He Won't Be Fired- Page 4

[dramamama611]

Posted: 2/15/20 at 2:53pm

Wait..did someone here call HIM corageous? I thought someone referred to Alex that way.

[Highland Guy]

Posted: 2/15/20 at 2:55pm

Luminaire2 said: "poisonivy2 said: "Highland Guy is obviously Rush Limbaugh."

I mean I’m all for discussion, disagreement,different opinions... but to call him courageous? Just gross."

 

Meanwhile (and despite your rude comments).......

"West Side Story" made the right decision to keep  Amar as a valued, talented and respected member of the company.  Throughout, and despite the nasty and often untruthful spotlight that has been placed on him, he has kept his mouth shut and done his work (and done it well).  That's all an employer can ask.  You don't fire someone because a handful of High Schoolers and others don't like him.  Yes, Amar is courageous.

 

[CarlosAlberto]

Posted: 2/15/20 at 2:55pm

Luminaire2 said: "I personally don’t want him fired. I am just annoyed over how all of this has been handled.

Also since their statement the petition has soared. Last i checked it was around 26,000+ signatures, it’s now coming on 40,000.

Amazing how you can become your own enemy if you don’t handle these things correctly."


 

Updated On: 2/15/20 at 02:55 PM

[HogansHero]

Posted: 2/15/20 at 3:37pm

Luminaire2 said: "I personally don’t want him fired. I am just annoyed over how all of this has been handled.

Also since their statement the petition has soared. Last i checked it was around 26,000+ signatures, it’s now coming on 40,000.

Amazing how you can become your own enemy if you don’t handle these things correctly."

To whom is the petition directed?

[SporkGoddess]

Posted: 2/15/20 at 4:00pm

Wait..did someone here call HIM corageous? I thought someone referred to Alex that way.

Someone called Alexandra courageous, and then another person called Amar courageous.

[Luminaire2]

Posted: 2/15/20 at 4:04pm

HogansHero said: "Luminaire2 said: "I personally don’t want him fired. I am just annoyed over how all of this has been handled.

Also since their statement the petition has soared. Last i checked it was around 26,000+ signatures, it’s now coming on 40,000.

Amazing how you can become your own enemy if you don’t handle these things correctly."

To whom is the petition directed?"

I believe the producers/show. It’s now over 40,000 signatures. It has had over 13,000+ added since WSS released their statement. They need a new PR person. 

[trpguyy]

Posted: 2/15/20 at 4:12pm

For context, 40,000 people have signed a free online petition. Over 115,000 people have paid an average of $120 to see the show, with every performance being at or near capacity. 

[sparksatmidnight]

Posted: 2/15/20 at 4:23pm

At 40.000 people, this petition holds the public of not even 3 weeks of performances IF they went all together which is not going to happen ever. It's a really small number of people compared to the public that goes to Broadway shows. Almost 80.000 people have seen the show already. Really a non-issue.

[JSquared2]

Posted: 2/15/20 at 5:04pm

trpguyy said: "For context, 40,000 people have signed a free online petition. Over 115,000 people have paid an average of $120 to see the show, with every performance being at or near capacity."

And you KNOW that a hefty block of that “40,000” are people  who sign under half a dozen different e-mail addresses. 

[HogansHero]

Posted: 2/15/20 at 5:35pm

Luminaire2 said: "I believe the producers/show. It’s now over 40,000 signatures. It has had over 13,000+ added since WSS released their statement. They need a new PR person."

That's what I assumed. 

Activism 101 teaches that, in order to have an impact, an action must have an effective target. Sending the production a petition imploring it to do something that it has already announced it is not doing (and that would be illegal in any event) is pointless to the extreme. [Let's turn this on its head for a minute and illuminate this in a way that might be more stark: suppose a theatre was sent a petition demanding that it stop admitting black people. I'm sure you realize what's wrong now.}

I'm not going to entertain the theory that petitioners have signed more than once, but let me ask another question: of these 40k signers, how many are potential audience members? To have force, one must show a consequence. I can say that I am going to boycott what's playing at the Sydney Opera House, but since I am not going down under in 2020, is it really a boycott? Has any protest actually registered in any meaningful way? (The answer seems to have been given here.) 

As I have said, I am not arguing for anything except that was is said be factual and that we not get overly excited about something that is and must be patently ineffectual.   

 

[UncleCharlie]

Posted: 2/15/20 at 6:10pm

Luminaire2 said: "HogansHero said: "Luminaire2 said: "I personally don’t want him fired. I am just annoyed over how all of this has been handled.

Also since their statement the petition has soared. Last i checked it was around 26,000+ signatures, it’s now coming on 40,000.

Amazing how you can become your own enemy if you don’t handle these things correctly."

To whom is the petition directed?"

I believe the producers/show. It’s now over 40,000 signatures. It has had over 13,000+ added since WSS released their statement. They need a new PR person."

The only reason they'd need a new PR person is because that person didn't think of staging the protest him/herself. You can't buy this kind of publicity.

"Come one, come all. Enter into the labyrinth and see the sexual deviant that's the talk of the nation as he prowls the stage and looks with contempt upon those who dare to judge him."

Updated On: 2/15/20 at 06:10 PM

[bk]

Posted: 2/15/20 at 6:23pm

JSquared2 said: "trpguyy said: "For context, 40,000 people have signed a free online petition. Over 115,000 people have paid an average of $120 to see the show, with every performance being at or near capacity."

And you KNOW that a hefty block ofthat “40,000” are people who sign under half a dozen different e-mail addresses."

Every day there are fifty new petitions for people to sing on change.org.  Every day.  And they get a lot more signatures than this and it is, of course, meaningless because, well, they're online and don't get delivered to anyone - it's idiocy.

 

[HogansHero]

Posted: 2/15/20 at 6:42pm

bk said: "Every day there are fifty new petitions for people to sing on change.org. Every day. And they get a lot more signatures than this and it is, of course, meaningless because, well, they're online and don't get delivered to anyone - it's idiocy."

There are plenty of meaningful and effective petitions on change.org so don't throw out the baby with the bathwater (to quote Durang quoting someone or other). The key points are (a) you have to think it through, (b) you have to have a strategy, and (c) you have to realize that a petition is a means not an end and in this case it appears that the only effective end is perhaps satiating someone's ego. 

[Luminaire2]

Posted: 2/15/20 at 6:44pm

HogansHero said: "bk said: "Every day there are fifty new petitions for people to sing on change.org. Every day. And they get a lot more signatures than this and it is, of course, meaningless because, well, they're online and don't get delivered to anyone - it's idiocy."

There are plenty of meaningful and effective petitions on change.org so don't throw out the baby with the bathwater (to quote Durang quoting someone or other). The key points are (a) you have to think it through, (b) you have to have a strategy, and (c) you have to realize that a petition is a means not an end and in this case it appears that the only effective end is perhaps satiating someone's ego."

I’m sure it’s more symbolic then anything. 

[Highland Guy]

Posted: 2/15/20 at 6:55pm

Perhaps it's time for a counter-protest.  Two opposing groups dancing and singing and holding up homemade signs on the sidewalk outside the theater.  Sorta like the "Jets" and the "Sharks" in real life.    

[bwayrose7]

Posted: 2/15/20 at 7:20pm

Highland Guy said: "sinister teashop said: "I think Alexandra Waterbury is a rather courageous young woman."



And I think Amar Ramasar is a rather courageous young man."

Clearly there's a lot of disagreement on whether or not he should be in this cast or not and what consequences he should have or should not have faced, but what on earth is courageous about his behavior? He and his friends acted appallingly with regards to women who were part of their lives both personally and professionally (the messages that have been released for public consumption are nauseating), got caught, briefly faced consequences but had them overturned, and he now has a significant role in a major Broadway show. Are you seriously saying that the fact he has to deal with people saying they think he shouldn't have gotten off so easy is "courageous"? Oh yes, very brave of him.

[Highland Guy]

Posted: 2/15/20 at 7:51pm

Luminaire2 said: "Best to not engage the trolls."

 

You're absolutely right.

Updated On: 2/15/20 at 07:51 PM

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Posted: 2/15/20 at 9:56pm

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