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CLOVERFIELD and 9/11 imagery
#125cloverfield and 9/11 imagery
Posted: 1/10/08 at 1:44pmWho's trying to show anyone anything? I'm just making a personal choice.
#126cloverfield and 9/11 imagery
Posted: 1/10/08 at 1:47pm
The only reason I'm going to see this movie is because of Janis Ian.
And it'll be on DVD.
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#127cloverfield and 9/11 imagery
Posted: 1/10/08 at 1:48pmLOL? Anger? You think that post is angry??
#128cloverfield and 9/11 imagery
Posted: 1/10/08 at 1:51pmthe movie has clearly upset you erik dont even try and deny it. you said as much a couple times
#129cloverfield and 9/11 imagery
Posted: 1/10/08 at 1:52pm
"Here 9/11 imagery is being used to sell tickets to a monster movie...not to make any statement about what happened on that day."
You haven't seen the movie. How could you possibly know whether the filmmakers are looking to make a statement?
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#131cloverfield and 9/11 imagery
Posted: 1/10/08 at 1:59pm
The people who are pro-CLOVERFIELD seem to me to be more insistantly up in arms than the others who have a problem with it. Why?
Yes, Liver, your endless marching band of snide condescension is a form of anger. What is it about this that upsets you so much?
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#132cloverfield and 9/11 imagery
Posted: 1/10/08 at 2:02pmI think people should watch the movie first before the judge the posters and trailer.
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#133cloverfield and 9/11 imagery
Posted: 1/10/08 at 2:04pm
people's sense of entitlement to be upset by something that has nothing to do with another thing simply because they "look similar" This movie is NOT ABOUT 9/11. it is NOT MAKING LIGHT OF THE EVENTS OF 9/11. This is a WORK OF FICTION, A MONSTER MOVIE MEANT TO ENTERTIAN AND SCARE.
There is no supreme entitlement to 9/11 anger that you have, so stop acting like there is.
Updated On: 1/10/08 at 02:04 PM
#134cloverfield and 9/11 imagery
Posted: 1/10/08 at 2:09pm
Ummm...last I checked people had the right to be angry about whatever they wanted.
And I'm specifically expressing my opinion about the images in the advertising campaign. I don't need to see the movie for that.
STP made a valid point that I should see the movie before declaring a popcorn monster movie. I agree on that point.
And you have me all figured out Liverpool. I'm almost as angry about this as I was when I found out they cut The Ballad of Sweeney Todd from the movie. I don't know how I manage to sleep at night.
#135cloverfield and 9/11 imagery
Posted: 1/10/08 at 2:10pm
i'll be angry about whatver the heck i wanna be angry about. dammit!
*edit*
you didn't erik. i remember the nigh-long telephone ocnversation that consisted mostly of you sobbing incomprehensibly so loudly that i had to take the phone into the kitchen to avoid waking my poor long-suffering wife.
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Updated On: 1/10/08 at 02:10 PM
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
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#136cloverfield and 9/11 imagery
Posted: 1/10/08 at 2:11pmfine, jsut don't try to make false and exaggerated claims to jusify you're asinine anger
#137cloverfield and 9/11 imagery
Posted: 1/10/08 at 2:14pm
It seems that you are the angry one.
Unless we're gonna talk Sweeney.
#138cloverfield and 9/11 imagery
Posted: 1/10/08 at 2:15pm
the two images i posted are almost exactly alike. and that makes me sick. if you cannot see that you're blinder than mr. magoo. don't tell me i do not see what my eyes see. fine, it doesn't bother you, you could not care less. but don't sit there and tell me that the two images are not almost the same.
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
Updated On: 1/10/08 at 02:15 PM
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#139cloverfield and 9/11 imagery
Posted: 1/10/08 at 2:22pm
and i think you're seeing it because you WANT to. you want to be upset about this so you've found yourself a reason. even IF the filmmakers are drawing on 9/11 imagery (which im still not convinced they are), WHO CARES, good for them, its iconic. They're doing was artists are supposed to do, draw on iconic imagery to affect the viewer. that doesn't mean they're exploiting it, or exploiting you, they've taken a common experience to connect things.
I mean, really, did you get THIS upset about Independence Day? that happened after the first attack on the WTC and both towers were demolished in that movie and it occured substantially sooner after the event than this movie is.
robbiej
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#140cloverfield and 9/11 imagery
Posted: 1/10/08 at 2:34pm
"I mean, really, did you get THIS upset about Independence Day? that happened after the first attack on the WTC and both towers were demolished in that movie and it occured substantially sooner after the event than this movie is."
Are you completely incapable of understanding context? I think possibly.
I loved Independence Day. I loved watching NYC blowing up. Even whilst I was living there. I went to the opening day of Deep Impact to watch NYC get washed away in a massive tidal wave. It was fun because the City (my home) was good at grinding you down and it was cathartic to watch the City get a taste of its own medicine.
And then...the City blew up. Not really...but that's what it felt like. And it wasn't a movie. And we all felt immediate danger. And we were no longer invincible. Those fabulous movie images became real. And it's no longer the same watching them. Oh...I still do watch them. But those brief moments of destruction in NYC cause a twinge.
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#141cloverfield and 9/11 imagery
Posted: 1/10/08 at 2:43pm
Whats more disturbing is the number of Iraq war movies that are out. I saw the second plane hit, the people coming out of towers and the towers collapse. I saw everyone coming over the Brooklyb Bridge covered in ash.
I can also seperate fiction from reality. The end of Planet of The Apes has the crown of a destroyed Statue of Liberty. I wasn't traumatized then and I if I do see this movie,I'm sure that I won't be now. I lived through it.
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Updated On: 1/10/08 at 02:43 PM
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#142cloverfield and 9/11 imagery
Posted: 1/10/08 at 2:50pmGood for you!
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Cruel_Sandwich
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#143cloverfield and 9/11 imagery
Posted: 1/12/08 at 10:36amHollywood only takes on an issue after it is "safe" to do so.
nygrl23
Broadway Star Joined: 4/18/07
#144cloverfield and 9/11 imagery
Posted: 1/12/08 at 11:25amJJ Abrams keeps being a derivative of himself, not unlike M. Night Shyamalan, in the enigmatic spooky disaster genre. Only he allows only the really pretty people to survive.
#145cloverfield and 9/11 imagery
Posted: 1/12/08 at 11:29amI'm fine if myself and Mike Vogel are the only people left on Earth.
"Writing is like prostitution. First, you do it for love, then you do it for a few friends, and finally you do it for money." ~ Moliere
ShbrtAlley44
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/1/03
#146cloverfield and 9/11 imagery
Posted: 1/12/08 at 11:52am
These two quotes are interesting:
On the Movie Poster: “The inspiration came from the poster of Escape from New York. The poster had an image on it of the head of the Statue of Liberty and that image was nowhere in the movie!”
On Comparisons to 9/11: “[It works] in the same way that Godzilla was really a metaphor for its time, and was a sort of movie about the A-bomb and Hiroshima and all of that,” he says. “The idea of it dealing with the anxiety of that time and that’s why it captured so much attention because it tapped right into people’s anxieties… I think that what was really interesting here was knowing that we were going to be dealing with the metaphor of what this was and dealing with the anxieties of our time. We thought that there would be something really sort of powerful about the idea”
- Matt Reeves, the director
http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/12/14/cloverfield-director-speaks/
#147cloverfield and 9/11 imagery
Posted: 1/12/08 at 11:57amThank you for finding those quotes, Shbrt.
DG
Broadway Legend Joined: 11/2/05
#148cloverfield and 9/11 imagery
Posted: 1/12/08 at 12:03pmIf nothing else, this discussion has illustrated just how raw the emotions still are concerning this subject.
nygrl23
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#149cloverfield and 9/11 imagery
Posted: 1/12/08 at 11:34pmYou're not being too sensitive, Borstalboy. This film has a lot of 9/11 imagery and it's really obvious. An exclusive clip on the Cloverfield website showed people taking cover in a shop, with smoke rolling by the storefront. That scene looks exactly, frame by frame, like footage taken by someone who was fleeing the smoke flooding the streets as the towers collapsed, who took cover in a shop, and watched as the smoke rolled past. This is footage that aired that week, among many, many clips that did not air again. Plus the poster... It's beyond derivative--it's offensive.
