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Lotterys and Rush tickets will now be a thing of the past?

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When Broadway commercial theater does return  ( probably at the end of 2021)  .. I can't see how the discount options could exist.   Just something going thru my brain on a bored Sunday morning.  Thoughts?

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It wont let me correct the spelling.

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Unless it’s something like “The Music Man”, shows will depend on discounts to get people back into the theaters. You think a 1100 people are gonna pay full price to see “Chicago” 8x a week?
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Jordan Catalano said: "Unless it’s something like “The Music Man”, shows will depend on discounts to get people back into the theaters. You think a 1100 people are gonna pay full price to see “Chicago” 8x a week?"

You might be right.  I guess I didn't look at it that way.  My thinking was  that even with a vaccine people wouldn't want to go back to packed houses.. and because of the limited seating prices would sky rocket. 

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I would think that if a vaccine has been administered to the general public and proven effective, there won't really be a reason for seating restrictions after a while - assuming we are "back to normal." In terms of people being hesitant to come back, I could see more discounts being offered as a way to try to fill seats.
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MattieIce2018 said: "I would think that if a vaccine has been administered to the general public and proven effective, there won't really be a reason for seating restrictions after a while - assuming we are "back to normal." In terms of people being hesitant to come back, I could see more discounts being offered as a way to try to fill seats."

I don't know.  I have always been bothered by the tight New York houses.   Every time I go to the city for a theater week I  come home home with a cold or something.  I think even with a vaccine things are going to be very different.  And as a theater lover that luckily has the means..  I would pay a little more for a seat with some space and a little distance.  In reading some of the articles and reports out there on how to proceed;  my guess is that there wont be as many people packed in and that because of that some of the discounted options will be eliminated.   We will see..  I hope. 

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Updated On: 9/13/20 at 02:09 PM
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producers have always looked for the sweet spot between full price and discounts. That will not and cannot change. If a show can't bring in enough money by hook or crook, it won't run; same as always (not counting the tyros who live in fantasy land [or Davenport LOL]). 

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HogansHero said: "producers have always looked for the sweet spot between full price and discounts. That will not and cannot change. If a show can't bring in enough money by hook or crook, it won't run; same as always (not counting the tyros who live in fantasy land [or Davenport LOL])."

 Well of course.. I understand commercial theater is all about making money.      But if they are forced ( even with a vaccine)  to remove or block seats ( as has been mentioned in many future plans)  ..wouldn't the remaining seats be more expensive?  

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Also - even when we have a vaccine and everyone is vaccinated - some people will, for the rest of their lives, wear a mask in public. I don’t think any of us will ever again see a full theater, amusement park, shopping mall etc. without a lot of people wearing face masks.
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DAME said: "HogansHero said: "producers have always looked for the sweet spot between full price and discounts. That will not and cannot change. If a show can't bring in enough money by hook or crook, it won't run; same as always (not counting the tyros who live in fantasy land [or Davenport LOL])."

Well of course.. I understand commercial theater is all about making money. But if they are forced ( even with a vaccine) to remove or block seats ( as has been mentioned in many future plans) ..wouldn't the remaining seats be more expensive?
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Dynamic pricing will take on a more vivd  range.

 

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DAME said: "But if they are forced ( even with a vaccine) to remove or block seats ( as has been mentioned in many future plans) ..wouldn't the remaining seats be more expensive?"

First of all I do not think we will see Broadway (meaningfully) until they do not have to block or remove seats, but accepting your premise, the market still determines how much seats sell for. Now I think a lot of shows will not get out of the starting block because of a concern about not being able to project a sweet spot that avoids losses (and that will be true even without social distancing), but once running they will do as they always have and discount if need be to maximize revenue.

Re masks, I think there will be some people who will wear masks but I think it will fairly quickly become a fringe minority, just as it always has post-epidemics. As I have said before, history is a great teacher. How many masks did you see in HK in '07 or anywhere in the roaring 20s etc etc etc?

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You might be right.

He is 100% right.

or Davenport LOL

HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA. That guy sucks.

 But if they are forced ( even with a vaccine)  to remove or block seats ( as has been mentioned in many future plans)  ..wouldn't the remaining seats be more expensive?

They are not doing that on Broadway. They need/want to make as much money as possible, like any business. They will open when a vaccine is found and it's no longer a concern, but not before then.

 

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Sutton Ross said: "You might be right.

He is 100% right.

or Davenport LOL

HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA. That guy sucks.

But if they are forced ( even with a vaccine) to remove or block seats ( as has been mentioned in many future plans) ..wouldn't the remaining seats be more expensive?

They are not doing that on Broadway. They need/want to make as much money as possible, like any business. They will open when a vaccine is found and it's no longer a concern, but not before then.


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They don't even know what they are or aren't doing.  And no one is arguing the point that they want to make as much money as possible.  And even after a vaccine is out it will be a concern for at least a couple of years. 

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I'll clarify my point, they aren't removing or blocking seats, they already stated that isn't profitable. 

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Vaccine or not, my husband and I will wear face masks for the remainder of our lives.  Whether in a theater or the great outdoors, we will wear a mask.  It's not an inconvenience for us.

 

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Updated On: 9/13/20 at 03:07 PM
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Highland Guy said: "Vaccine or not, my husband and I will wear face masks for the remainder of our lives. Whether in a theater or the great outdoors, we will wear a mask. It's not an inconvenience for us.

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Not a inconvenience for me either.  I just don't know if I will ever want to sit at the Booth or the Music Box or theaters like that where the person behind you is breathing down your neck.  Mask or no mask.

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I am not really trying to persuade either of you of anything but I would just counsel patience in making pronouncements right now. We are still in the middle of a pandemic, and you are reacting based on that. It's totally understandable but I think it is worthwhile not to predetermine what your frame of mind might be at some point in the future. 

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I am inclined to agree with the argument that a successful vaccine and time will have people returning to the theatre and other 'close quarters' events, because people will not want to forego those things indefinitely.

On the other hand, I always thought it was interesting that -- pre-pandemic -- if you saw any movie, documentary, news story, etc., that as filmed in eastern Asia, e.g., China, Korea, Japan, you would see lots of people walking around with masks.  I would not be shocked to see a sizable number people who are willingly wearing masks today (vs. the idiotic deniers always citing that their civil rights are being violated) continuing to wear masks at crowded events where people are going to be on top of you.  Probably not true, but I would not be surprised if it occurred for a decent amount of time post-vaccine).

The flaw in this argument, of course, is that the people sitting behind Dame at the Music Box will not be wearing masks and they will be the ones coughing up a storm, so it won't necessarily matter if Dame wears one.  Hopefully, they will only be sharing their common cold or occasional flu (assuming we have a fool-proof vaccine).

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HogansHero said: "I am not really trying to persuade either of you of anything but I would just counsel patience in making pronouncements right now. We are still in the middle of a pandemic, and you are reacting based on that. It's totally understandable but I think it is worthwhile not to predetermine what your frame of mind might be at some point in the future."

True.  Just chit chat.

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I don't think masks pose a problem for me- the more I go outside to get some air, the more I've warmed up to them. They're certainly not uncomfortable, I'm still able to breathe just fine, and I will probably be okay wearing them for lengthier periods of time eventually. I too will wear one wherever I go.

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HogansHero said: "I am not really trying to persuade either of you of anything but I would just counsel patience in making pronouncements right now. We are still in the middle of a pandemic, and you are reacting based on that. It's totally understandable but I think it is worthwhile not to predetermine what your frame of mind might be at some point in the future."

 

No, I am "reacting" based on the fact that my grandfather (age 54) and uncle (age 18) both died in January 1919 from that era's Pandemic.  And that my father (age 16 at the time) had lifelong lung disease from the virus, and died at the early age of 69 clutching a rescue inhaler in his hand.  Again, my husband and I have made the decision to wear face masks for the remainder of our lives.  We will do what we think is best to preserve our health and lives.  It is the right decision for us.

 

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Nope. A lottery winner is a person who will pay for a 20 dollar seat, and be convinced theatre is safe and be reminded how much they miss it. It might not be the best alternative if you look at a single production, but looking at the larger scheme of things, it's very smart.

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Jordan Catalano said: "Also - even when we have a vaccine and everyone is vaccinated - some people will, for the rest of their lives, wear a mask in public. I don’t think any of us will ever again see a full theater, amusement park, shopping mall etc. without a lot of people wearing face masks."



Why? That's a genuine question. Unless it's a filtering mask and not the cloth or disposable masks that most people are wearing, it does little to protect you.

For fall/winter, I was already used to the trend in Asian countries of wearing masks outdoors. But if it's safe enough to be in a theater, I don't see myself wearing a mask indoors.

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I don't doubt that some people will continue to choose to wear masks long after they're mandated though I don't think it will be a huge number. But I also think people will cram into things again. Not just Broadway theaters but concerts, political rallies and conventions (even non-Trump ones haha), athletic events, etc. I don't see distancing being a permanent change to our society in any of those areas that weren't before. It's just a matter of when it will go back, not if, in my opinion. And it will probably be a gradual return to crowds because people will return to being comfortable with it in their own time.

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Some people were germophobes before covid. Maybe a few more will be after. Everyone gets to decide how they want to engage the outside world. 

I will say that there is not much to be gained from paying attention to people on this subject right now. We are in the middle of a pandemic. Our collective mental health is shot. Some people think this will never end, just like some think the economy will never recover. But once the fact of recovery is staring most people in the face, they will take off their masks, they will stop hording gold, and they will get enthusiastic about the explosion of art and commerce that will define the next decade. Pipe dream? No. History. Science. Math.

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