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[wonderfulwizard11]

Posted: 7/31/07 at 5:38pm

Or maybe because we think it's a shame a good thing for many people was lost because of these boards? Did you ever think that, instead of "Well, they're defending it, so they MUST be groupies!".

Really...

[bjh2114]

Posted: 7/31/07 at 5:40pm

Actually musicalsFan, broadwayguy does know people in the cast from before they were ever in ACL. So yes he does have connections and knows things going on. Remember castmembers in shows have personal lives too outside of the show. Hard to believe I know. Also, I think you are confused on the definition of literary device. Cause literary devices can be used in real life too, not just in books. Good lord.

[musicalsFan]

Posted: 7/31/07 at 5:50pm

You just don't get it.

Just because some people won lottery does not mean that it was not rigged.

The American education system truly has gone down the tubes. People who can not think logically.

You guys are just p*ssed that the complaining has cost YOU the cheap tickets. You don't give a cr*p about anyone else. Please don't play that I care about the other people junk.

A guy can be as much a "fangirl" as a girl. Being a guy does not make you exempt. The hissy fits you and broadwayguy2 are throwing would make any female proud. Verbally abusing those who don't agree with you. That's rich.


Updated On: 7/31/07 at 05:50 PM

[wonderfulwizard11]

Posted: 7/31/07 at 5:54pm

Oh, pardon me for feeling bad for those who are not students and now have less of a chance to get cheaper tickets. Excuse me.

For the record, I am a student, and could take advantage of the student rush. But I don't think it's fair that people who are not students had to lose out because people had to bitch on a message board.

[WestVillage]

Posted: 7/31/07 at 6:04pm

bjh2114 ... artscallion's analogy was very on target ... willing to put up with some sort of cheating rather than doing without completely. cheating boyfriend, cheating lottery ... what's the difference? Cheating is cheating. And yes, it had to be rigged or the producers would not have pulled the lottery ... why is that so hard for you to understand? It was so obviously rigged, people witnessed it, called the producers on it, producers realized they got caught with their pants down, didn't want it to get any worse and make it to the newspapers, so they put a stop to it. Stop blaming the ones who had the guts to stand up and say something about it, and start realizing that your precious lottery was not all it was cracked up to be. If they're not going to run a lottery fair and square for everybody involved, don't run it at all. Which is exactly what happened.

[Steve2]

Posted: 7/31/07 at 6:05pm

Does anyone know the reason why it was cancelled, for certain? Will someone ask next time they are there? Was it really because of BWW and ATC?

[bwaylvsong]

Posted: 7/31/07 at 6:06pm

When I went to the lottery they gave those who didn't win seats for lotto cost, so basically everyone won.

[artscallion]

Posted: 7/31/07 at 6:10pm

"Typically in life, artscallion, when you make an analogy, you are supposed to take it literally. That's the point of an analogy, it's a literary device."

Um, that would be incorrect. You do understand that literary and literally are two completely different words with two completely different meanings, don't you?

You might want to read up on what an analogy is. Here's a handy link...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analogy

After you understand what an analogy is, get back to me and we can continue the discussion.

[wonderfulwizard11]

Posted: 7/31/07 at 6:11pm

"And yes, it had to be rigged or the producers would not have pulled the lottery ... why is that so hard for you to understand?"


No, it was pulled because people made a scene saying the lottery was rigged (when they didn't have proof, may I remind you). That's why it was pulled.

[Fosse76]

Posted: 7/31/07 at 6:18pm

"No, it was pulled because people made a scene saying the lottery was rigged (when they didn't have proof, may I remind you). That's why it was pulled. "

Exactly, and many of you are guilty of defamation of character. Assuming it was cancelled because of the group, both the production and woman in charge of the lottery can sue you. It would be your burden of proof to prove the lottery was rigged. Because this is a message board with anonymity, it would be extremely difficult.

[Steve2]

Posted: 7/31/07 at 6:26pm

They wouldn't cancel the lottery because a few people made a scene!

[Kalimba]

Posted: 7/31/07 at 6:26pm

Had the names been pulled in view of everyone, they could have avoided this problem. I can see why people became suspicious if family/friends of cast members consistently had their names called after their names were pulled behind closed doors so to speak.

[Yankeefan007]

Posted: 7/31/07 at 6:33pm

Yes, simple fact is, based on everything I've read here, people finally caught on to the fact that cast members had first dibs on the tickets. I distinctly remember a poster saying that he/she heard the lotto caller asking a cast member how many tickets they needed for their family to have seats. Of course, I wasn't there, so I can't comment on how true or not that may be.

Seems enough people started to bitch that Breligio & co. decided to pull the lottery before they ended up in Riedel's column. Can't say that I blame them.

I just have to comment....notice how the people most angry are the ones who've seen it a million times already. Not that there's anything wrong with it, but did they get tickets through the lottery every time?
Updated On: 7/31/07 at 06:33 PM

[bjh2114]

Posted: 7/31/07 at 10:13pm

MusicalFan, I meant that the lotto wasn't rigged to the extent people were implying. Yes cast members were winning, but there were still many tickets to go around. People were making it sound like nobody not involved with the show won at all. And I couldn't care less about the lotto going, I can afford normal tickets or the new student rush tickets. It doesn't make a difference for me.

Artscallion, I fail to see your point about "literacy" vs. "literally". I am well aware they are different words, and they have nothing to do with each other. However, when making an analogy it should be 100% applicable to the situation and as such, taken literally. I think maybe you misunderstood my point, but whatever. Out of curiosity, how old are you dear?

WestVillage, the analogy was not accurate because there was no "cheating" involved. Whatever was going on was completely within the fine print of the lotto rules. People just weren't happy about it. It wasn't cheating, it's just that people were unhappy about it. I understand that this upsets people, and I totally understand that. But by no means should people take it out on the girl who runs the lotto. Especially when every other lottery around Times Square does the exact same thing.

Yankee, honestly I don't think the producers give a damn about the bad publicity. They are a pretty abrupt bunch. Next time any of you are at the Schoenfeld, ask Roz, the girl who did the lotto and takes tickets, why they are stopping the lotto. She will tell you that it's because she was getting harassed by unhappy customers. It had nothing to do with the threat of bad press. If that were the issue, there would be no shows running in New York.
Updated On: 7/31/07 at 10:13 PM

[Steve2]

Posted: 7/31/07 at 10:29pm

bjh2114, so it was just a little rigged?

[bjh2114]

Posted: 7/31/07 at 10:33pm

As "rigged" as any other lotto. I think my issue with the whole thing is the use of the words "rigged" or "cheating" because it really wasn't either of those things. It was totally legal, they were just stupid the way they went about it. Do I think they should have just pulled the seats before hand and had fewer available to the general public on certain days? Yes. But that doesn't make what they did illegal. People were reacting like they were being cheated out of something while in reality it wouldn't have made a difference one way or the other (meaning had they pulled the names ahead of time). Anyway, I am done commenting on this thread. People now think that I have something at stake by participating in this argument, when in reality I just want people to realize this was by no means an illegal action of any kind.

[artscallion]

Posted: 7/31/07 at 11:43pm

"Artscallion, I fail to see your point about "literacy" vs. "literally"."

Yes, that's more than clear. But I don't think I can help you.

"Out of curiosity, how old are you dear?"

Don't condescend to me. I'm probably old enough to be your father. So your point would be? (other than to try to take a lame personal swipe that doesn't involve logic or complex language skills...dear.)

Updated On: 8/1/07 at 11:43 PM

[C is for Company]

Posted: 8/1/07 at 12:26am

Some of the statements made here are pretty outrageous: Those complaining have seen it a million times, and this whole spiel I feel shouldn't even be viewed any more than it has been-

"Hey, random ACL cast member, LOOK AT me. Me. Me. I'm defending the rigged lottery. Look at me. Can't you see how devoted I am? I'm defending YOU! You, ACL cast member who can do no wrong. I want to be just like you. I'm studying theatre in school. You're so hot. I want you. I want to be just like you. OMG, I'll die if I don't see you every single day of the week. You email me. You talk to me at the stage door. You are my FRIEND. OMG. OMG. OMG!!!!!"

Debates or not, opinions- whatever. I don't even care which party is right or wrong, just please don't make such unfounded and really ignorant calls like that to be applied to those who aren't agreeing with you.

[Mistress_Spouzic]

Posted: 8/1/07 at 1:00am

Rigged or not aside, theatre policies on lottery have been changed in the past at other theatres for far less than a message board mini drama that wont go away.

[Alex12345]

Posted: 8/2/07 at 12:44am

Lotto is still on until Sunday! Go, I won tonight (finally) and it was great

[MaronaDavies]

Posted: 8/2/07 at 1:10am

"They wouldn't cancel the lottery because a few people made a scene!"

Sure they would. And they did. If lottery participants were being disruptive in the lobby and making such a public scene, it became more trouble than it was worth. No Broadway producer wants fans carrying on in their lobby or in front of their theatre.

The original Rent lobby was changed because of fan conduct. Because the show was so popular, Rentheads would literally camp out overnight with sleeping bags for the next day's rush tickets (which were first come-first serve). People were clogging up the sidewalks with tents and from what I have heard, it got out of hand. Which is why it was changed to a lottery.

It's a shame that a few spoilsports had to ruin the ACL lotto for everyone else. You say you're glad the lottery is gone because it might have been rigged. I hope you're a lot happier knowing that many people will now be denied the opportunity to see the show altogether.

[orangeskittles]

Posted: 8/2/07 at 3:17am

"Isn't it quite obvious the people defending the rigged lottery are the ACL groupies?"

Either that, or we're people that have just never had a problem with the ACL lotto (my win rate is 50%) and don't understand what all the entitled fuss is about.

"You guys are just p*ssed that the complaining has cost YOU the cheap tickets. You don't give a cr*p about anyone else. Please don't play that I care about the other people junk."

And you guys are just pissed that someone else winning has cost YOU the lotto tickets. You don't give a crap about anyone else that never had a problem with the lotto and instead demand to win or else you'd throw a hissy fit and harass the theatre staff. The majority of the people crying "rigged!" and complaining are middle-aged men, which is far more pathetic than teenybopper Wicked fans.

"And yes, it had to be rigged or the producers would not have pulled the lottery ... why is that so hard for you to understand?"

No, it was pulled because people made a scene saying the lottery was rigged (when they didn't have proof, may I remind you). That's why it was pulled.

Exactly. You do know that the cameras by the box office tape the lotto drawing every night, right? Were there a problem with the lotto, anyone with the authority to shut it down would have noticed long ago.