Rialto Chatter- Beetlejuice and Mockingbird get new homes?

[OrchardAndRivington]

Posted: 8/29/19 at 10:49pm

In today's Rialto Chatter, Riedel mentions that both To Kill A Mockingbird and Beetlejuice are in preliminary negotiations to move to different Shubert houses.. Where do we think they may land?

I'd imagine both will want to head into an 1100 seat house. Could Mockingbird go to the Belasco to make room for the ALW Cinderella at the Shubert? Will Beetlejuice get out of the Winter Garden for the Music Man revival by following Mamma Mia's trajectory and take over the Broadhurst (if Jagged Little Pill doesn't turn into a hit)..? 

Beetlejuice could be moot point if it's sales start to fall off over the next year, but Mockingbird looks pretty definite for a transfer...

[TotallyEffed]

Posted: 8/29/19 at 11:00pm

Beetlejuice, ya got trouble, my friend, right here.

[JBroadway]

Posted: 8/29/19 at 11:01pm

How would this  supposed "moving to make room for another show" deal work financially? Are the producers of the original tenants (Beetlejuice & Mockingbird) expected to pay for the transfer, to avoid the threat of getting the boot altogether as an alternative? Or do the producers of the incoming tenants (Music Man & Cinderella) expected to pay for it since they are the ones who want the house so badly? OR do the theatre owners (the Shuberts) offer to eat the cost in order to attract a promising tenants and keep their old ones? 

I can't imagine Beetlejuice shelling out the money to move when they are doing well (but not THAT well) at the Winter Garden. 

 

Updated On: 8/29/19 at 11:01 PM

[VotePeron]

Posted: 8/29/19 at 11:13pm

Dang so my theory in the other thread about a show moving was right! 

[ErmengardeStopSniveling]

Posted: 8/29/19 at 11:15pm

JBroadway, it's all case by case.

If Beetlejuice is not below stop-clause territory (it isn't), then perhaps the Shuberts help to pay for a move. The problem is there are no other Shubert houses that are as comparably big as the Winter Garden, so it would involve a significant downsize. That said, I do not think the show will have the stamina to move to another theatre 11 months from now.

For Mockingbird/Cinderella, that's a little different because Scott Rudin is producing both. My guess is that the cost will be shared by both.

[SouthernCakes]

Posted: 8/29/19 at 11:24pm

Belasco would suit that show beautifully.

I don’t see Beetlejuice running that much longer. It’s not doing gang busters but it’s doing fine.

[FANtomFollies]

Posted: 8/29/19 at 11:32pm

If Beetlejuice is doing so-so, moving to a smaller theatre would (in theory) boost their capacity.

[SouthernCakes]

Posted: 8/29/19 at 11:49pm

Capacity doesn’t mean much if everyone’s already buying discount tickets. It didn’t help Mamma Mia, which was basically charging the same for a lesser product.

[DoTheDood]

Posted: 8/29/19 at 11:53pm

Beetlejuice moving would be interesting as they would have to update the opening number.

[AEA AGMA SM]

Posted: 8/29/19 at 11:57pm

Even now Beetlejuice is not doing the type of business that would suggest adding up to a million dollars, or even more, would be a financially sound decision in the long run. I can't imagine that by next summer the show will be in a better place financially. Unless Rudin or the Shuberts offer to foot the bill (and I don't see that happening) then going through with a move would be extremely foolish.

[GreasedLightning]

Posted: 8/29/19 at 11:58pm

DoTheDood said: "Beetlejuice moving would be interesting as they would have to update the opening number."

I think this would be the least of their worries. 

I can’t imagine where Mockingbird might go... 

[Zion24]

Posted: 8/30/19 at 1:52am

GreasedLightning said: "DoTheDood said: "Beetlejuice moving would be interesting as they would have to update the opening number."

I think this would be the least of their worries.

I can’t imagine where Mockingbird might go..."

If the goal is to downsize for a more sustainable long run, wouldnt it be perfect in the Jacobs? I dont think anyone thinks Company is going to be there forever. I also would love to see this in the Booth...

[ACL2006]

Posted: 8/30/19 at 6:33am

I think Beetlejuice just ends up closing by the Spring(May?).

[Mm882]

Posted: 8/30/19 at 7:11am

Moving the set of Beetlejuice would be VERY tricky especially as the WG has one of the largest backstage areas and is wider than many others. I think they would have to rework things in the scenic shop

[magictodo123]

Posted: 8/30/19 at 7:39am

Can we back up a minute--has a production of Cinderella even been announced to be coming to Broadway? I missed it...(I'm not being sarcastic or anything, I literally do not remember hearing anything about this). 

[frogs_fan85]

Posted: 8/30/19 at 7:45am

I can't imagine Mockingbird would be moving until February at the earliest.  Right now there is only one theater available for the fall- the Belasco.  If they moved anytime soon the production would either have to close or move theaters again because of Girl From The North Country starting in early February... unless that production also switches theaters.

 

[CT2NYC]

Posted: 8/30/19 at 7:50am

frogs_fan85 said: "I can't imagine Mockingbird would be moving until February at the earliest. Right now there is only one theater available for the fall- the Belasco. If they moved anytime soon the production would either have to close or move theaters again because of Girl From The North Country starting in early February... unless that production also switches theaters.

"

Since Mockingbird currently has tickets on sale through July, I'm assuming they'll hold off any move until then.

[MollyJeanneMusic]

Posted: 8/30/19 at 8:17am

Well, if Beetlejuice does move, I'm sure Eddie Perfect has some very funny moving lyrics up his sleeve for opening night at least.

[Jonwo]

Posted: 8/30/19 at 9:09am

The Barrymore would be good for Mockingbird, I think if it does move, they'll want a theatre that's on two levels and not three. It's a shame the Ambassador isn't available as that would also be good.

[Huss417]

Posted: 8/30/19 at 10:04am

Maybe its just me but if discussing from a source always nice to have a link,

https://nypost.com/2019/08/29/billy-crystals-mr-saturday-night-musical-scores-early-buzz/

[VotePeron]

Posted: 8/30/19 at 10:11am

HamilHansen said: "MollyJeanneMusic said: "Well, if Beetlejuice does move, I'm sure Eddie Perfect has some very funny moving lyrics up his sleeve for opening night at least."

Well, I'm sure he will have some...lyrics up his sleeve."

I SCREAMED. Thank you for this much needed laugh.

[ErmengardeStopSniveling]

Posted: 8/30/19 at 10:26am

magictodo123 said: "Can we back up a minute--has a production of Cinderella even been announced to be coming to Broadway? I missed it...(I'm not being sarcastic or anything, I literally do not remember hearing anything about this)."

Michael Riedel is the only one who has talked about it. But he did a big story about a reading in London last spring. It's no secret that he's close with both Scott Rudin and Andrew Lloyd Webber, so if that info isn't accurate, it's at the very least the plan/hope of the creative team.

Original article: https://nypost.com/2019/05/16/cinderella-musical-gives-prince-charming-a-gay-twist/

[magictodo123]

Posted: 8/30/19 at 10:34am

ErmengardeStopSniveling said: "magictodo123 said: "Can we back up a minute--has a production of Cinderella even been announced to be coming to Broadway? I missed it...(I'm not being sarcastic or anything, I literally do not remember hearing anything about this)."

Michael Riedel is the only one who has talked about it. But he did a big story about a reading in London last spring.It's no secret that he's close with both Scott Rudin and Andrew Lloyd Webber, so if that info isn't accurate, it's at the very least the plan/hope of the creative team.

Original article:https://nypost.com/2019/05/16/cinderella-musical-gives-prince-charming-a-gay-twist/"

So I’d say this is more speculation than there actually being something coming...right? 

[ErmengardeStopSniveling]

Posted: 8/30/19 at 10:35am

CT2NYC said: "Since Mockingbird currently has tickets on sale through July, I'm assuming they'll hold off any move until then."

I would assume that's how long Ed Harris is contracted, too. Financially, it would make more sense to shut down after Labor Day and miss 2-3 weeks of the September Slump, but I don't know when Cindy is planning to open. If Rudin/Webber want to start Cindy previews in September then TKAMB would have to vacate the Shubert in July.

The show could be made to work at almost any of the Shubert playhouses. It'll just come down to what's available at that time.

[ErmengardeStopSniveling]

Posted: 8/30/19 at 10:39am

magictodo123 said: "So I’d say this is more speculation than there actually being something coming...right?"

Sure, nothing's official until there's a press release. But it also matches with other rumors (on here and elsewhere), that Rudin was going to move TKAMB and put Cinderella at the Shubert.