Broadway Real Estate for the 2019-2020 season

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Broadway Real Estate for the 2019-2020 season#151
Posted: 11/12/19 at 8:21am

magictodo123 said: "Mike Barrett said: "My guess would be Almost Famous is they're really looking to get in this season. If not, Billy Crystal makes the most sense to me. Unless theres something unannounced that we're getting. No play would ever go in here unless it had an A-lister and even then I doubt it."

I didn't read the reviews--did Almost Famous do so well that they'd try to transfer it?
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No idea but there's been rumors of a transfer forever. 

Is there any chance in the world Music Man goes here? Not ideal maybe for show viewing, but in terms of $$ making they could easily a killing there with Hugh in the show. Or, transfer Beetlejuice to the Marquis and have Hugh still take the Winter Garden. We shall see, but I think everyone is surprised Beetlejuice has caught on like it has. 

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Posted: 11/12/19 at 8:24am

Mike Barrett said: "magictodo123 said: "Mike Barrett said: "My guess would be Almost Famous is they're really looking to get in this season. If not, Billy Crystal makes the most sense to me. Unless theres something unannounced that we're getting. No play would ever go in here unless it had an A-lister and even then I doubt it."

I didn't read the reviews--did Almost Famous do so well that they'd try to transfer it?
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No idea but there's been rumors of a transfer forever.

Is there any chance in the world Music Man goes here? Not ideal maybe for show viewing, but in terms of $$ making they could easily a killing there with Hugh in the show. Or, transfer Beetlejuice to the Marquis and have Hugh still take the Winter Garden. We shall see, but I think everyone is surprised Beetlejuice has caught on like it has.
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I think a lot of people were also wondering that, but isn't it not a Shubert house? Wasn't TMM going into a Shubert theater? 

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Broadway Real Estate for the 2019-2020 season#153
Posted: 11/12/19 at 8:45am

magictodo123 said: "Mike Barrett said: "magictodo123 said: "Mike Barrett said: "My guess would be Almost Famous is they're really looking to get in this season. If not, Billy Crystal makes the most sense to me. Unless theres something unannounced that we're getting. No play would ever go in here unless it had an A-lister and even then I doubt it."

I didn't read the reviews--did Almost Famous do so well that they'd try to transfer it?
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No idea but there's been rumors of a transfer forever.

Is there any chance in the world Music Man goes here? Not ideal maybe for show viewing, but in terms of $$ making they could easily a killing there with Hugh in the show. Or, transfer Beetlejuice to the Marquis and have Hugh still take the Winter Garden. We shall see, but I think everyone is surprised Beetlejuice has caught on like it has.
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I think a lot of people were also wondering that, but isn't it not a Shubert house? Wasn't TMM going into a Shubert theater?
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Oh ya, totally forgot about that. Well this should be interesting then haha. No idea how thats all going to play out. I could still see Beetlejuice going to the Marquis but idk if they can't switch from a Shubert to non Shubert theatre. 

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Broadway Real Estate for the 2019-2020 season#154
Posted: 11/12/19 at 10:35am

Mike Barrett said: "magictodo123 said: "Mike Barrett said: "magictodo123 said: "Mike Barrett said: "My guess would be Almost Famous is they're really looking to get in this season. If not, Billy Crystal makes the most sense to me. Unless theres something unannounced that we're getting. No play would ever go in here unless it had an A-lister and even then I doubt it."

I didn't read the reviews--did Almost Famous do so well that they'd try to transfer it?
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No idea but there's been rumors of a transfer forever.

Is there any chance in the world Music Man goes here? Not ideal maybe for show viewing, but in terms of $$ making they could easily a killing there with Hugh in the show. Or, transfer Beetlejuice to the Marquis and have Hugh still take the Winter Garden. We shall see, but I think everyone is surprised Beetlejuice has caught on like it has.
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I think a lot of people were also wondering that, but isn't it not a Shubert house? Wasn't TMM going into a Shubert theater?
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Oh ya, totally forgot about that. Well this should be interesting then haha. No idea how thats all going to play out. I could still see Beetlejuice going to the Marquis but idk if they can't switch from a Shubert to non Shubert theatre."

The question isn’t whether they can make the switch, but if they can afford the switch. 

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Broadway Real Estate for the 2019-2020 season#155
Posted: 11/12/19 at 10:48am

There's no world in which Broadway's biggest star and Broadway's most powerful producer would agree to play the dank, lifeless Marquis Theatre (a Nederlander house). The Winter Garden, the Shubert, or the Broadway are basically its only options.

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Broadway Real Estate for the 2019-2020 season#156
Posted: 11/12/19 at 10:55am

ErmengardeStopSniveling said: "There's no world in which Broadway's biggest star and Broadway's most powerful producer would agree to play the dank, lifelessMarquis Theatre (a Nederlander house). The Winter Garden, the Shubert, or the Broadway are basically its only options."

Which, could hypothetically all be available. If WSS is a complete flop out of the gate (December/January) then likely this is where the show goes, in my opinion. I don't see the point in moving TKAM when their advance still seems to be pretty strong, I'm sure there are more "names" that can play Atticus, its in an iconic theatre, I see no need for a switch there. Should be interesting but if I recall The Music Man promised a theatre announcement in June, its now October. My guess is plans for the Winter Garden have changed. 

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Broadway Real Estate for the 2019-2020 season#157
Posted: 11/12/19 at 11:06am

If we're to believe Michael Riedel + posts from people "in the know" on here...

– MUSIC MAN takes the Winter Garden, with BJ either closing or relocating. It's having a great fall, but we don't know what the winter brings; there's a chance this is ready to close after a year anyways.

– CINDERELLA (Rudin & Andrew Lloyd Webber) takes the Shubert, and MOCKINGBIRD relocates to a smaller house for the third year of its run. (Or it closes if sales really soften in the next 9 months; this kind of run is rare for a play.) MOCKINGBIRD is currently on sale thru September 6, 2020, for what it's worth

I cannot see Rudin posting WEST SIDE's closing notice before the Tonys –– he and his billionaire producing partners Barry Diller and David Geffen can afford to pour money into it if the grosses drop. MUSIC MAN is going to need to put tickets on sale (actual tickets, not that mythical pre-sale chart) by next May at the latest.

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Broadway Real Estate for the 2019-2020 season#158
Posted: 11/12/19 at 11:13am

I guess I could see TKAM going to the Broadhurst. Staging would fit perfectly. I think TKAM is a much different beast of a play sales wise than anything else, including Potter. Almost everybody in this country has read or seen the movie either on their own or through their own education. The name alone is a sell, the good reviews, now plus stunt casting. Id think without having the OBC and Jeff Daniels at the helm (although I'm sure Harris isn't cheap) id think the weekly nut isn't too too crazy. Broadhurst could easily support this play. 

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Broadway Real Estate for the 2019-2020 season#159
Posted: 11/12/19 at 11:37am

TKAM could work in many Shubert playhouses. Remember, the difference in the size of the stage isn't more than ~10 feet wide/deep, and some modifications (staging/cast size) might be made for the upcoming Tour. It's more a matter of how many seats it needs to fill each week and the operating cost: 1,000 is a lot more manageable than 1,500, and having a tight ticket in a small house is better than a bunch of empty (or discounted) seats in a big house.

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Broadway Real Estate for the 2019-2020 season#160
Posted: 11/15/19 at 2:01pm

I have heard from reputable sources that BJ will be moving to a smaller Broadway theatre, albeit in a scaled-down (ready to tour) version. I am also hearing that Sing Street is virtually guaranteed a theatre, even though it hasn't even opened yet off-Broadway. 

As for other shows circling the great white way, I just don't see Almost Famous making it to Broadway this spring unless they can fill one of the roles with a big name. I saw it in San Diego and really enjoyed it. Solea Pfeiffer gave a breakout performance.

As for Dreamgirls, the London production was not ready for Broadway IMO. For Dreamgirls to work, you need 2 performers with an extraordinary stage presence for Effie and Deena. Cynthia Erivo or Adrienne Warren would be my picks for Deena and Danielle Brooks for Effie. Adrienne was fantastic as Lorell in the Robert Longbottom directed tour. As for direction, the show should be done with a director who can add more grit and more "realness" to the show. Maybe it's time for an African-American director to put his stamp on the show.

 

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Broadway Real Estate for the 2019-2020 season#161
Posted: 11/15/19 at 6:26pm
Is Billy Crystal's show delayed now? It was rumored to take the Simon, but that's out now. Maybe next season or could it take the Marquis?
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Broadway Real Estate for the 2019-2020 season#162
Posted: 11/15/19 at 8:29pm

BroadwayBaby6 said: "I am also hearing that Sing Street is virtually guaranteed a theatre, even though it hasn't even opened yet off-Broadway."

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Broadway Real Estate for the 2019-2020 season#163
Posted: 11/16/19 at 10:13am

Could something sneak into the Barrymore in time for the Tonys? Don't see The Inheritance extending past March 1. Otherwise, it looks like only the Marquis Theater is available unless something else posts a January closing date soon.

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Posted: 11/16/19 at 10:29am
Could there be a limited engagement in the Simon in the Spring before MJ?
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Broadway Real Estate for the 2019-2020 season#165
Posted: 11/16/19 at 10:34am

ACL2006 said: "Could something sneak into the Barrymore in time for the Tonys? Don't see The Inheritance extending past March 1."


Expect INHERITANCE to extend through June/July until we hear otherwise. It did $739k last week, which is pretty great for previews. Tomorrow, it should be receiving rapturous reviews on the level of “Curious Incident” and “August: Osage County,” and the think-pieces, profiles, end-of-year top 10 lists, and other press should help buoy it (alongside the existing ad campaign).

It is also basically the guaranteed frontrunner for the Pulitzer Prize (MAYBE Heroes of the Fourth Turning and Strange Loop as finalists?). And it stands a chance of losing Tony momentum to The Lehman Trilogy if it closes March 1.

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Posted: 11/16/19 at 10:58am
Like most, I cannot believe Beetlejuice is succeeding the way it is. The reviews were bad, but will it always have an audience? Or just now as it’s a viral teen sensation?

The Music Man is taking the Winter Garden, that’s done. I just feel spending millions of dollars to relocate BTJ and rebuild a set is not worth it. And will be sad if the show falls on its face. They should go out in style and tour asap.
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Posted: 11/16/19 at 11:15am
It depends. I mean, They are likely going to tour. So building the tour set & then using that in the new theater is smart and then tour once that production closes.

But if they are making their weekly nut, can they even be pushed out?
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Broadway Real Estate for the 2019-2020 season#168
Posted: 11/16/19 at 3:25pm

BEETLEJUICE is complicated.

If it has a bad winter and continually drops below its breakeven (probably about $700k), it wouldn't be worth it to move to a new theatre & keep it running. At this rate, it's also going to take forever to recoup the reported 21 million.

It can also probably run at the Winter Garden til July, which is still a healthy run (8 more months).

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Posted: 11/16/19 at 3:38pm
Exactly, it’s not like Beetlejuice needs to close right now lol. Let’s see how it does in January/February, that’s going to really show how strong the pull is for this show. If it’s still going strong then and come March/Early April theeeennn idk what’s going to happen haha
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Posted: 11/18/19 at 10:14am
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Posted: 11/18/19 at 10:38am
So happy I finally get to see this!!
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Broadway Real Estate for the 2019-2020 season#172
Posted: 11/18/19 at 12:45pm

Mike Barrett said: "Exactly, it’s not like Beetlejuice needs to close right now lol. Let’s see how it does in January/February, that’s going to really show how strong the pull is for this show. If it’s still going strong then and come March/Early April theeeennn idk what’s going to happen haha"

The question is if Beetlejuice hasn't missed its nut twice before end of Winter/early Spring, will Rudin have to pay to relocate the production to another theater/pay the capitalization cost as part of part of The Music Man's capitalization? If it hasn't missed its nut twice the Shubert Organization technically can't enforce their stop clause to evict the show to make way for The Music Man. Yes, this is unlikely to based on its grosses during its initial weeks prior to to it taking off over Summer, which is likely why the Shubert Organization "gave/guaranteed" the theater to Rudin for The Music Man.

Barns of Broadway: 

  1. Gershwin (1933 Seats)- Wicked 
  2. Broadway (1761 seats) - West Side Story - based on the name alone it should run through at least January 2021 unless Van Hoven's radical re-envisioning  is met by universal condemnation by critics.
  3. New Amsterdam (1747 seats) - Aladdin 
  4. Palace Theater (1743 seats) - Closed until for renovations until at least 2021
  5. Minskoff Theater (1710 seats) - Lion King
  6. St James Theater (1709 seats) - Frozen - May close summer 2020 allowing it to be open for The Music Man
  7. Majestic Theater (1645 seats) - Phantom of the Opera
  8. Lyric Theater (1622 seats) - Harry Potter and the Cursed Child - Might close in 2020, but the theater will have to go through massive renovations after the show closes.
  9. Marquis Theater (1612 Seats) - No current Tenant
  10. Winter Garden (1526 Seats) - Beetlejuice
  11. Lunt-Fontante Theater (1519 Seats)- Tina-The The Tina Turner Musical- unless something crazy happens it should run through January 2021 and likely a few more years after that.

Its just at this point, if I were the working in the Shubert Organization, I would be hammering out a backup plan for Rubin, where The Music Man takes the Broadway or works out an arrangement with Jujamcyn or Neaderlanders for it to take the St James if Frozen closes up shop at the end of summer, which seems likely at this point, or god forbid the Marquis, which at this point is the only barn that will definitely be open come late summer/early Fall 2020. 

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Broadway Real Estate for the 2019-2020 season#173
Posted: 11/18/19 at 10:57pm
So it looks like 2 theatres left open for sure:

-LYCEUM

-MARQUIS


Possibly:

-BARRYMORE (if The Inheritance doesn't extend)

-NEIL SIMON (if they can get a limited-run in before MJ's 07/06 first preview)
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Broadway Real Estate for the 2019-2020 season#174
Posted: 11/18/19 at 11:27pm

Tootsie's numbers haven't been THAT bad, so I wonder if there's another show circling the theater to get in for this season. 

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Broadway Real Estate for the 2019-2020 season#175
Posted: 11/19/19 at 9:29am

RippedMan said: "Tootsie's numbers haven't been THAT bad, so I wonder if there's another show circling the theater to get in for this season."

 

I'm more or less assuming it's advance for the Winter is next to nothing. I do wonder if Billy Crystal's show might take the Marquis. Otherwise, it might just be something unexpected taking the theater. I doubt it sits empty for too long.

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