Wow... A STAR IS BORN snub?!- Page 2

[ScottyDoesn'tKnow2]

Posted: 1/7/19 at 11:42am

I am glad A Star is Born got snubbed. That movie was only made because Bradley Cooper wanted to win awards and he was checking off all the ingredients that attracts award fodder to guarantee a win. He was really good in the movie though as was Sam Elliot, but Lady Gaga really did give a first-time film performance and it showed. Amateur line readings and surface-level emotion. No nuance whatsoever. It was also weirdly paced, the scenes felt artificial, and even the Globes didn't nominate its substandard screenplay. Bohemian Rhapsody's win was a joke but I expected it because people LOVE that movie. Critics and others hated it, but general audiences ate it up. The positive reaction to the Globes win was huge. I hope that people realize who that movie is connected to and start connecting the dots and Bryan Singer's heinous behavior should not be ignored. All the films nominated for Best Drama should lose to Roma, a movie I also have some issues with but can't deny was a masterfully crafted film, anyway once it competes against the other films. The Favourite, Roma, Burning, Shoplifters, Cold War, Minding the Gap (a documentary), and others that have no chance of garnering awards attention are superior films to any of the nominees for Best Drama this year. American films are behind the foreign counterparts, IMO.

I'm all for Glenn Close winning this year and comparing her performance to Lady Gaga's was a joke. IMO, Olivia Colman, Melissa McCarthy, Toni Collette, Helena Howard, Nicole Kidman, Rosamund Pike, Sakura Ando, Joanna Kulig, and Julia Roberts (yes her too) should all be in the conversation over Lady Gaga.

Updated On: 1/7/19 at 11:42 AM

[Luminaire2]

Posted: 1/7/19 at 11:43am

As a huge fan of A Star is Born... I dont think anyone is upset that it lost. We are upset that Bohemian Rhapsody won. Every other film in that category should have won over it. Its a complete and utter joke that it somehow beat out all those films.

I honestly hope its not even nominated for an Oscar to send a message to the Globes to get their Schiebe together.

[GeorgeandDot]

Posted: 1/7/19 at 11:43am

I agree, ScottyDoesn'tKnow2.

[haterobics]

Posted: 1/7/19 at 11:44am

ScottyDoesn'tKnow2 said: "Bohemian Rhapsody's win was a joke but I expected it because people LOVE that movie. Critics and others hated it, but general audiences ate it up."

But the Globes are voted on BY movie critics in the Hollywood Foreign Press, no? So, critics voted on a movie that critics hated?

[Impossible2]

Posted: 1/7/19 at 11:45am

Kad said: "Impossible2 said: "I would be totally shocked if BR even got a Best Picture Oscar nomination, though it has been a particularly awful year for films."

This year's given us Roma, The Favourite, If Beale Street Could Talk, BlacKKKlansman, A Star is Born, Black Panther, First Reformed, Can You Ever Forgive Me?, and others. I'd say this was a pretty great year for films, actually."

Thats 8 out of the over a thousand that were released and frankly half of those were far from 'great'. Good yes, great, I don't think so.

[Luminaire2]

Posted: 1/7/19 at 11:47am

Lest we forget there are hundreds of amazing movies made each year that wont ever be mentioned during award season or by the general public...

[ScottyDoesn'tKnow2]

Posted: 1/7/19 at 11:47am

haterobics said: "ScottyDoesn'tKnow2 said: "Bohemian Rhapsody's win was a joke but I expected it because people LOVE that movie. Critics and others hated it, but general audiences ate it up."

But the Globes are voted on BY movie critics in the Hollywood Foreign Press, no? So, critics voted on a movie that critics hated?"

They are NOT movie critics. They are "journalists" except nobody really knows if they are. They call themselves that but there's been a lot of investigative work into that membership with people wondering if they're even journalists. The Globes have a shady history. That said, I have to say some of their picks in the past decade have been better than the Oscars, IMO.

[haterobics]

Posted: 1/7/19 at 11:52am

Luminaire2 said: "Lest we forget there are hundreds of amazing movies made each year that wont ever be mentioned during award season or by the general public..."

It seems optimistic to think hundreds of "amazing" movies are being made each year and no one cares about them... Even dozens would seem high.

[Impossible2]

Posted: 1/7/19 at 11:55am

haterobics said: "Luminaire2 said: "Lest we forget there are hundreds of amazing movies made each year that wont ever be mentioned during award season or by the general public..."

It seems optimistic to think hundreds of "amazing" movies are being made each year and no one cares about them... Even dozens would seem high."

This...

2013 was the last truly great year for film.

[haterobics]

Posted: 1/7/19 at 11:56am

ScottyDoesn'tKnow2 said: "They are NOT movie critics. They are "journalists" except nobody really knows if they are. They call themselves that but there's been a lot of investigative work into that membership with people wondering if they're even journalists. The Globes have a shady history. That said, I have to say some of their picks in the past decade have been better than the Oscars, IMO."

Weird. When I worked in journalism, the only person who wrote about the movies were also the in-house critics, so I just always figured this was the same, just a global version, heh. I'm not really into awards of any kind, so doesn't really change anything for me... I just watch them to see the winners shine in their moment, without regard for who they beat, who wasn't nominated, or whether I agree.

[ScottyDoesn'tKnow2]

Posted: 1/7/19 at 11:58am

I think what Luminaire2 is talking about is that there are festivals that happen all year round (like Sundance; Cannes) where great movies are debuted and then fight for distribution from studios. However, a great number of them don't end up being awards fodder because the Oscar race is a mix of reward merit, combining narratives to make them and their actors look attractive enough to award, and non-merit based studio hard campaigning. Only a certain few smaller films get into the conversation because of this. Then there's a case of foreign films where only a few great ones will get a qualifying American theatrical run on top of maybe being their country's submission of choice.

Updated On: 1/7/19 at 11:58 AM

[Impossible2]

Posted: 1/7/19 at 11:58am

I know someone who votes for the Oscars who gives his form and screeners to his wife and 16 year old daughter to evaluate.

Combined the pair of them have the IQ of a peach...

[Impossible2]

Posted: 1/7/19 at 12:02pm

ScottyDoesn'tKnow2 said: "I think what Luminaire2 is talking about is that there are festivals that happen all year round (like Sundance; Cannes) where great movies are debuted and then fight for distribution from studios. However, a great number of them don't end up being awards fodder because the Oscar race is a mix of reward merit, combining narratives to make them and their actors look attractive enough to award, and non-merit based studio hard campaigning. Only a certain few smaller films get into the conversation because of this. Then there's a case of foreign films where only a few great ones will get a qualifying American theatrical run on top of maybe being their country's submission of choice."

As someone who has had films I worked on go through the festival process their system is absolutely no different to the studios. It's not how good the product it's still who you are or who you know.

I pay very close attention to all of the festivals and while there is the odd gem that falls through the cracks on occasion, most of the really good ones do get proper releases. 

[ScottyDoesn'tKnow2]

Posted: 1/7/19 at 12:12pm

Impossible2 said: "ScottyDoesn'tKnow2 said: "I think what Luminaire2 is talking about is that there are festivals that happen all year round (like Sundance; Cannes) where great movies are debuted and then fight for distribution from studios. However, a great number of them don't end up being awards fodder because the Oscar race is a mix of reward merit, combining narratives to make them and their actors look attractive enough to award, and non-merit based studio hard campaigning. Only a certain few smaller films get into the conversation because of this. Then there's a case of foreign films where only a few great ones will get a qualifying American theatrical run on top of maybe being their country's submission of choice."

As someone who has had films I worked on go through the festival process their system is absolutely no different to the studios. It's not how good the productit's still who you are or who you know.

I pay very close attention to all of the festivals and while there is the odd gem that falls through the cracks on occasion,most of the really good ones doget proper releases."

I'm going by my personal experience. I've seen so many movies that win awards at festivals or got some citations there only to be ignored come award season every year because they really do not fit the awards formula...one that A Star is Born desperately tried to emulate. I think a big example this year is The Rider. Another one of my favorites this year, Madeline's Madeline at best only received attention from Gotham and the Spirit Awards.

[Impossible2]

Posted: 1/7/19 at 12:19pm

ScottyDoesn'tKnow2 said: "Impossible2 said: "ScottyDoesn'tKnow2 said: "I think what Luminaire2 is talking about is that there are festivals that happen all year round (like Sundance; Cannes) where great movies are debuted and then fight for distribution from studios. However, a great number of them don't end up being awards fodder because the Oscar race is a mix of reward merit, combining narratives to make them and their actors look attractive enough to award, and non-merit based studio hard campaigning. Only a certain few smaller films get into the conversation because of this. Then there's a case of foreign films where only a few great ones will get a qualifying American theatrical run on top of maybe being their country's submission of choice."

As someone who has had films I worked on go through the festival process their system is absolutely no different to the studios. It's not how good the productit's still who you are or who you know.

I pay very close attention to all of the festivals and while there is the odd gem that falls through the cracks on occasion,most of the really good ones doget proper releases."

I'm going by my personal experience. I've seen so many movies that win awards at festivals or got some citations there only to be ignored come award season every year because they really do not fit the awards formula...one that A Star is Born desperately tried to emulate. I think a big example this year isThe Rider. Another one of my favorites this year,Madeline's Madelineat best only received attention from Gotham and the Spirit Awards."

Oh yes to go on and win further awards and such you are definitely right. It is very rare unless they are picked up by a major studio. 

[binau]

Posted: 1/7/19 at 12:34pm

Tag said: "Check out Singer's instagram today"

I guess clearly he felt the need for a bit of ego-rubbing/self-promotion, which is a bit shameless but understandable. Some cool behind-the-scenes clips and shots, though.

[bk]

Posted: 1/7/19 at 12:53pm

I'm just gonna say that it's hilarious how the first people to always be up in arms with anything involving race or Me, Too, or whatever it is that's causing outrage that day, are also the first to trot out what has become the hoariest cliche ever "old white men."  Is ageism suddenly okay?  Because this thread reeks of it.  Because if ageism is okay, then let's bring back the Gypsy Robe, baby, let's just.

[haterobics]

Posted: 1/7/19 at 1:03pm

ScottyDoesn'tKnow2 said: "I've seen so many movies that win awards at festivals or got some citations there only to be ignored come award season every year because they really do not fit the awards formula..."

I'm sure a film or two or three slips through the cracks, doesn't find a distributor, doesn't find an audience, etc. I was just more taken with there being "hundreds" of amazing movies every year that suffer this fate, which seemed an order of magnitude higher than possible.

[ScottyDoesn'tKnow2]

Posted: 1/7/19 at 1:07pm

haterobics said: "ScottyDoesn'tKnow2 said: "I've seen so many movies that win awards at festivals or got some citations there only to be ignored come award season every year because they really do not fit the awards formula..."

I'm sure a film or two or three slips through the cracks, doesn't find a distributor, doesn't find an audience, etc. I was just more taken with there being "hundreds" of amazing movies every year that suffer this fate, which seemed an order of magnitude higher than possible."

That's true. Hundreds do seem like a lot. I would maybe say dozens. Possibly more if you really have a low opinion of most of the Oscar contenders.

[PatrickDC]

Posted: 1/7/19 at 1:27pm

One of these days Bradley Cooper will win. I guess. I don't really care one way or the other and I haven't seen Star yet. But he is front and center at every award show where he is nominated and because he is insanely gorgeous (in my opinion) the camera focuses on him alot. He always has this hopeful look on his face, and seems at every award show his work and he is snubbed. He's young, lots of career left. 

On the other hand, I find the bruhaha about the GG amusing. There are what, 75 or so members of the HFPA. Really, 75 people telling the world what is best? At least with the Oscars there are thousands of voters, and hundreds for the Tonys (but that's ok given the fewer number of theaters and productions to rate). 

[haterobics]

Posted: 1/7/19 at 1:30pm

PatrickDC said: "I find the bruhaha about the GG amusing. There are what, 75 or so members of the HFPA. Really, 75 people telling the world what is best?"

Well, what they think is best...

[GeorgeandDot]

Posted: 1/7/19 at 1:30pm

bk, ageism is fine because ageism never killed anyone.

[bk]

Posted: 1/7/19 at 1:47pm

GeorgeandDot said: "bk, ageism is fine because ageism never killed anyone."

Neither did the Gypsy Robe.  Ageism is not fine - you can't have it all ways from Sunday.  Doesn't work that way I'm afraid.  "Ageism is fine."  And there you have it, folks.

[jayinchelsea]

Posted: 1/7/19 at 1:51pm

Was glad that Gaga got snubbed; this was not Streisand making her film debut in FUNNY GIRL 50 years ago, and burning up the screen. Gaga of course sang well, but her performance was nothing special, and she all but disappeared in the second half of the movie, as the Cooper character crashes and burns. And if Glenn finally wins an Oscar this year for a fairly pedestrian film, so be it; she is long overdue, and Meryl didn't have a great film last year to knock her out of the running (and if you saw her in MARY POPPINS RETURNS, yikes).

And if we're discussing the MeToo movement, how did Michael Douglas, accused of sexual misconduct and never exonerated, get nominated and then win? It sometimes begins to feel as though all the bad behavior (Louis CK, Weinstein, Spacey) never really happened. What gives?

[haterobics]

Posted: 1/7/19 at 2:02pm

qolbinau said: "I guess clearly he felt the need for a bit of ego-rubbing/self-promotion, which is a bit shameless but understandable."

He is still the official director of the movie.