Sondheim in “Joker”
Sondheim in “Joker”
#1Sondheim in “Joker”
Posted: 10/6/19 at 12:25pmHave we discussed this? No need to think too hardly which song is involved in a pivotal, shockingly violent, plot point.
"You can't overrate Bernadette Peters. She is such a genius. There's a moment in "Too Many Mornings" and Bernadette doing 'I wore green the last time' - It's a voice that is just already given up - it is so sorrowful. Tragic. You can see from that moment the show is going to be headed into such dark territory and it hinges on this tiny throwaway moment of the voice." - Ben Brantley (2022)
"Bernadette's whole, stunning performance [as Rose in Gypsy] galvanized the actors capable of letting loose with her. Bernadette's Rose did take its rightful place, but too late, and unseen by too many who should have seen it" Arthur Laurents (2009)
"Sondheim's own favorite star performances? [Bernadette] Peters in ''Sunday in the Park,'' Lansbury in ''Sweeney Todd'' and ''obviously, Ethel was thrilling in 'Gypsy.'' Nytimes, 2000
ErmengardeStopSniveling
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/20/18
#2Sondheim in “Joker”
Posted: 10/6/19 at 12:42pm
Fun to see a bunch of Broadway guys (Douglas Hodge, Jeff McCarthy, Frank Wood, and a few others) up there on screen.
#3Sondheim in “Joker”
Posted: 10/6/19 at 2:15pmOne of the scenes also seemed inspired by the Burton Seemey Todd film!
"You can't overrate Bernadette Peters. She is such a genius. There's a moment in "Too Many Mornings" and Bernadette doing 'I wore green the last time' - It's a voice that is just already given up - it is so sorrowful. Tragic. You can see from that moment the show is going to be headed into such dark territory and it hinges on this tiny throwaway moment of the voice." - Ben Brantley (2022)
"Bernadette's whole, stunning performance [as Rose in Gypsy] galvanized the actors capable of letting loose with her. Bernadette's Rose did take its rightful place, but too late, and unseen by too many who should have seen it" Arthur Laurents (2009)
"Sondheim's own favorite star performances? [Bernadette] Peters in ''Sunday in the Park,'' Lansbury in ''Sweeney Todd'' and ''obviously, Ethel was thrilling in 'Gypsy.'' Nytimes, 2000
carnzee
Broadway Star Joined: 9/2/11
#4Sondheim in “Joker”
Posted: 10/6/19 at 3:59pmSomething about that moment felt false. A bunch of finance bros singing a Sondheim song( even his most famous one). Every reference in the movie, including this one, felt so on the nose.
#5Sondheim in “Joker”
Posted: 10/6/19 at 4:03pm
I guess when you look too closely it doesn't make much sense for them to know every single word off by heart. But I'm able to suspend disbelief. It's not a real city. In Gotham City maybe finance bros spent their nights in musicals and/or gay saunas hehe.
"You can't overrate Bernadette Peters. She is such a genius. There's a moment in "Too Many Mornings" and Bernadette doing 'I wore green the last time' - It's a voice that is just already given up - it is so sorrowful. Tragic. You can see from that moment the show is going to be headed into such dark territory and it hinges on this tiny throwaway moment of the voice." - Ben Brantley (2022)
"Bernadette's whole, stunning performance [as Rose in Gypsy] galvanized the actors capable of letting loose with her. Bernadette's Rose did take its rightful place, but too late, and unseen by too many who should have seen it" Arthur Laurents (2009)
"Sondheim's own favorite star performances? [Bernadette] Peters in ''Sunday in the Park,'' Lansbury in ''Sweeney Todd'' and ''obviously, Ethel was thrilling in 'Gypsy.'' Nytimes, 2000
carnzee
Broadway Star Joined: 9/2/11
#6Sondheim in “Joker”
Posted: 10/6/19 at 4:13pm
It reminded of that line from Golden Girls when Sophia says she knew Blanche's brother was gay because he knew every word to "Send in the Clowns."
#7Sondheim in “Joker”
Posted: 10/6/19 at 4:20pm
carnzee said: "Something about that moment felt false. A bunch of finance bros singing a Sondheim song( even his most famous one). Every reference in the movie, including this one, felt so on the nose."
Exactly.
Ben_Platt_Out
Understudy Joined: 2/2/18
#8Sondheim in “Joker”
Posted: 10/6/19 at 5:15pmI thought it was out of place as well. However, does the majority of that film’s audience know “A Little Night Music”? Wasn’t that song a hit in the 70s on the pop charts? I don’t remember. The film is worth the price of admission for Phoenix’s performance.
carnzee
Broadway Star Joined: 9/2/11
#9Sondheim in “Joker”
Posted: 10/6/19 at 5:53pm
Yes, it was a hit and the end credits use Sinatra's lovely version.
I am an admirer of Phoenix, but I felt like I've seen him do this performance before. I love him in the master.
#10Sondheim in “Joker”
Posted: 10/6/19 at 7:09pm
carnzee said: "Yes, it was a hit and the end credits use Sinatra's lovely version...."
But I believe Judy Collins' version was the bigger hit and won a Grammy Award.
Fan123
Broadway Star Joined: 8/30/08
#11Sondheim in “Joker”
Posted: 10/7/19 at 3:30am
In other "spot the musical references in DC Comics films" news, it seems the upcoming 'Birds of Prey' is going to have some kind of nod to 'Gentlemen Prefer Blondes', as per a few short snippets within the trailer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WC9tWq_W0nM
bk
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/20/03
#12Sondheim in “Joker”
Posted: 10/7/19 at 3:48am
GavestonPS said: "carnzee said: "Yes, it was a hit and the end credits use Sinatra's lovely version...."
But I believe Judy Collins' version was the bigger hit and won a Grammy Award."
Not once, but twice - Ms. Collins' version charted quite high on two separate occasions a year apart - 1975 and 1976, both staying on the chart for many weeks. I do not believe Sinatra's ever charted - his ALBUM did and went gold, but not the single.
#13Sondheim in “Joker”
Posted: 10/7/19 at 8:06am
My personal favorite is by Tom Jones. He seems to GET the two layers the song operates on better than the young and wistful Collins or the forever-on-top-of-the-world Sinatra. Like Desiree, Jones is living in a perpetual ongoing series of second acts, so the romantic and the showbiz side of it both make sense coming out of his mouth.
#14Sondheim in “Joker”
Posted: 10/7/19 at 4:51pm
This particular excerpt from a review by Glen Weldon of NPR's Arts Desk hits the nail on the head:
Arthur suffers one of his many onscreen beatings at the hands (and feet) of a bunch of Wall Street bros on the subway, who taunt him by singing "Send In The Clowns." Nearly in its entirety. (The scene goes on for a while.)
It's really the only time in this otherwise grounded, grim and gritty film that we're asked to suspend our disbelief at all — because, seriously, we're supposed to buy that a straight finance bro would be off-book on the second and third verses of a Sondheim number?
("Bro! I spent last night poundin' brews and fallin' down A Little Night Music YouTube wormhole! The Dench, bro! The Dench crushed it!" "Naw man, you gotta see my girl CZ-J in the 2009 Broadway revival, she makes Desiree's wry and winsome melancholy A THING YOU CAN FEEL IN YOUR 'NADS BRO."
#15Sondheim in “Joker”
Posted: 10/7/19 at 5:17pm
In this alternate Gotham universe if only these awful Finance bros were born 30 years later and could have seen Bernadette Peters in the role. And Arthur/The Joker, too. They all would realise that there is nothing better to live for, and there probably would be world peace.
"You can't overrate Bernadette Peters. She is such a genius. There's a moment in "Too Many Mornings" and Bernadette doing 'I wore green the last time' - It's a voice that is just already given up - it is so sorrowful. Tragic. You can see from that moment the show is going to be headed into such dark territory and it hinges on this tiny throwaway moment of the voice." - Ben Brantley (2022)
"Bernadette's whole, stunning performance [as Rose in Gypsy] galvanized the actors capable of letting loose with her. Bernadette's Rose did take its rightful place, but too late, and unseen by too many who should have seen it" Arthur Laurents (2009)
"Sondheim's own favorite star performances? [Bernadette] Peters in ''Sunday in the Park,'' Lansbury in ''Sweeney Todd'' and ''obviously, Ethel was thrilling in 'Gypsy.'' Nytimes, 2000
sng
Featured Actor Joined: 6/7/15
#16Sondheim in “Joker”
Posted: 10/8/19 at 1:12am
not only this, I believe in the upcomig "Marriage Story", Adam Driver is singing Being Alive as well. Someone give Sondheim an honorary Oscar
#17Sondheim in “Joker”
Posted: 10/8/19 at 6:35am
A seriously dull semi over praised film
Well I didn't want to get into it, but he's a Satanist.
Every full moon he sacrifices 4 puppies to the Dark Lord and smears their blood on his paino.
This should help you understand the score for Wicked a little bit more.
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