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WOW!! Now there's a review! Well thought out and informative. Nothing I can add. I can only say, I agree on almost all of your points, and the ones I don't agree on...well I never gave any thought.
Thanks Emcee.
Thanks Emcee.
Someone just suggested that I put the two in separate threads as not to overlap discussion about two very different shows. Will do!
Interesting review, but I disagree with 95% of it.
"I'm learning to dig deep down inside and find the truth within myself and put that out. I think what we identify with in popular music more than anything else is when someone just shares a truth that we can relate to. That's what I'm searching for in my music." - Ron Bohmer
"I broke the boundaries. It wasn't cool to be in plays- especially if you were in sports & I was in both." - Ashton Kutcher
Updated On: 3/18/07 at 01:16 PM"I broke the boundaries. It wasn't cool to be in plays- especially if you were in sports & I was in both." - Ashton Kutcher
"Perhaps the best example is whatever mockery has been made of Queen Elizabeth (who made the decision to dye her eyebrows bright orange?). Her costumes are hideous to the point that I wasn't sure if she's comic relief or not. It seems like that's her intention, yet nothing she does is actually funny, so it falls flat."
I thought the costumes were absolutely breathtaking. Her makeup is supposed to be done that way. I thought her facial expressions alone were some of the funniest moments in the show. She's a Queen. She's supposed to be wacky.
I thought the costumes were absolutely breathtaking. Her makeup is supposed to be done that way. I thought her facial expressions alone were some of the funniest moments in the show. She's a Queen. She's supposed to be wacky.
"I'm learning to dig deep down inside and find the truth within myself and put that out. I think what we identify with in popular music more than anything else is when someone just shares a truth that we can relate to. That's what I'm searching for in my music." - Ron Bohmer
"I broke the boundaries. It wasn't cool to be in plays- especially if you were in sports & I was in both." - Ashton Kutcher
"I broke the boundaries. It wasn't cool to be in plays- especially if you were in sports & I was in both." - Ashton Kutcher
Wacky is one thing, but I'm just not sure I understand why she's been made to look completely insane and crazy to the point that we're laughing at her. I worded the part you quoted poorly, I'm sorry. Her facial expressions were funny, several of her lines were funny -- the presence of funny material is not the issue. The issue is why. It's a big problem when you can't tell if you're laughing at something that's supposed to be serious because it's so bad that it's funny, or if it's actually supposed to be funny. Elizabeth I is one of the greatest, most respected rulers in all of history and one of history's most loved figures, female or not. The portrayal the show gives her didn't seem to fit that, to me. The costumes could (and should) have been beautiful; Elizabethan England was opulent and gorgeous, but instead they went so over-the-top to accentuate themselves that people were laughing, I can only assume doing so because she looked so outlandish. She was portrayed as weak and foolish, not dignified and strong.
I agree with EVERY word you said, Emcee. Every word. I thought I was crazy. Thanks for solidifying my sanity :)
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Emcee: thank you so much for this incredible review. I agree with a lot of what you said...especially regarding the portrayal of Queen Elizabeth...sad that her parts were chosen to be the comic relief of the show. Definitely a poor choice by the creative team.
But I have to say that I love an epic 80s score with all of the misplaced electric guitar and synthesized organ sounds you could ask for. But it has to be done right. I'm one of those who would kill to see a revival of "Chess" (London version).
Right, right. I don't mind them as a group, per se (and I too would love to see Chess revived), but my issue with the genre here was that it was juxtaposed with something that is so oppositional. It's big and heavy up against this Irish music that is beautiful because it's so simple. It should be one or the other, because the back-and-forth between the two doesn't work. As far as the "misplaced," I felt it was at some points -- for example, I think it was during the opening to the second act, there was just a few-bar phrase that sounded totally pop-rock, so much so that it didn't even fit with the epic 80's... thing, and it just came out of nowhere. There are also instances in which that kind of instrumentation did fit within the score in the moment, but it would have worked much better if that's what the score had been on the whole. (Thanks for the compliments, btw!)
Right, right. I don't mind them as a group, per se (and I too would love to see Chess revived), but my issue with the genre here was that it was juxtaposed with something that is so oppositional. It's big and heavy up against this Irish music that is beautiful because it's so simple. It should be one or the other, because the back-and-forth between the two doesn't work. As far as the "misplaced," I felt it was at some points -- for example, I think it was during the opening to the second act, there was just a few-bar phrase that sounded totally pop-rock, so much so that it didn't even fit with the epic 80's... thing, and it just came out of nowhere. There are also instances in which that kind of instrumentation did fit within the score in the moment, but it would have worked much better if that's what the score had been on the whole. (Thanks for the compliments, btw!)


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Nice review...I don't know if that made me want to see it or steer clear of it.


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Wonderful review Emcee! You have put into words so many things that I was thinking but couldn't quite put my finger on.
"It's Phantom meets Hamlet... Phamlet!"
I totally agree with your review,,,,the funny thing is I didn't hate the show, I sort of enjoyed myself actually...despite the numerous flaws. Perhaps this is because I had very low expectations so I could laugh off the shows problems.


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Thanks Emcee. Great review. I agree with you on all accounts.
If they weren't step dancing, I was trying to keep myself from nodding off. I tried to stay with it, I did, I just couldn't. The book and the music were ALL over the place as you described in detail. This is coming from someone who likes both Les Mis and Miss Saigon. This is Boublil and Schonberg's weakest work by far. But I do like the idea behind it.
In reference to Queen Elizabeth, I agree. When I think about her and how she's represented, she definitely came off too 'cartoony' in PQ. IMO an Elizabeth more like Judi Dench's in 'Shakespeare in Love' would have fit this story much better. She was funny, but always dignified. I think the writing, costuming, and acting ALL could have helped to make that work in PQ. But I also think the show definitely needed SOME comic relief. If not from Elizabeth, than from somewhere.
Another pet peeve of mine is weak openings. Although I didn't want to judge the entire show from the first 5 minutes, I can't deny that my gut was telling me it was going to be a LONG night from the start. The opening to this show did nothing to pull me in. I guess they were trying to go for something simple, which is a choice, but with a show that gets so heavy and ploddy, I was looking for something a little more exciting to get the blood going from the start.
I agree it's way too late to do the major changes that should be done. Hopefully they can get a few more minor ones in before opening. I think it is sellable in its present condition, but it could and should have been a lot more. It definitely makes me feel that's all they were shooting for.
If they weren't step dancing, I was trying to keep myself from nodding off. I tried to stay with it, I did, I just couldn't. The book and the music were ALL over the place as you described in detail. This is coming from someone who likes both Les Mis and Miss Saigon. This is Boublil and Schonberg's weakest work by far. But I do like the idea behind it.
In reference to Queen Elizabeth, I agree. When I think about her and how she's represented, she definitely came off too 'cartoony' in PQ. IMO an Elizabeth more like Judi Dench's in 'Shakespeare in Love' would have fit this story much better. She was funny, but always dignified. I think the writing, costuming, and acting ALL could have helped to make that work in PQ. But I also think the show definitely needed SOME comic relief. If not from Elizabeth, than from somewhere.
Another pet peeve of mine is weak openings. Although I didn't want to judge the entire show from the first 5 minutes, I can't deny that my gut was telling me it was going to be a LONG night from the start. The opening to this show did nothing to pull me in. I guess they were trying to go for something simple, which is a choice, but with a show that gets so heavy and ploddy, I was looking for something a little more exciting to get the blood going from the start.
I agree it's way too late to do the major changes that should be done. Hopefully they can get a few more minor ones in before opening. I think it is sellable in its present condition, but it could and should have been a lot more. It definitely makes me feel that's all they were shooting for.
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Emcee, now only if you were able to write all your papers using this subject matter because that was the greatest review I have ever read. You were straight to the point and informative. I definitely agree on most of what you had to say.
I literally cannot remember the way a single song goes.
I could not agree more!! The only thing I remember is the annoying tick tock (if that is even what they were singing) at the queen's palace.
I also agree that the dancing was great and that SJB was definitely overtaken by the dance talent of the others. The set, lighting, costumes and staging, to me, make the show more enjoyable because it makes the story of the show bearable to watch. Since I've only seen the show once, I do think that the sets and costumes being over the top overwhelmed me in a good way. I thought that were very interesting to look at. If I were to see it again, I would probably not be as mesmerized by the enormous sets and actually see more of an interference with them.
Also, did I miss something or is the boy completely unnecessary? I could of made my Broadway debut by dressing up as a boy and being paid to stand there. I thought it was a bit of a waste, unless, like I said, I am missing a detail. Anyway, thanks so much for the review. I really enjoyed hearing what you had to say, and you pretty much summarized everything I thought of the show.
Updated On: 3/18/07 at 06:43 PMI literally cannot remember the way a single song goes.
I could not agree more!! The only thing I remember is the annoying tick tock (if that is even what they were singing) at the queen's palace.
I also agree that the dancing was great and that SJB was definitely overtaken by the dance talent of the others. The set, lighting, costumes and staging, to me, make the show more enjoyable because it makes the story of the show bearable to watch. Since I've only seen the show once, I do think that the sets and costumes being over the top overwhelmed me in a good way. I thought that were very interesting to look at. If I were to see it again, I would probably not be as mesmerized by the enormous sets and actually see more of an interference with them.
Also, did I miss something or is the boy completely unnecessary? I could of made my Broadway debut by dressing up as a boy and being paid to stand there. I thought it was a bit of a waste, unless, like I said, I am missing a detail. Anyway, thanks so much for the review. I really enjoyed hearing what you had to say, and you pretty much summarized everything I thought of the show.
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Ikmbway and Courtney....Am I mistaken or did I not read in another thread that you liked the show?????
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Always lovely to read your thoughts.







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Posted: 3/18/07 at 12:07pm