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Lake of Fire

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Lake of Fire#1
Posted: 10/29/07 at 11:23am
I caught this harrowing documentary over the weekend. Clocking in at a little over two and a half hours, it was an exhausting exploration of both sides of the abortion debate. While my opinion on abortion wasn't changed, it was enlightening to see so many different people speaking on the subject.

The movie is rather graphic, showing not only two separate abortion procedures but also the remains. It's hard to watch, but didn't feel pornographic.

The pros and the cons are represented pretty fairly, and the film shines a light on the fact that opposition to abortion for religious reasons doesn't tend to solve the root of them problem. Those with religious motivation for their anti-choice stance always seem to focus on stopping the actual act of abortion, while those who are against abortion without much religious conviction focus on the bigger issues to effect change, such as education, access to birth control, etc. Writer Nat Hentoff delivers a pretty stirring case from being pro-life, and none of his reasons have anything to do with religion.

Watching the movie, it occurred to me why as a gay man I'm involved in the struggle to maintain abortion rights in this country. I lost count how many times in the movie "the gays" were lumped right in with "the abortionists" (always an ironic conflation, if you ask me). The restriction of personal freedoms won't stop at abortion.

While it's not for the squeamish and it took a lot out of me, I'd recommend this film to anyone looking to further examine their place in the ongoing abortion debate.

Updated On: 10/29/07 at 11:23 AM
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re: Lake of Fire#2
Posted: 10/29/07 at 11:27am
Was this in a theater, on TV, or video?
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re: Lake of Fire#2
Posted: 10/29/07 at 11:29am
I saw it at the Gene Siskel Film Center in Chicago. It's from 2006, but I only heard about it recently, so I assume it's just getting theatrical play.

On a side note, it was made by Tony Kaye, director of American History X.
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re: Lake of Fire#3
Posted: 10/29/07 at 11:34am
This sounds fascinating. It might be something I need to watch with my mother. She is adamantly pro-life and I am adamantly pro-choice, and we've had many ugly debates over it, so I would be fascinated to see what we would both come out of a film like this saying and thinking about each others' opinions.
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re: Lake of Fire#4
Posted: 10/29/07 at 11:40am
Like I said, it's long and parts are really hard to watch, but the people who appear throughout are really worth listening to - from the pro-Choice Catholic to the aforementioned Nat Hentoff's impassioned and reasoned anti-abortion stance. What's fascinating is how so many of the most vocal people in the debate (particularly on the anti-abortion side) are male.
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re: Lake of Fire#5
Posted: 10/30/07 at 3:49pm
i would love to see this.
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re: Lake of Fire#6
Posted: 10/30/07 at 6:40pm
I saw a screening of this in NYC a couple of weeks ago. It has just been released theatrically.

The director has quite an odd story since American History X -- read up on him if you're interested.

I found this film to be pretty great -- a forced dialogue between people who don't talk to one another. It doesn't place blame on anyone, and by doing so makes both sides of the debate overwhelmingly guilty.
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re: Lake of Fire#7
Posted: 10/30/07 at 10:29pm
It doesn't place blame on anyone, and by doing so makes both sides of the debate overwhelmingly guilty.

Very true. I can't stop thinking about this movie. It really got to me.
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re: Lake of Fire #8
Posted: 10/31/11 at 6:43pm
It's on youtube here if anybody here hasn't seen it yet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3c2-px62f4
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re: Lake of Fire #9
Posted: 11/2/11 at 1:42pm
I'm actually surprised more folks haven't seen this one. It's uncompromising and frankly brilliant.

Agree with PRS that this is a gay issue in a wild, roundabout kind of way. Fear of female power and homophobia go hand in hand, I'd say.
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