Fla. Companies Forbidding Smoking In Private Lives

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utterly ridiculous and sets a very dangerous precedent.
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The nanny state lives.
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I don't see how this is really any different than a company not hiring someone who fails a drug test. For the record, I oppose any sort of job requirement that includes a blood, urine, saliva, hair, etc sample.
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exactly. Since the employer in may cases pays ALL or most of the medical care costs, I do believe they have a right to set a rule like this.

After all, anyone who smokes will, in the long run cost that company a lot of money medically speaking.

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...which could lead to diet restrictions too, right?

For health reasons and insurance coverage.

And exposure to the sun's rays.
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better than no Americans having medical care.

but you have a point, best. I guess because I quit smoking 8 or 9 years ago I have little sympathy for anyone with the the habit, or people who complain about laws enacted with the intent on stopping it in one way or another.

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I'd have no problem with it IF smoking was actually illegal. But, it's not. Yes, there are laws in place which bar smokers from smoking in certain areas, but that is far from an actual all out ban.

If the employer is that concerned about the actual health and welfare of his employees, does he also limit their caloric intake, limit the use of alcohol, make sure that all of his employees are enrolled in safe driving courses, mandate a daily physical fitness regimen, etc. etc. etc....blah...blah...blah.

Until the government legislates that smoking is an illegal activity and that all tobacco products should be banned, then it seems to me that the workers have a right to smoke on their own time in the privacy of their own homes, or anywhere else that smoking is allowed.

Nearly all cancer causing agents and products that have been shown to be a health risk are either banned or heavily monitored. But, you can still walk into any corner newsstand, plunk down your money and walk out with a pack of cigarettes, no questions asked. I wonder why that is? I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that tobacco is a huge cash cow for the government. Tobacco products and cigarettes have huge taxes levied on them. Not to mention that the tobacco lobby pours money into sundry political campaigns. Any other product that presented the same health risk that tobacco does, would have been off the shelves years ago, no questions asked.

Either make it illegal to smoke for the greater good, or don't. But, until then keep your punitive measures and silly rules out of my life.

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Smoking is not illegal. The only place smokers have these days is their private residence. I would never work for a company that tells me what I can and cannot do during my off hours.

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He sounds like he would fire someone for being black, gay, Jewish, Catholic, or anything else if there wasn't a law against it!

I'm a smoker, and I take less sick days than most of my non-smoking coworkers.

If he sees a guest of the resort lighting up, does he blast them with a fire extinguisher?

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Fla. Companies Forbidding Smoking In Private Lives

I think this is outrageous! Noel Coward wrote this play intending that the characters would smoke numerous cigarettes and frankly, removing them changes the whole tenor of the piece~ look at AMC's Madmen- the incessant cigarette smoking was commented on by many reviewers and helped to place the drama in it's 60's milieu. If you want to set a healthy example then maybe this isn't the play for you, Florida! Maybe you should pick another


What? Oh. Well, that's very different then. Never mind.
No good can possibly come from using this vast wasteland of error and deliberate deceit. You should get off of it and warn others away. You should make sure your children and grandchildren know what a corrupt and morally bankrupt institution it truly is.
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Joe - that was great re: Fla. Companies Forbidding Smoking In Private Lives
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"The only place smokers have these days is their private residence."

They also have the sidewalks and other outside spaces, usually right in front of me.
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I'm so torn on this issue. I do agree that it's a complete violation of rights, but if I never had to smell cigarette smoke again, I'd be a very happy girl.
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Rathnait..true very true and it is unfair to have to breathe in what someone else breathes out...

But it doesn't change the fact that as long as smoking is legal, these people still have some rights..they should be able to do what they wish inside of their own private residence.

That employer is too big brother for me..I would never work in such an environment..who knows what else they prohibit and monitor.

That's scary.
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That's not the first employer to implement that ban though.... I believe the first one was in Michigan or Illinois. I can't recall exactly.

I don't smoke anymore (I quit a few years ago.... I think I have maybe one cigarette a year now, if even), but I feel these kinds of rules are a direct violation of my rights. I feel that it's not the employers place to dictate what I do when I'm not "on the clock." I could understand if they banned smoking on the job. There are a few companies here who have "respectfully asked their employees to refrain from smoking in front of the building." There are other companies here that have designated an area x-number of feet away from the doors for smokers. And there were consequences for those who didn't follow these guidlines.

This was a huge debate last year when I as managing an office park in Stamford. Two of the big broadcast sports channels had banned their employees from smoking and done so much as to take away all their outdoor ash trays. The employees complained to us because smoking had been banned and the companies complained to us when the smokers still smoked, only now there were cigarette butts everywhere because the companies thought taking away their ash trays would solve their issue. We finally wound up giving them back their large outdoor ash trays, but moved them about 150 feet from the door in the parking garage. We got rid of the ones in front of the buildings all together. Hard core smokers still went out there and braved the cold (the complex was right on LI Sound too, so you can imagine how it was in the winter) and the lighter smokers tended to forego that cigarette and stay at their desks and work. Everyone was happy (for the most part).

In any event, back to the direct topic at hand. Like I said, it's fine for an employer to tell me I can't smoke on the job. I have no issues with that. But telling me I can't smoke when I leave? That I can't go home and smoke? I can't go out and smoke? Eff you. That's not YOUR place to make that call. It's like the boss who always tried to ask me WHY i was taking a personal day, what was so important, or WHY did I always have to leave exactly on time. Guess what? You pay me from 8:30am - 5pm. What I do in the hours Im not here is none of your damn business.

But that's just me.
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So when will that fatass discrimination start...fatasses have alot of health problems too, right?

Lay off the Taco Bell, FATASS!
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Hey, at least, my fatass isn't blowing my taco breath in your face!
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HAHA The same boss I was just talking about? He would complain when I ate "unhealthy food."

It got to the point where we got into this HUGE fight and I told him Im not a child, Im certainly not HIS child and he'd better stop treating me as such.

I quit shortly thereafter.
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shamey...what comes out the other end after taco bell aint roses, ya know!

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LOL! I don't know what you're taking about. I don't do that!
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I think a logical compromise is that, if you are a smoker, you sign away a percentage of your insurance coverage. That way, the company (and your non-smoking peers) aren't paying extra premiums to cover your unhealthy decision. Your right to smoke isn't infringed upon and companies wouldn't feel like they have any need to butt into your private life...because you're paying for the consequences of your decision; they aren't.
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Seriously, then you have to pay a percent of your coverage for any unhealthy thing you do...

Lay off the cookies and the candy, folks...big brother is coming!
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That's true. Next, they'd try to limit the amount of red meat and fried food their employees consume.

Not that people wouldn't lie and cheat anyway.
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'I don't smoke anymore (I quit a few years ago.... I think I have maybe one cigarette a year now, if even)'

then you have not quit. Be honest, at the very least to yourself.

"I'm a smoker, and I take less sick days than most of my non-smoking coworkers."

And you'll be dead before them, too.
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Is there anyone more sanctimonious than a former smoker?
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