Why can Patti Murin tweet about Broadway World but Broadway World can't talk about Patti Murin?

[Sondheimite]

I'd really like a real answer rather than posts being deleted, posters being banned, and moderators locking threads.

What is the fear of talking about Patti Murin on this board?

Why are we a subject that she can lash out at but we aren't allowed to discuss her on this board unless we're saying something 100% positive?

It seems unfair that Broadway World (in particularly, the weekend moderator) is very hell-bent on making sure that nothing besides nice things are said about Murin while Murin can say whatever she'd like about us.


 

[Catsbroadwayfan]

Look, I agree ive said some negative things about Ms. Murin. But when she calls us out we should be able to discuss it

[BroadwayConcierge]

Mods, I will be disappointed (but not surprised) if this inquiry gets deleted. There is no "inappropriate" discussion or "slander" in the above post. It is a genuine question.

[Fetus]

Hopefully her tweet doesn't bring in an angry flux of twitter stans.

[Alan Henry]

1) Not the weekend moderator, I'm here every day Monday to Friday during office hours along with Matt and Rob.

2) We've decided this conversation has run its course. Every thread within a few posts becomes full of personal attacks. If you'd like to start a new Frozen thread for who's in/out, that's fine - but we've decided collectively that the mental health discussion is not one that can be thoughtfully engaged in here, anonymously - that would be any more productive than what Patti has already said. Anything you could possibly surmise about the situation, she's said. Anything beyond that is inappropriate for this forum. BWW doesn't exist in a vacuum, we are part of the theatre community. We've decided this isn't a conversation we're comfortable allowing to continue. 

[disneybroadwayfan22]

Let's just let this go. Patti is a human being, so she is clearly hurt by these forums right now and everyone in this board needs a breather tbh.

[ArtMan]

I've wondered the same thing.  Also since you mentioned the moderators, they seem to follow different code of standards on here.  I had a post deleted because I used the word "crazy" in a post, where later I read a post that was not deleted when the poster described another poster as "certifiably insane".  I can see why there has been a mass exit from this site.  

[Blockhead24]

She has made it quite clear that she doesn't like what's being said about her here so why does she even waste her time? I don't get it. 

[Catsbroadwayfan]

You allow us to talk badly about any other performance. You allow the Ruben and Clay thread to go on DAYS. But when we are adressed, we cant talk about it?

[Fetus]

Imagine if the energy being put into limiting this discussion right now was the same energy being put into fixing the consistent problems with structure of this forum?

[Bwayfan292]

I think it’s time to just let it go. The mods clearly don’t like us talking about Patti, and the situation will only escalate higher.

[BroadwayConcierge]

I stated on here—twice—that I believe Murin's wonderful standby is delivering a superior performance as Anna. Both posts were subsequently deleted. Neither of them addressed mental health in the slightest.

Mods, if ^this^ gets deleted, then there's clearly more happening behind the scenes than you say. 

[@z5]

Just an FYI - Alan Henry- the mod on this thread is a personal friend of Patti Murin. My posts have been deleted addressing that, though.

[broadwayboy223]

Is Patti the queen of Broadway World? I dont hate her (I didnt think she was good in Frozen though, but that's my opinion) I'm not sure her frequent absences are mental health related as much as they are vocal related. She was clearly having voice issues when I saw the show...

[Moderator]

Catsbroadwayfan said: "You allow us to talk badly about any other performance. You allow the Ruben and Clay thread to go on DAYS. But when we are adressed, we cant talk about it?"

As Alan said, discussions of performances and attendance are completely acceptable; in fact, so is the discussion of mental health and its impact on performers, including their public comments. However, when posters begin to negatively question the legitimacy of performers' statements about their own mental health; make trolling and antagonistic comments about performers missing performances due to laziness; and make accusations of performers hiding behind exaggerated or false mental health claims as a way to attack a performer's personal ethics and morals, that is what crosses the line. 

As always, we welcome you to discuss these topics in respectful, non-attacking manners. If that is the case moving forward, there will be no problems on our end. 

[Sondheimite]

I’m going to try to broach this topic from a personal stand point.

I’d first like to say that playing a lead in a Broadway Musical (in some cases) gives you mental health opportunities that others who are suffering could not dream of.  The millions of people trying to struggle to make ends meet don’t get mental health days, we get fired for missing work.  I’ve been in the hospital twice for trying to kill myself.  I lost a job one of those times.  Not because of work performance, not because I was losing the company money, but because I missed work due to being in the hospital because I had a mental health emergency.  That’s the reality for most people.  That’s the reality for almost everyone else who works for Murins parent company, Disney.  I watched so many cast members get driven by Disney to the brink of suicide only to lose their jobs once they attempt suicide. Patti Murin is paid very well to work (at max) four hours a day playing the lead in a Broadway Musical.  People who have to work 60 hour work weeks for 1/3rd of Patti Murin’s pay don’t get the luxury she gets.  That’s not a dig on Patti, that’s a dig on the system.

(I’d also like to say that not myself or anyone made personal attacks on Murin.  We asked hard questions and brought up hard talking points)

And I’ll share another personal story:
I played Hedwig in Hedwig and the Angry Inch last year… and it destroyed my (already iffy) mental health.  I don’t mean that I went a little bit crazy playing Hedwig.  I mean that I came very close to Heath-Ledgering-Out-Of-Here and the production process can best be described by the documentary film Jim and Andy which is streaming on Netflix.  I completely lost myself and had an almost successful suicide attempt (to the point where my heart stopped and I was revived by police) when i was dealing with the fallout I’d caused playing Hedwig.  This was late 2017/early 2018.  It hasn't even been a year since my attempt at taking my life due to the mental strain that acting put on my mental illness.

I had to have a LONG conversation with myself that I didn’t want to have:
Did my mental illness allow me to safely be an actor?
Does acting put my mental state in jeopardy and, in turn, put entire productions I act for in jeopardy?
Even if the ends are justified by the means and I churn out brilliant performances, is it worth it from a personal standpoint?

These were hard discussions that I didn’t even want to let my mind wander into.  It is easier and less painful to keep these conversations locked away.

But I had the conversations.
And found that my joy, talent, skills, ideas, and mental state are much better suited for directing and producing.

And I’m much happier because I battled hard conversations.

That’s all I’ll say, without making any implications or drawing any lines.

[Bwayfan292]

I’m so sorry Sondheimite, and I’m happy you are still with us.

[Fetus]

Sondheimite said: "disneybroadwayfan22 said: "Let's just let this go. Patti is a human being, soshe isclearly hurtby these forums right now and everyone in this board needs a breather tbh."

I’m going to try to broach this topic from a personal stand point.



I’d first like to say that playing a lead in a Broadway Musical (in some cases) gives you mental health opportunities that other could not dream of. The millions of people trying to struggle to make ends meet don’t get mental health days, we get fired for missing work. I’ve been in the hospital twice for trying to kill myself. I lost a job one of those times. Not because of work performance, not because I was losing the company money, but because I missed work due to being in the hospital. That’s the reality for most people. That’s the reality for almost everyone else who works for Murins parent company, Disney. I watched so many cast members get driven by Disney to the brink of suicide only to lose their jobs once they attempt suicide. Patti Murin is paid very well to work (at max) four hours a day playing the lead in a Broadway Musical. People who have to work 60 hour work weeks for 1/3rd of Patti Murin’s pay don’t get the luxury she gets. That’s not a dig on Patti, that’s a dig on the system.



(I’d also like to say that not myself or anyone made personal attacks on Murin. We asked hard questions and brought up hard talking points)


And I’ll share a personal story:
I played Hedwig in Hedwig and the Angry Inch last year… and it destroyed my (already iffy) mental health. I don’t mean that I went a little bit crazy playing Hedwig. I mean that I came very close to Heath-Ledgering-Out-Of-Here and the production process can best be described by the documentary film Jim and Andy. I completely lost myself and had an almost successful suicide attempt (to the point where my heart stopped and I was revived) when i was dealing with the fallout I’d caused playing Hedwig. This was late 2017/early 2018.

I had to have a LONG conversation with myself that I didn’t want to have:
Did my mental illness allow me to safely be an actor?

Does acting put my mental state in jeopardy and, in turn, put entire productions I act for in jeopardy?

Even if the ends are justified by the means and I churn out brilliant performances, is it worth it?

These were hard discussions that I didn’t even want to let my mind wander into. It is easier and less painful to keep these conversations locked away.

But I had the conversations.

And found that my joy, talent, skills, ideas, and mental state are much better suited for directing and producing.

And I’m much happier because I battled hard conversations.



That’s all I’ll say, without making any implications or drawing any lines."

I'll admit I thought your post Murin shared in her tweet was pointed, but this adds a lot of perspective to your stance and thank you for sharing your story and struggles. I'm thankful you're still with us, as a longtime lurker I've always enjoyed your contributions on this forum.

[haterobics]

It's not a double standard, though. If Patti made an account here and started replying negatively toward and attacking other users, then she would be breaking the BWW rules, and her posts would presumably be deleted.

But she isn't here doing it, she is on Twitter.

If Twitter banned you from talking about Patti talking about BWW, then you'd have a point. But it's a false equivalency, since everyone can go on Twitter and write whatever they want about Patti or BWW.

I don't know why anyone would bother, but you're certainly free to...

[disneybroadwayfan22]

Sondheimite, God bless you. We are so glad you are still on this earth and thriving. So much love to you.

Yes, Patti and Caissie’s attendance is hit-or-miss (to put it mildly), but we def shouldn’t make fun or light of Patti’s anxiety at the least. We even don’t know why she’s out and frankly, it’s none of our business. It sounds like she’s out this week because she’s doing her TV show. She tweeted a GIF of her in Chicago.

[BroadwayConcierge]

Sondheimite rocks. So much. Which is why it's frustrating to see him be the one scapegoated on the tweet that's now circulating.

[GreeneStreet]

Is there a way Patti can see what Sondheimite wrote? Im assuming she has blocked the boards again, but I feel like it’s an important post to read.

Thank you somdheimite, and Im glad you are still here.

[jonah3500]

BroadwayConcierge said: "Sondheimite rocks. So much. Which is why it's frustrating to see him be the one scapegoated on the tweet that's now circulating."

Link please?

[BroadwayConcierge]

jonah3500 said: "Link please?"

Check Murin's Twitter.

[jonah3500]

Does anybody know where her blog post about these boards is?