BAT OUT OF HELL Will Play 8 Weeks At NY City Center In 2019

[HogansHero]

Sondheimite said: "I feel terrible for the cast/crew who now are out of work/PAYCHECKS.

Cohl doesn't have to worry about how his bills will be paid for the next year because he's a very wealthy man.... the cast/crew does."

As I said above, this mystifies me. There is plenty to criticize Cohl about but that cast and crew were enriched for a few months. On what planet is that "cruel" ? Better to leave them unemployed for MORE weeks this year? 

Where are the brain cells around here? I am just in awe of the dearth.

[trpguyy]

tourboi said: "Well some people prefer touring. "

Yes, and now perhaps this mindset will now change, but people view tours as reliable work, whereas a (new) Broadway show is risky. 

[Sondheimite]

HogansHero said: "Sondheimite said: "I feel terrible for the cast/crew who now are out of work/PAYCHECKS.

Cohl doesn't have to worry about how his bills will be paid for the next year because he's a very wealthy man.... the cast/crew does."

As I said above, this mystifies me. There is plenty to criticize Cohl about but that cast and crew were enriched for a few months. On what planet is that"cruel" ? Better to leave them unemployed for MORE weeks this year?

Where are the brain cells around here? I am just in awe of the dearth."

Understand the situation you speak on before you speak on it, lil bub.  

[Kad]

Touring in something like Hamilton or Phantom is one thing. You'd have that job for as long as they'll have you. And those are the sort of shows that tour these days- shows that are essentially sure bets, with a marquee title or a Best Musical Tony.

But opening something like Bat Out of Hell on the road? That is just a major, major gamble.

[RippedMan]

I guess I'm confused about touring money. Like, wouldn't it be the venues that take the hit? Instead of the producers of the show? Didn't they already have their venues lined up, etc, so is it more like "we estimate to make THIS amount of money for this show," bit turns out tickets weren't being sold, so the theaters pulled out? Or how does that all work.

[VotePeron]

...what the hell? Back on at City Center:

https://www.broadway.com/buzz/193914/meat-loaf-musical-bat-out-of-hell-postpones-north-american-tour/

If it completes the complete run at City Center, I will be shocked. The cast should get new jobs and get as far away from this as possible.

[Scarlet Leigh]

It was never canceled at City Center? I mean since new broke earlier, ever article I ready was specific that it was just the tour "postponed" but that City Center was still on.

[Sondheimite]

lol unless they're under such a iron clad contract that they'll never get out of it.... there is NO WAY the current cast does City Center.

No.

WAY.

[HogansHero]

Sondheimite said: "Understand the situation you speak on before you speak on it, lil bub."

Enlighten me. I'm all ears. LOL

P.S. When have you known me not to?

[seaweedjstubbs]

It would've absolutely been better for the cast and crew to have never booked this show in the first place. It's not just about a paycheck. Several people gave up their apartments or found sublets for the length of the tour. Some left currently running Broadway shows. If they'd never been employed by this show, their lives would've remained the same. Some may have found other work that they turned down to do this tour. Make no mistake about it - their lives would be better if they'd never been involved in this mess. I don't see how anyone could not understand that.

[HogansHero]

"I don't see how anyone could not understand that." 

I'll explain it: some of us live in reality, and some live in fantasy. If and when you join the former, it'll all make sense to you. 

[seaweedjstubbs]

Having sympathy for people is living in fantasy? Cool, good to know.

[BeadleDeedle]

You’re being ridiculous, HogansHero. Going out on tour usually causes a huge shake up in one’s life. When I did it I gave up my apartment and put my whole life in storage. I would have been financially shattered if what happened here had happened to me. Read Bradley Dean’s post if you haven’t.

[RippedMan]

Yeah but had this not have happened, it would have been more advantageous for them to take the tour. This should have been a tiered tour to start anyway. If things like Hello Dolly aren’t going out production, theh the producers were just naive.

[Sondheimite]

HogansHero said: ""I don't see how anyone could not understand that."

I'll explain it: some of us live in reality, and some live in fantasy. If and when you join the former, it'll all make sense to you."

Excuse me, little guy.

Do you work in the arts?

Have you ever been an actor on Broadway or on national tour?
Are you close with anyone who has?

Do you know anything about how this works or do you just like it when you see your fingers make sentences on the light up screen?  

[Elegance101]

It’s not even that I disagree with what HogansHero is saying; I just don’t know what it is he’s trying to say. Are you saying the producers didn’t mess up here? That actors being suddenly out of a job isn’t bad? Are you just trying to start something?

This is not good. Everyone made some money for the past two months, yes, but they put their entire lives on hold for a year-long national tour. They have to figure out where to live now. They won’t have a steady, $2,000/week paycheck for the next year after being told they would. That’s horrible. Stop trying to start an argument about this, like you always have to. If you thrive off of this kind of petty drama, evaluate yourself.

[HogansHero]

@elegance not saying any of those things.  

@Sondheimite (what's up with the little guy thing? am I supposed to feel small?) To answer you.

Yes I do, my entire adult life.

No I haven't.

Yes I have. (I've had them end up on my sofa for months too.)

Yes I do (and from the sound of it, a lot more than you do.)

I can't answer the last question cuz I don't know what a light up screen is.

 

[antonijan]

#DoNotCancelBatMusical

[Call_me_jorge]

antonijan said: "#DoNotCancelBatMusical"

Yeah. Cuz this is totally how this works and next thing we’ll see a kickstarter page to get the tour to keep going.

[GavestonPS]

Well, since there's no tour to discuss and Ellen Foley was mentioned above by our German friend, can anybody tell me why Ellen Foley is not credited anywhere on the album, cassette or CD of BAT OUT OF HELL? I recognized her voice because I was a fan of a TV show she did with Debbie Allen when I was a teen and I saw her in the pre-Broadway INTO THE WOODS in San Diego. At first hearing, I thought I was mistaken, but over time I nearly tore the album sleeve apart looking for some mention of her name.

Has the omission ever been discussed publicly? Is there some legend known to Steinman fans?

I wonder how many people assume it is Karla (Mrs. Robbie Benson) DeVita on the recording because she did the videos and the tour?

[oncemorewithfeeling2]

They’re still advertising this as beginning on Wednesday in Detroit, which just poor on the part of local producers and the tour producers.

And I want to give Bradley Dean a freakin’ hug. It feels like he’s becoming one of broadway’s unluckiest guys—really, really talented, willing to take chances, and not to mention a genuinely good guy.

[g.d.e.l.g.i.]

GavestonPS said: "Well, since there's no tour to discuss and Ellen Foley was mentioned above by our German friend, can anybody tell me why Ellen Foley is not credited anywhere on the album, cassette or CD of BAT OUT OF HELL? I recognized her voice because I was a fan of a TV show she did with Debbie Allen when I was a teen and I saw her in the pre-Broadway INTO THE WOODS in San Diego. At first hearing, I thought I was mistaken, but over time I nearly torethe album sleeve apart looking for some mention of her name.

Has the omission ever been discussed publicly? Is there some legend known to Steinman fans?

I wonder how many people assume it is Karla (Mrs. Robbie Benson) DeVita on the recording because she did the videos and the tour?"

Are you sure she's not credited? Because I've pored over several editions of that album, and I'm pretty sure she is, albeit not prominently. (She's sort of lumped in with the group of musicians listed after each of the songs.)

[HogansHero]

It is no secret and I am pretty sure she is credited somewhere as g.d.e.l.g.i. says. It's a pretty well known thing that she is singing. DeVita is lip-synching on the video. Maybe she had a schedule conflict. She was Sheila in Hair around that time.

[g.d.e.l.g.i.]

Ellen had her own career stuff going on, yes (3 Girls 3 which Gaveston mentioned, the Hair revival which HogansHero brought up). But the album was already done and dusted (and being shuffled to various labels) by spring 1977 (it would eventually be released that fall), so there wasn't exactly a scheduling conflict. As I understand it, off the back of Bat, Cleveland International offered her a solo deal, and she wasn't all that keen on joining Meat on the road and only being showcased in certain numbers. Karla DeVito (with an 'o', if you please :P ) stepped in, and was a better fit for the stage show by all accounts.

[Rainah]

Hamilton's Amber Iman's comment

 

Oh. So that “Bat out of Hell” producer was also behind the JCSuperstar tour that closed days before it was supposed to start, and more closely, that Off-Broadway transfer of “A Night with Janis Joplin” that I was in, where they knew we were closing in the morning, let us rehearse, go to dinner break, come back, get dressed and ready (cuz they were waiting on producers to arrive from California) and THEN tell us that we were closing right then....before our first dress rehearsal....and also asked if we could clean out our dressing rooms right then and not come back the next day.....and offered us shopping bags to carry our stuff in. JESUS TAKE THE WHEEL AND DRIVE FAST!!!!!!