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re: Performers in 'Broadway's Lost Treasures' DVD Series Threatening to Sue#2
Posted: 3/2/07 at 1:02pm
Posted: 3/2/07 at 1:02pm
This is why we can't have nice things.
Have I ever shown you my Shattered Dreams box? It's in my Disappointment Closet. - Marge Simpson
re: Performers in 'Broadway's Lost Treasures' DVD Series Threatening to Sue#2
Posted: 3/2/07 at 1:04pm
Posted: 3/2/07 at 1:04pm
Thank you, Rath.
re: Performers in 'Broadway's Lost Treasures' DVD Series Threatening to Sue#3
Posted: 3/2/07 at 1:08pm
Posted: 3/2/07 at 1:08pm
I totally understand the basis of where the performers are coming from. Personally, I think they only have the right to give their consent to have their performance be published onto DVD and receive NO compensation.
If it were me, I wouldn't care. I would be thrilled to have my performance documented. I would be thrilled that the piece of art I created is preserved, even if it were just one musical number from the show. I would be thrilled that my participation in the Tony Awards is now cherished by new generations of fans.
Do they also want compensation from fans lucky enough to have VCRs back then and recorded the Tonys?
If the issue is JUST money, I say shame on them. Yes, it's difficult to be a working actor in New York and make end's meat, but they knew what they were getting into. They chose this profession. If the issue is the principle of the thing, then I understand.
If it were me, I wouldn't care. I would be thrilled to have my performance documented. I would be thrilled that the piece of art I created is preserved, even if it were just one musical number from the show. I would be thrilled that my participation in the Tony Awards is now cherished by new generations of fans.
Do they also want compensation from fans lucky enough to have VCRs back then and recorded the Tonys?
If the issue is JUST money, I say shame on them. Yes, it's difficult to be a working actor in New York and make end's meat, but they knew what they were getting into. They chose this profession. If the issue is the principle of the thing, then I understand.
"The Spectacle has, indeed, an emotional attraction of its own, but, of all the parts, it is the least artistic, and connected least with the art of poetry. For the power of Tragedy, we may be sure, is felt even apart from representation and actors. Besides, the production of spectacular effects depends more on the art of the stage machinist than on that of the poet."
--Aristotle
Updated On: 3/2/07 at 01:08 PM--Aristotle
re: Performers in 'Broadway's Lost Treasures' DVD Series Threatening to Sue#4
Posted: 3/2/07 at 1:10pm
Posted: 3/2/07 at 1:10pm
And this should answer the grand ole question:
WHY AREN'T BROADWAY SHOWS AVAILABLE ON DVD?
'Nuff said.
WHY AREN'T BROADWAY SHOWS AVAILABLE ON DVD?
'Nuff said.
re: Performers in 'Broadway's Lost Treasures' DVD Series Threatening to Sue#5
Posted: 3/2/07 at 1:15pm
Posted: 3/2/07 at 1:15pm
Do they also want compensation from fans lucky enough to have VCRs back then and recorded the Tonys?
Well, to play devil's advocate here, the fans who record the shows on their VCRs aren't selling them commercially for a profit.
If the issue is JUST money, I say shame on them. Yes, it's difficult to be a working actor in New York and make end's meat, but they knew what they were getting into.
Of course the issue is just money, but they probably are entitled to compensation. And all those people are in unions, part of whose purpose are to protect the artists from getting screwed. I don't think it's fair to brush it off by saying they knew what they were getting into, simply because they've chosen show business as their profession.
Well, to play devil's advocate here, the fans who record the shows on their VCRs aren't selling them commercially for a profit.
If the issue is JUST money, I say shame on them. Yes, it's difficult to be a working actor in New York and make end's meat, but they knew what they were getting into.
Of course the issue is just money, but they probably are entitled to compensation. And all those people are in unions, part of whose purpose are to protect the artists from getting screwed. I don't think it's fair to brush it off by saying they knew what they were getting into, simply because they've chosen show business as their profession.
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re: Performers in 'Broadway's Lost Treasures' DVD Series Threatening to Sue#6
Posted: 3/2/07 at 1:17pm
Posted: 3/2/07 at 1:17pm
Aren't all the perfromaces Tony ones? They are not paid to perform at the Tonys. It sounds to me that the actors are coming acorss as a tad greedy.
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re: Performers in 'Broadway's Lost Treasures' DVD Series Threatening to Sue#7
Posted: 3/2/07 at 1:20pm
Posted: 3/2/07 at 1:20pm
No, it shouldn't.
These were telecast (mostly) years and years ago when theatre wasn't readily available on "home video." Therefore, it is understandable that each performer wouldn't have given consent back then. It was the understanding they would only be performing for a awards show telecast.
Today, it can be written into the contract that when you perform in a show, consent it automatically given if a recording were published. Fincancial compensation would then be provided.
These were telecast (mostly) years and years ago when theatre wasn't readily available on "home video." Therefore, it is understandable that each performer wouldn't have given consent back then. It was the understanding they would only be performing for a awards show telecast.
Today, it can be written into the contract that when you perform in a show, consent it automatically given if a recording were published. Fincancial compensation would then be provided.
"The Spectacle has, indeed, an emotional attraction of its own, but, of all the parts, it is the least artistic, and connected least with the art of poetry. For the power of Tragedy, we may be sure, is felt even apart from representation and actors. Besides, the production of spectacular effects depends more on the art of the stage machinist than on that of the poet."
--Aristotle
--Aristotle
re: Performers in 'Broadway's Lost Treasures' DVD Series Threatening to Sue#8
Posted: 3/2/07 at 1:20pm
Posted: 3/2/07 at 1:20pm
In the article, Cohen states that he worked this out with the unions.
The fact is, no one is getting rich off of Broadway's Lost Treasures DVDs. That's not all that difficult to figure out. These are being put together as an archive to be shared with devoted fans, not a money-making venture. That's what makes this so ridiculous.
The fact is, no one is getting rich off of Broadway's Lost Treasures DVDs. That's not all that difficult to figure out. These are being put together as an archive to be shared with devoted fans, not a money-making venture. That's what makes this so ridiculous.
Have I ever shown you my Shattered Dreams box? It's in my Disappointment Closet. - Marge Simpson
re: Performers in 'Broadway's Lost Treasures' DVD Series Threatening to Sue#9
Posted: 3/2/07 at 1:21pm
Posted: 3/2/07 at 1:21pm
Yep, this is the reason we get so few Broadway dvd's like this. Can't they just be happy their work is getting exposure? It's not like the Lost Treasures people are doing this to dick them over. Its for this history of it all.
re: Performers in 'Broadway's Lost Treasures' DVD Series Threatening to Sue#10
Posted: 3/2/07 at 1:24pm
Posted: 3/2/07 at 1:24pm
Rath - well put.
Would the lawsuit still come up if they were JUST telecast on PBS and not released to DVD?
It cost $1 million to do the CANDIDE DVD (which was just a concert) and they were lucky to make $500,000 back.
Would the lawsuit still come up if they were JUST telecast on PBS and not released to DVD?
It cost $1 million to do the CANDIDE DVD (which was just a concert) and they were lucky to make $500,000 back.
"The Spectacle has, indeed, an emotional attraction of its own, but, of all the parts, it is the least artistic, and connected least with the art of poetry. For the power of Tragedy, we may be sure, is felt even apart from representation and actors. Besides, the production of spectacular effects depends more on the art of the stage machinist than on that of the poet."
--Aristotle
--Aristotle
re: Performers in 'Broadway's Lost Treasures' DVD Series Threatening to Sue#11
Posted: 3/2/07 at 1:27pm
Posted: 3/2/07 at 1:27pm
I still say, release every Broadway show on dvd. Even if you have to charge $100 for it just to recoup the union fees, etc., fine. The devoted fans who want them will buy them. Don't worry about a mass-media release and charging $20 each for them. I know I'd happily pay $100 for my favorite shows on dvd.
re: Performers in 'Broadway's Lost Treasures' DVD Series Threatening to Sue#12
Posted: 3/2/07 at 1:29pm
Posted: 3/2/07 at 1:29pm
I see both sides of this, and I think all the points made by everyone are good ones, but I still think there is some level of merit to the suit. I'm no laweyer, though, so I have no idea if the performers have leg to stand on or not.
"How do you like THAT 'misanthropic panache,' Mr. Goldstone?" - PalJoey
re: Performers in 'Broadway's Lost Treasures' DVD Series Threatening to Sue#13
Posted: 3/2/07 at 1:31pm
Posted: 3/2/07 at 1:31pm
Wouldn't a Tony performance come under the heading of "publicity" though? Actors don't get paid for promo work they do like the Bway preview, Shubert Alley, etc. At least that's what the money men are likely to say.
I suppose that they should receive something, but the money they'd receive would be so paltry I'd hardly think worth the time.
I mean, how much does a chorus member of 42nd STREET earn in one number on a compilation dvd?
I suppose that they should receive something, but the money they'd receive would be so paltry I'd hardly think worth the time.
I mean, how much does a chorus member of 42nd STREET earn in one number on a compilation dvd?
re: Performers in 'Broadway's Lost Treasures' DVD Series Threatening to Sue#14
Posted: 3/2/07 at 1:33pm
Posted: 3/2/07 at 1:33pm
There's definitely merit to the suit. I just think it's a shame performers would do this.
Mother's Younger Brother - I 100% agree with you. I would pay $100 for a DVD.
Mother's Younger Brother - I 100% agree with you. I would pay $100 for a DVD.
"The Spectacle has, indeed, an emotional attraction of its own, but, of all the parts, it is the least artistic, and connected least with the art of poetry. For the power of Tragedy, we may be sure, is felt even apart from representation and actors. Besides, the production of spectacular effects depends more on the art of the stage machinist than on that of the poet."
--Aristotle
--Aristotle


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re: Performers in 'Broadway's Lost Treasures' DVD Series Threatening to Sue#15
Posted: 3/2/07 at 1:38pm
Posted: 3/2/07 at 1:38pm
Notice that its the actors (Wanda Richert for example) who have been out of work for years that are bringing up this compensation issue. She probably is short on cash and needs some money, so why not try this route. I'd be shocked if Chita Rivera and Angela Lansbury were wanting to be paid for this.
re: Performers in 'Broadway's Lost Treasures' DVD Series Threatening to Sue#16
Posted: 3/2/07 at 1:39pm
Posted: 3/2/07 at 1:39pm
What kills me is that they actually believe there is money.
Have I ever shown you my Shattered Dreams box? It's in my Disappointment Closet. - Marge Simpson
re: Performers in 'Broadway's Lost Treasures' DVD Series Threatening to Sue#17
Posted: 3/2/07 at 1:43pm
Posted: 3/2/07 at 1:43pm
They're going to have to divide up amongst themselves the $40 I spent on the first two DVDs. I haven't even purshached III or Plays yet.
"The Spectacle has, indeed, an emotional attraction of its own, but, of all the parts, it is the least artistic, and connected least with the art of poetry. For the power of Tragedy, we may be sure, is felt even apart from representation and actors. Besides, the production of spectacular effects depends more on the art of the stage machinist than on that of the poet."
--Aristotle
--Aristotle
re: Performers in 'Broadway's Lost Treasures' DVD Series Threatening to Sue#18
Posted: 3/2/07 at 1:44pm
Posted: 3/2/07 at 1:44pm
I was a bit shocked when I read this. It was rather disappointing to see this happening. This possibly eliminates chances of getting any other Lost Treasures volume and diminishes the chances of having more shows released on DVD.
And yes, I doubt Angela Lansbury, Bea Arthur, Patti LuPone, and Joan Allen are asking for compensation.
And yes, I doubt Angela Lansbury, Bea Arthur, Patti LuPone, and Joan Allen are asking for compensation.
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re: Performers in 'Broadway's Lost Treasures' DVD Series Threatening to Sue#19
Posted: 3/2/07 at 1:46pm
Posted: 3/2/07 at 1:46pm
It doesn't eliminate the chances of new productions. Just doesn't help older ones.
"The Spectacle has, indeed, an emotional attraction of its own, but, of all the parts, it is the least artistic, and connected least with the art of poetry. For the power of Tragedy, we may be sure, is felt even apart from representation and actors. Besides, the production of spectacular effects depends more on the art of the stage machinist than on that of the poet."
--Aristotle
--Aristotle
re: Performers in 'Broadway's Lost Treasures' DVD Series Threatening to Sue#20
Posted: 3/2/07 at 1:50pm
Posted: 3/2/07 at 1:50pm
This is ridiculous! I see their point, but to sue over this . . . Why is this suit coming out now? Why didn't they do somehting when the "Broadway's Lost Treasures" was first televised?
"In theater, the process of it is the experience. Everyone goes through the process, and everyone has the experience together. It doesn't last - only in people's memories and in their hearts. That's the beauty and sadness of it. But that's life - beauty and the sadness. And that is why theater is life." - Sherie Rene Scott
re: Performers in 'Broadway's Lost Treasures' DVD Series Threatening to Sue#21
Posted: 3/2/07 at 1:56pm
Posted: 3/2/07 at 1:56pm
"This is why we can't have nice things."
Hahaha, I love it.
I'm really annoyed at the performers for doing this. Don't they realize how much exposure they're getting? Broadway's Lost Treasures, for instance, introduced me to the Kiss of the Spider Woman. I wouldn't have purchased the OBC otherwise.
Hahaha, I love it.
I'm really annoyed at the performers for doing this. Don't they realize how much exposure they're getting? Broadway's Lost Treasures, for instance, introduced me to the Kiss of the Spider Woman. I wouldn't have purchased the OBC otherwise.
Jimmy, what are you doing here in the middle of the night? It's almost 9 PM!
re: Performers in 'Broadway's Lost Treasures' DVD Series Threatening to Sue#22
Posted: 3/2/07 at 2:06pm
Posted: 3/2/07 at 2:06pm
When I was in China I was shocked to find one of these DVDs among the bootlegs selling for about 1 US dollar. I mean seriously? A bootleg Broadway's Lost Treasures?
re: Performers in 'Broadway's Lost Treasures' DVD Series Threatening to Sue#23
Posted: 3/2/07 at 2:13pm
Posted: 3/2/07 at 2:13pm
i noticed that it was the out of work "chorus kids" bring this bullsh*t up. blah! glad i got the DVDs when i could.


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re: Performers in 'Broadway's Lost Treasures' DVD Series Threatening to Sue#24
Posted: 3/2/07 at 7:10pm
Posted: 3/2/07 at 7:10pm
If there was any chance of a 4th musical DVD, this kills it
This is not a ton of money they are talking about but, what the hell, when in doubt on anything sue
This is not a ton of money they are talking about but, what the hell, when in doubt on anything sue
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Posted: 3/2/07 at 12:55pm