5:50pm
The point is, we don't seem to have hard-and-fast rules in the same way that NY does. There's a certain amount of common sense involved - though having said that, the Royal Court Downstairs is eligible for the Oliviers but the Royal Court Upstairs isn't, so maybe not!
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Posted: 4/4/11 at 5:54pm
The 'rules' and boundaries of West End theatre are so confusing...even what is classed as a 'legit' West End theatre can be disputed in my opinion. The Peacock and Arts theatres along with the opera house are not West End theatres in my opinion, but there we go, it's just people with a different opinion who have decided on the rules.
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Off West End#8
Posted: 4/5/11 at 2:55am
In New York gepgraphy does not come into it, whether deciding a theatre is Broadway or off Broadway, so geography will not count here too.

Cool we have a few theatres for the hypothetical off West End scene, are these all the theatres that would qualify?

Trafalgar Studio 1
Trafalgar Studio 2
Peacock
Arts
Duchess
Fortune
Domnar
Royal Court
Young Vic
Southwark Playhouse
Landor
Tabard
Menier Chocalate Factory
Cottesloe

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Off West End#9
Posted: 4/5/11 at 1:40pm
Geographically speaking, the Donmar is in Covent Garden, and as far as I am concerned that is the heart of the West End.
It could be argued that the Victoria Theatres, Apollo and Palace are off West End.
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Off West End#10
Posted: 4/5/11 at 3:07pm
Thought with the theatres listed, I have a look at where the exact location is and capacity.

Trafalgar Studio 1 - Charing Cross - 380
Trafalgar Studio 2 - Charing Cross - 100
Peacock - Holborn/Temple - 999
Arts - Leicester Square - 347
Duchess - Covent Garden - 479
Fortune - Russell Square - 432
Domnar - Leicester Square - 251
Royal Court (downstairs) - Sloane Square - 400
Royal Court (upstairs) - Sloane Square - 85
Young Vic - Waterloo - 500
Southwark Playhouse - London Bridge - ????
Landor - Clapham North - 60
Tabard - Chiswick -79
Menier Chocalate Factory - London Bridge - 180
Cottesloe - Waterloo - 400

A couple of venues missed

New Player Theatre - Charing Cross - 275
Kings Head - Islington - ????
Greenwich Theatre - Greenwich - 400
Westminster - Victoria - 314*

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Off West End#11
Posted: 4/5/11 at 4:05pm
The capacity of the Young Vic changes depending on the layout, but I'd be amazed if it can realistically hold 500. Royal Court Upstairs changes a bit too.
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Off West End#12
Posted: 4/24/11 at 1:39pm
Southwark Playhouse has a 150 capacity...