Chad Kimball- Page 4

[HogansHero]

Sutton Ross said: " He'll be just fine at Come From Away without your support, trust."

My opinion: he will not be coming back and the show won't be coming back.

[Sutton Ross]

BroadwayNYC2 said: "Yea no, you don’t get to actively support a party that seeks to dismantle the rights of so many people who work in the Broadway community. That’s that on that."

Omg, SO clever. Yeah no, the thing about a professional job is they don't/can't fire you for your religious or political beliefs. That's....that's not how that works. I doubt you know anything about him, his long career, or anything about how a professional job actually works but that's that on that? 

Hogan, it seems like he cannot wait for his industry to come back and for him to go back to work. As it should be. 

[Fosse76]

Sutton Ross said: "BroadwayNYC2 said: "Yea no, you don’t get to actively support a party that seeks to dismantle the rights of so many people who work in the Broadway community. That’s that on that."

Omg, SO clever. Yeah no, the thing about a professional job is they don't/can't fire you for your religious or political beliefs. That's....that's not how that works."

Although some states may have laws that offer a little protection, you can absolutely be fired for political beliefs.

[HogansHero]

Sutton Ross said: "Hogan, it seems like he cannot wait for his industry to come back and for him to go back to work. As it should be."

That's all well and good but he has to get hired and I think that is going to be a problem. (tbc regarding the other post regarding firings, you cannot fire someone from an Equity contract for political beliefs, regardless of what state you are in. )

[yankeefan7]

"That's all well and good but he has to get hired and I think that is going to be a problem. (tbc regarding the other post regarding firings, you cannot fire someone from an Equity contract for political beliefs, regardless of what state you are in. )"

Well I think it will be quite sad if he has problem getting hired in the future and the reason is his political beliefs. There are many circumstances with people in sports and entertainment industry that have actually committed crimes like domestic violence and cruelty to animals and still were able to work in their chosen field. Maybe it is me (lol) but if he is talented enough for the role and has a history of working well with his peers and bosses, his political tweets expressing a opinion should not prevent him from getting hired.

[yankeefan7]

"My opinion: he will not be coming back and the show won't be coming back."

That will be a shame, I absolutely loved that show !!

[LizzieCurry]

HH, why do you think the show won't be back?

[HogansHero]

yankeefan7 said: "Well I think it will be quite sad if he has problem getting hired in the future and the reason is his political beliefs. There are many circumstances with people in sports and entertainment industry that have actually committed crimes like domestic violence and cruelty to animals and still were able to work in their chosen field. Maybe it is me (lol) but if he is talented enough for the role and has a history of working well with his peers and bosses, his political tweets expressing a opinion should not prevent him from getting hired."

I think the key words in what you wrote are "working well with his peers." How comfortable will people be working with someone who harbors antiethical prejudices? As I think I mentioned already, imagine casting Memphis today. 

[HogansHero]

LizzieCurry said: "HH, why do you think the show won't be back?"

Its target market is tourists, and I don't think shows dependent on tourists are going to see enough of a return of their market until the Spring of '22 (all other things being equal). As I think I have said in other threads, I think we are going to be surprised what shows are able to reopen in the Fall of '21 without tourists, including some that are a lot more "evergreen" than CFA. 

[Tag]

If anything, CFA will be a strong contender to come back first.
-one of the few "current" shows with NO intermission
-relatively cheap to run vs. large scale musical
-feel good show, that everyone walks away from with a smile
-content related to NYC

Also a retweet from 2020 will not affect his chances to get hired back on CFA or another project in 2022 or beyond.  As we've seen with outrage on this board many times recently, that doesn't translate to real life.

[latitudex1]

The framing of QAnon conspiracy belief and full adoption of "Only Trump can save us!!!!" rhetoric as "a difference of political beliefs" and not as the utterly and completely deranged and dangerous thought that it is all in the aim to feel better about liking a particular artist is... Ridiculous and shameful.

I would think that most on this board would be less ignorant, but I would suggest some of you educate yourselves quite a bit.

[HogansHero]

Tag said: "If anything, CFA will be a strong contender to come back first.
-one of the few "current" shows with NOintermission
-relatively cheap to run vs. large scale musical
-feel good show, that everyone walks away from with a smile
-content related to NYC

Also a retweet from 2020 will not affect his chances to get hired back on CFA or another project in 2022 or beyond. As we've seen with outrage on this board many times recently, that doesn't translate to real life."

re CFA, none of what you point out explains how a show reopens until its target audience has returned in substantial numbers. re CK, you misapprehend the situation. This is not about "outrage on this board" but rather about the unwillingness of actors (and others) to work with someone who has made clear his support of an agenda predicated on racism, sexism, homophobia (+many etc's). Chad is not someone who would be considered an "essential worker": i.e., he does not sell tickets. 

[Tag]

I think you're miscalculating the reach and awareness of his Twitter retweets.
No actors are going to be in a position to turn down work (nor would they have pre-covid) because he's also in the same acting ensemble.  As with most people in society, grown-ups can separate a professional working relationship with someone's private life & beliefs.

[HogansHero]

Tag said: "I think you're miscalculating the reach and awareness of hisTwitter retweets.
No actors are going to be in a position to turn down work (nor would they have pre-covid)because he's also in the same actingensemble. As with most people in society, grown-ups can separate a professional working relationship with someone's private life & beliefs."

First of all, I am not sure why you are using "retweets." Is that some sort of minimization? This is not merely about some innocent retweets. 

Secondly, you misapprehend the awareness level of Broadway actors on this subject.

The remainder of your post reflects a painful naiveté about actors, agents, producers, and this business and how it operates.   

 

[Jarethan]

Sutton Ross said: "But we don't have to if we don't want to.

Thank you for the most third grade response, ever. He'll be just fine at Come From Away without your support, trust."

Admittedly, a little smug / dismissive there.  My point is that I personally choose not to see someone leading a show when I find his / her political views reprehensible; note: not because I simply disagree, but because I find his / her views reprehensible.    I specifically said that I would not forego an ensemble show (i.e., in which s/he is one of many) as that would be going too far, so CFA would not be impacted; however, If someone announced that Chad Kimball was going to be starring in the next expected mega-hit, I would wait for him to leave.  My decision and I am not telling you what to do.

Ironically, I doubt that Chad Kimball will ever get another leading role, considering the weird performance he gave in Memphis (after initially giving a straightforward one).  Layer his politics on top of that, then the fact that he is not now and never has been even remotely a box-office attraction, and there is no good reason for a producer to hire him.  He has talent, but so do a lot of other people.

[LizzieCurry]

Right, the point isn't always "I'm skipping this show because I want this person in it/on the creative team to be destitute." It's "I'm skipping this show because it's the right thing for me to do."

[yankeefan7]

"How comfortable will people be working with someone who harbors antiethical prejudices? As I think I mentioned already, imagine casting Memphis today. "

Just curious. Has anybody heard Montego Glover or any other black cast member in "Memphis" speak out against Chad Kimball tweets/beliefs?

[Sutton Ross]

No, because as Tag said very succinctly "As with most people in society, grown-ups can separate a professional working relationship with someone's private life & beliefs." Perfect. 

I doubt that Chad Kimball will ever get another leading role, considering the weird performance he gave in Memphis (after initially giving a straightforward one). 

Yikes. You are going to feel absolutely horrible for saying that. Chad was suffering from nerve damage among other serious health issues for the last year and a half of Memphis. 

[Fosse76]

HogansHero said: "Sutton Ross said: "Hogan, it seems like he cannot wait for his industry to come back and for him to go back to work. As it should be."

That's all well and good but he has to get hired and I think that is going to be a problem. (tbc regarding the other post regarding firings, you cannot fire someone from an Equity contract for political beliefs, regardless of what state you are in. )"

I meant generally speaking. Contracts would obviously outline termination procedures. However, contract employees can be "terminated" with a buyout of the contract.  And a producer doesn't need a reason for that.

[Jarethan]

Sutton Ross said: "No, because as Tag said very succinctly "As with most people in society, grown-ups can separate a professional working relationship with someone's private life & beliefs." Perfect.

I doubt that Chad Kimball will ever get another leading role, considering the weird performance he gave in Memphis (after initially giving a straightforward one).

Yikes. You are going to feel absolutely horrible for saying that. Chad was suffering from nerve damage among other serious health issues for the last year and a half of Memphis."

Not really.  As an audience member who paid good money to see the show a second time, if his weird performance was really attributable to a nerve condition, he probably should have left the show until he was better.  His truly weird performance was so distracting that it impacted enjoyment of the show.

[Owen22]

Sutton Ross said: "Yeah, that's a lie, he never said that.

It's so funny to me that people are shocked (SHOCKED) thatanyone on Broadway would have a different view point than Democratic Liberal. Many performers don't share their views, so I get that he stands out here, but for a poster to suggest he is anything like Amar is ridiculous and absolutely repugnant. You can disagree with someone's political opinions and still enjoy their work.

I know, I know. Shocking!"

 

Oooooooooooooooooooooo!  That Amar comparison really got to you, didn't it Sutton!  Shocking!

 

[Owen22]

Tag said: "I think you're miscalculating the reach and awareness of hisTwitter retweets.
No actors are going to be in a position to turn down work (nor would they have pre-covid)because he's also in the same actingensemble. As with most people in society, grown-ups can separate a professional working relationship with someone's private life & beliefs."

Wrong. I might be a "child" or at least not your type of "grown up", and I might have very little power in this business. But if I ever had the chance to have a say in casting Chad Kimball in anything (and I was an early, early fan of his talent) I would not!  Never.   New York City has loads and loads and loads of talent. It would be very easy to find someone just as good who's beliefs I don't find abhorrent.  The theatre world is small and I'm sure you'd disagree, but I believe a lot more people with real power think as I do.

[Sutton Ross]

Adults are talking, Owen. And nobody cares what your casting choice would be. Nobody.

If his weird performance was really attributable to a nerve condition, he probably should have left the show until he was better.  His truly weird performance was so distracting that it impacted enjoyment of the show.

Ew. 

[Owen22]

Sutton Ross said: "Adults are talking, Owen. And nobody cares what your casting choice would be. Nobody.

If his weird performance was really attributable to a nerve condition, he probably should have left the show until he was better. His truly weird performance was so distracting that it impacted enjoyment of the show.

Ew."

You are really a piece of work, Sutton Ross! I think I kind of love you!

 

[Sutton Ross]