The return of Spacey
The return of Spacey
behindthescenes2
Stand-by Joined: 7/30/12
#1The return of Spacey
Posted: 5/16/21 at 1:01pm
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/14/arts/kevin-spacey-anonymous-accuser.html
So as this river runs its course, there will probably be no doubt that he will eventually return to perform despite those who wish it not to be. Considering ALL of the unscrupulous people that still work in theater and media, ie. producers, directors, costume designers, set designers, make up and hair designers, union supervisors, and yes the actors, to punish one, should be to punish all. You would think that would happen, and yet, if you have worked in this industry as long as I have (30 plus) you know that will never be the case, especially having personally witnessed the tasks requested of others and me who were in power to do things that have have nothing to do with the job you were hired for, but if refused, there would be no job. Rudin won't disappear, either and neither will the theater owners, who have yet to bring backstage areas up to sufficient codes to protect the workers, and the directors, and producers and union supervisors who will continue to behave in this manner. Enlightenment in regards to for a lack of better term, "being woke," is a phase a momentary pause. Money and the power it brings will always have its way, especially when objections or accusations are positioned to be he said/he said, she said/he said/ and all the pronouns that can be used in between.
#2The return of Spacey
Posted: 5/16/21 at 1:16pmKevin, we know you’re bored at home with nothing to do, but maybe find a hobby. Like pottery. Or baking. The theatre doesn’t want you back.
Sutton Ross
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/20/13
#3The return of Spacey
Posted: 5/16/21 at 1:42pm
It is not uncommon these days for accusers to bring sexual assault cases anonymously and then, if they fail to negotiate settlements out of court, to be ordered by judges to come forward in their own name before taking their claims to trial, legal experts said.
If you are asking for a settlement, you have to identify yourself. I agree with the judge, completely.
That being said, I sincerely doubt anyone will hire him ever again. He has a lot of money, he can just exist on an island somewhere for the rest of his days.
JSquared2
Broadway Legend Joined: 3/23/17
#4The return of Spacey
Posted: 5/16/21 at 2:39pm
behindthescenes2 said: "https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/14/arts/kevin-spacey-anonymous-accuser.html
So as this river runs its course, there will probably be no doubt that he will eventually return to perform despite those who wish it not to be. Considering ALL of the unscrupulous people that still work in theater and media, ie. producers, directors, costume designers, set designers, make up and hair designers, union supervisors, and yes the actors, to punish one,should be topunish all. You would think that would happen, and yet, if you have worked in this industry as long as I have (30 plus) you know that will never be the case, especially having personally witnessed the tasks requested of others and me who were in powerto do things that have have nothing to do with the job you were hired for, but ifrefused, there would be no job. Rudin won't disappear, either and neither will the theater owners, who have yet to bring backstage areas up to sufficient codes to protect the workers,and the directors, and producers and union supervisors who will continue to behave in this manner. Enlightenment in regards tofor a lack of better term, "being woke," is a phase a momentary pause. Money and the power it brings will always have its way, especially when objections or accusations arepositioned to be he said/he said, she said/he said/ and all the pronouns that can be usedin between.
Was there a point in there somewhere? If so I certainly couldn’t find it.
Tom5
Broadway Star Joined: 9/23/11
#5The return of Spacey
Posted: 5/16/21 at 2:47pm
Mr. Spacey was the artistic director of The Old Vic for a decade, occasionally acting in some of their productions. If many stories from the actors under and totally dependent of him are to be believed by he did not always use his power for good.
Dolly80
Broadway Star Joined: 5/15/11
#6The return of Spacey
Posted: 5/16/21 at 2:55pm
Tom5 said: "Mr. Spacey was the artistic director of The Old Vic for a decade, occasionally acting in some of their productions. If many stories from the actors under and totally dependent of him are to be believed byhe did not always use his power for good."
No sh*t Sherlock.
He won’t ever act again. He’s poison and no one wants to see him on stage or screen anymore. And if some tried to cast him, it will cause such outrage that they will have to drop him.
Dollypop
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/15/03
#7The return of Spacey
Posted: 5/16/21 at 4:16pm
Dolly80 said: "Tom5 said: "Mr. Spacey was the artistic director of The Old Vic for a decade, occasionally acting in some of their productions. If many stories from the actors under and totally dependent of him are to be believed byhe did not always use his power for good."
No sh*t Sherlock.
He won’t ever act again. He’s poison and no one wants to see him on stage or screen anymore. And if some tried to cast him, it will cause such outrage that they will have to drop him."
I guess the same is true for Stephen Collins. I used to enjoy him both on stage and on television
"Long live God!" (GODSPELL)
ErmengardeStopSniveling
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/20/18
#8The return of Spacey
Posted: 5/16/21 at 4:17pm
Dolly80 said: "He won’t ever act again."
I personally would never pay to see him act again, BUT:
There's at least one slimey, prominent Broadway producer who had data polled with "prolific New York theatergoers" about, among other things, actors who have been cancelled, and Spacey is someone who they would overwhelmingly like to see onstage. The belief is that (a) Spacey could be hired cheap and would still be a ticket draw in limited-engagement small-cast plays, and (b) Spacey was never as wealthy as some of these other cancelled men and he will need to work. (And as we've seen from his bat**** Christmas Eve videos, he doesn't intend to fully disappear from the public spotlight.)
Dolly80
Broadway Star Joined: 5/15/11
#9The return of Spacey
Posted: 5/16/21 at 4:56pm
ErmengardeStopSniveling said: "Dolly80 said: "He won’t ever act again."
I personally would never pay to see him act again, BUT:
There's at least one slimey, prominent Broadway producer who had data polled with "prolific New York theatergoers" about, among other things, actors who have been cancelled, and Spacey is someone who they would overwhelmingly like to see onstage. The belief is that (a)Spacey could be hired cheap and would still be a ticketdraw inlimited-engagement small-cast plays, and (b) Spacey was never as wealthy as some of these other cancelled men and he willneedto work. (And as we've seen from his bat**** Christmas Eve videos, he doesn't intend to fully disappear from the public spotlight.)"
There’s no way that someone with Spaceys ego would work for cheap. He’ll have enough money to live without working again.
Jarethan
Broadway Legend Joined: 2/10/11
#10The return of Spacey
Posted: 5/16/21 at 4:58pm
ErmengardeStopSniveling said: "Dolly80 said: "He won’t ever act again."
I personally would never pay to see him act again, BUT:
There's at least one slimey, prominent Broadway producer who had data polled with "prolific New York theatergoers" about, among other things, actors who have been cancelled, and Spacey is someone who they would overwhelmingly like to see onstage. The belief is that (a)Spacey could be hired cheap and would still be a ticketdraw inlimited-engagement small-cast plays, and (b) Spacey was never as wealthy as some of these other cancelled men and he willneedto work. (And as we've seen from his bat**** Christmas Eve videos, he doesn't intend to fully disappear from the public spotlight.)"
Do you really believe that? I don't for a second. He is a predator who took advantage of people a lot younger than he. I actually wonder whether he will end up in jail before this is all over, a la Bill Cosby. It took a long, long time for Bill Cosby to be tried and convicted.
Sutton Ross
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/20/13
#11The return of Spacey
Posted: 5/16/21 at 5:00pm
Spacey was never as wealthy as some of these other cancelled men and he will need to work.
He is worth 100 million dollars. He has no family and no expenses other than himself. He will be fine for the next 20 years.
#12The return of Spacey
Posted: 5/16/21 at 5:45pm
From what I have read, his crimes were: supposedly lifting up and putting down a 14 year actor in the 80s without any sort of forced sexual assault; also he hit on a bunch of straight guys. No, I don't think he is the demon that the media has portrayed him to be.
henrikegerman
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/29/05
#13The return of Spacey
Posted: 5/16/21 at 5:48pm
I'm fine with him staying in exile.
But what kind of business coddles Mel Gibson but draws the line at Kevin Spacey?
ErmengardeStopSniveling
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/20/18
#14The return of Spacey
Posted: 5/16/21 at 5:55pm
If he wants to work again, he will have to start by working for cheap (if anyone will hire him, which I do find doubtful despite what I shared above). But working for cheap can also mean union minumum salary + backend points, so his payday depends on how much of a draw he would be.
Let's also remember that internet figures about an actor's net worth are always wildly off.
#15The return of Spacey
Posted: 5/16/21 at 6:32pm
"From what I have read"
And you clearly have not read a lot
Sutton Ross
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/20/13
#16The return of Spacey
Posted: 5/16/21 at 6:44pm
I love that you think Kevin Spacey is somehow hard up or NEEDS to work because he can't pay his gas bill or some sh*t.
He was in 65 episodes of House of Cards. He made $500k per episode every single episode so that's over $30 million right there. And the fact that for 25 years made between $2 - $6 million for pretty much every film he did......yeah no. The internet is correct and you are not.
Kevin is a wealthy white man in America. He will be just fine forever.
#17The return of Spacey
Posted: 5/16/21 at 8:20pm
Sutton Ross said: "He will be just fine forever."
I know you mean that in financial terms but it's worth pointing out that not everyone does things solely for money and in particular when one already has lots of it, one of the normal side benefits is that you can choose to do what you enjoy instead of what pays the most. That's not a prerogative Spacey enjoys now because (save some slimeball) no one is going to hire him, most will not work with him, and if he shows his face anywhere he will be poorly received. So in that sense, which I suspect is more important to him than the money, he will not be fine ever.
Sutton Ross
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/20/13
#18The return of Spacey
Posted: 5/16/21 at 8:33pm
Well, since you don't know him and knew what I meant....everything else is moot. 
#19The return of Spacey
Posted: 5/16/21 at 10:28pm
JSquared2 said: "behindthescenes2 said: "https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/14/arts/kevin-spacey-anonymous-accuser.html
So as this river runs its course, there will probably be no doubt that he will eventually return to perform despite those who wish it not to be. Considering ALL of the unscrupulous people that still work in theater and media, ie. producers, directors, costume designers, set designers, make up and hair designers, union supervisors, and yes the actors, to punish one,should be topunish all. You would think that would happen, and yet, if you have worked in this industry as long as I have (30 plus) you know that will never be the case, especially having personally witnessed the tasks requested of others and me who were in powerto do things that have have nothing to do with the job you were hired for, but ifrefused, there would be no job. Rudin won't disappear, either and neither will the theater owners, who have yet to bring backstage areas up to sufficient codes to protect the workers,and the directors, and producers and union supervisors who will continue to behave in this manner. Enlightenment in regards tofor a lack of better term, "being woke," is a phase a momentary pause. Money and the power it brings will always have its way, especially when objections or accusations arepositioned to be he said/he said, she said/he said/ and all the pronouns that can be usedin between.
Was there a point in there somewhere? If so I certainly couldn’t find it."
The point I understood was that the system nailed Spacey while individuals within various departments are just as guilty of bad treatment.
#20The return of Spacey
Posted: 5/16/21 at 10:43pm
Jarethan wrote, in part: "Do you really believe that? I don't for a second. Heis a predator who took advantage of people a lot younger than he. I actually wonder whether he will end up in jail before this is all over, a la Bill Cosby. It took a long, long time for Bill Cosby to be tried and convicted."
Actually, the Philly district attorney did seek a prosecution for criminal rape, but claimed there wasn't sufficient evidence to charge him w/rape of a Temple Univ Phs Ed teacher. Cosby gave graduation speeches every year b/c he graduated from Temple and was a beloved Philly icon.
So the woman sued him for $. He settled that case and admitted in a deposition that he gave her date drugs. But before admitting and settling the case, the District Atty agreed that if Cosby settled the civil case for $ then the DA WOULD NOT use the evidence or admissions from the civil case against him in another criminal prosecution. So Cosby settled.
Another DA was elected and realized that the previous DA never granted that promise in solid agreement. The blame ultimately fell on Cosby's attorney at the time. So the new DA attempted to bring criminal charges. Cosby's new attorneys cried foul saying he only settled for $ because the previous DA promised never to seek a criminal trial.
That dispute went through the courts in Pennsylvania where various judges ruled that Cosby could be charged because the original agreement was screwed up. So the criminal trial went forward and he was convicted. It's back in the courts on appeal.
#21The return of Spacey
Posted: 5/16/21 at 11:47pm
Impeach2017 said: "From what I have read, hiscrimes were: supposedly lifting up and putting down a 14 year actor in the 80s without any sort of forced sexual assault; also he hit on a bunch of straight guys. No, I don't think he is the demon that the media has portrayed him to be."
One man came forward who was in his mid-teens when he had sexual relationship with a twenty-something Spacey in Manhattan in the 1980’s. I get that “it was a different time” but I just can’t get past it...and neither will Broadway or Hollywood. That account, plus the Anthony Rapp thing and the many other stories that emerged...he’s done.
RippedMan
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/14/05
#22The return of Spacey
Posted: 5/17/21 at 3:12am
But to say he can just comfortably live for the rest of your life, you don't know his situation. I'm not defending him, I don't care, but nothing that's been said seems to be that crazy. My grandmother - of his generation - was married at 16. So a 20 something in a relationship with a teen .. doesn't seem like some weird "monster" attitude... But the internet is what it is.
#23The return of Spacey
Posted: 5/17/21 at 3:25am
I can't understand what this thread is about. Not much interested in figuring it out, either.
#24The return of Spacey
Posted: 5/17/21 at 4:31am
I do not think he will return to acting. Such a shame for he was one of the most talented actors of his generation. I wonder if John Barrowman will receive the same fate. Maybe not since he does not have the fame Spacey has.
Sutton Ross
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/20/13
