Blame Canada!-

[sabrelady]

I'm hoping Justin Trudeau  will grow a handle bar mustache so he can twirl it!

This is just re dunkulous

-https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/theres-a-special-place-in-hell-for-trudeau-after-his-g7-stunt-top-wh-trade-adviser-peter-navarro-says/ar-AAys9Kn?ocid=NL_ENUS_A2_20180608_2

Oh and that "special place in Hell- it's holding the door open for President Caligula and his cronies.

[javero]

What's truly sad is that many Trumpistas can't even see that it's all an act.  Trump is still clueless.

[wonkit]

OK - let's look at a couple of facts. Canada has been dumping (yes, that's actually the legal term) cheap steel in huge quantities in the United States since World War II, and it is probably single-handedly responsible for the cratering of the domestic steel industry, and the loss of thousands of jobs. Trudeau can say whatever he wants but the United States has been the loser in this particular trade arrangement. Why is it a trade war when we stand up for American industries but not a trade war when American industries are taken advantage of by every foreign country, ally or enemy?

[sabrelady]

Trump does not understand basic economic theory. Trade does not have to be zero sum to be good. Tariffs on steel will cost America more jobs than it creates. And the steel industry is automated, increased production does not mean increased jobs. 

Meanwhile some U.S. steel industry trade groups have had trade complaints in the works against China and other countries for swamping the market with subsidized steel to make it impossible for rivals to compete.

And simply competing on price alone isn't enough, experts say. You need the technology.

"The future of the domestic steel industry is a focus on engineered, value-added metals products that are more resistant to cheap steel-imports," said Miller.

And you can't get there overnight.

One advantage that America has, said Usha Haley, management professor at West Virginia University and an expert on Chinese manufacturing, is that the U.S. has the technology to develop super-light, super-strong steel.

“China may eventually buy or steal this manufacturing technology,” said Haley, “But currently it lags behind the United States, as well as Japan and South Korea.”

The question is, if steel jobs came back, would anyone want them?

“Manufacturing and utilities come out at the bottom of millennials’ job wish list, with 7 percent and 3 percent respectively,” said workplace expert Lindsey Pollak, citing a Hartford study.

 

Plus from   USA own website

 

 

https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/americas/canada

 

 

[sabrelady]

And here is what Canadians will not be buying much of from USA-

Product/Duty

Yogurt: Within access commitment10%

Yogurt: Over access commitment10%

Coffee, roasted: Not decaffeinated10%

Prepared meals: Of spent fowl; Specially defined mixtures10%

Other: Specially defined mixtures, other than in cans or glass jars; Spent fowl other than in cans or glass jars10%

Of bovine animals: Prepared meals10%

Of bovine animals: Other10%

Maple sugar and maple syrup10%

Liquorice candy; Toffee10%

Other sugar confectionary10%

Other chocolate, in blocks, slabs or bars: Filled10%

Other chocolate, in blocks, slabs or bars: Not filled10%

Pizza and quiche10%

Cucumbers and gherkins10%

Strawberry jam10%

Orange juice: Not frozen, of a Brix value not exceeding 2010%

Soya sauce10%

Tomato ketchup and other tomato sauces: Tomato ketchup10%

Tomato ketchup and other tomato sauces: Other10%

Mayonnaise and salad dressing10%

Mixed condiments and mixed seasonings10%

Other sauces10%

Soups and broths and preparations therefor10%

Waters, including mineral waters and aerated waters, containing added sugar or other sweetening matter or flavoured10%

Whiskies10%

Manicure or pedicure preparations10%

Hair lacquers10%3305.30.00

Pre-shave, shaving or after-shave preparations10%

Preparations for perfuming or deodorizing rooms, including odoriferous preparations used during religious rites: Other10%

Organic surface-active products and preparations for washing the skin, in the form of liquid or cream and put up for retail sale, whether or not containing soap10%%3402.20.10

Candles, tapers and the like: Other10%

Products suitable for use as glues or adhesives, put up for retail sale as glues or adhesives, not exceeding a net weight of 1 kg10%

Insecticides: In packages of a gross weight not exceeding 1.36 kg each10%

Fungicides: In packages of a gross weight not exceeding 1.36 kg each10%

Herbicides, anti-sprouting products and plant-growth regulators: In packages of a gross weight not exceeding 1.36 kg each10%

Sacks and bags (including cones), of polymers of ethylene: Other10%

Sacks and bags (including cones), of other plastics: Other10%

Tableware and kitchenware10%

Other household articles and hygienic or toilet articles, of plastics10%

Other plywood, consisting solely of sheets of wood (other than bamboo), each ply not exceeding 6 mm thickness: Other, with both outer plies of coniferous wood10%

Other: Other plywood, veneered panels and similar laminated wood10%

Other paper and paperboard, not containing fibres obtained by a mechanical or chemi-mechanical process or of which not more than 10% by weight of the total fibre content consists of such fibres: Weighing 40 g/m² or more but not more than 150 g/m², in sheets with one side not exceeding 435 mm and the other side not exceeding 297 mm in the unfolded state10%

Paper and paperboard coated, impregnated or covered with plastics (excluding adhesives): Other10%4811.59.00

Toilet paper10%

Handkerchiefs, cleansing or facial tissues and towels10%

Tablecloths and serviettes10%.

Other bobbins, spools, caps and similar supports10%

Printed or illustrated postcards; printed cards bearing personal greetings, messages or announcements, whether or not illustrated, with or without envelopes or trimmings.10%

Cast iron grilles, of a weight not exceeding 3 kg, not further worked than as cast, cut and ground, for use in the manufacture of finished grilles for non-industrial non-portable stoves or ranges, for gas fuel or for both gas or other fuels; For appliances, excluding cooking appliances and plate warmers; For cooking appliances and plate warmers for gas fuel or for both gas and other fuels, excluding non-portable stoves or ranges (including those specially designed for use on boats)10%7321.90.10

For non-portable stoves or ranges (including those specially designed for use on boats), for gas fuel or for both gas or other fuels: Cooking chambers10%

For non-portable stoves or ranges (including those specially designed for use on boats), for gas fuel or for both gas or other fuels: Top surface panels10%

Or non-portable stoves or ranges (including those specially designed for use on boats), for gas fuel or for both gas or other fuels: Door assemblies, incorporating at least two of the following: inner panel, outer panel, window, insulation10%

For non-portable stoves or ranges (including those specially designed for use on boats), for gas fuel or both gas or other fuels: Oven pilot burners, top burners of other than cast iron, oven burners and lighter cones, for use in the manufacture of ranges10%

For non-portable stoves or ranges (including those specially designed for use on boats), for gas fuel or both gas or other fuels: Other10%

Other parts10%

Combined refrigerator-freezers, fitted with separate external doors: Absorption-type, combination gas and electric powered, designed for permanent installation in recreational vehicles and for use in the manufacture of such vehicles10%

Combined refrigerator-freezers, fitted with separate external doors: Other10%

Instantaneous or storage water heaters, non-electric: Other10%

Dish washing machines, of the household type: Other10%

Mowers for lawns, parks or sports-grounds: Powered, with the cutting device rotating in a horizontal plane10%

Machines, each of a dry linen capacity not exceeding 10 kg, fully-automatic machines: Household type, not including machines which both wash and dry10%

Machines, each of a dry linen capacity not exceeding 10 kg, fully-automatic machines: Other10%

Machines, each of a dry linen capacity exceeding 10 kg10%

Inflatable boats10%

Other: Sailboats, with or without auxiliary motor10%

Other: Motorboats, other than outboard motorboats10%

Other: Other vessels for pleasure, outboard motorboats10%

Other seats, with wooden frames, upholstered: For domestic purposes10%

Other seats, with wooden frames, upholstered: Other10%

Mattresses: Of cellular rubber or plastics, whether or not covered10%

Mattresses: Of other materials10%Sleeping bags10%

Pillows, cushions and similar furnishings, of cotton; Quilts, eiderdowns, comforters and similar articles of textile material containing less than 85% by weight of silk or silk waste10%

Other bedding and similar articles10%

Playing cards10%

Ball point pens10%

Felt tipped and other porous-tipped pens and markers10%

Mess with the beaver- you get the teeth.

[South Florida]

The world turned upside down when we praise the people who effed with our elections.  It dosen't matter Sabre, even when the truth is told the people who went Dump will not believe it.  I never thought this country could get so dumb.

 

[UncleCharlie]

wonkit said: "OK - let's look at a couple of facts. Canada has been dumping (yes, that's actually the legal term) cheap steel in huge quantitiesin the United States since World War II, and it is probably single-handedly responsible for the cratering of thedomestic steel industry, and the loss of thousands of jobs. Trudeau can say whatever he wants but the United States has been the loser in this particular trade arrangement. Why is it a trade war when we stand up for American industries but not a trade war when American industries are taken advantage of by every foreign country, ally or enemy?"

This is utter and complete nonsense. You've been brainwashed my friend. Canada is in fact the leading source of imported steel by the U.S., responsible for about 20-25% of the total steel imported. Having said that, the amount of Canadian steel imported is equal to about 10% at most of the U.S. domestic steel output for at least the last 10 years. The notion that a country exporting to the U.S. an amount of steel equal to 8-10% of what we produce domestically can crater our market is patently absurd. If they are engaging in unfair practices, negotiate with them to end it. This tit for tat nonsense is about the dumbest policy imaginable and is an artificial restraint of free trade. 

https://www.trade.gov/steel/countries/pdfs/imports-us.pdf