Gizmo6 said: "Dave28282 said: "RicardoMagon said: "There should be a black glinda because contrary to Broadway and Hollywood belief, there are black girls who are upper class and rich like Glinda."
There "should" not be any color Glinda.
The role should be based on other things and if a girl is talented over others they can slightly look past certain traits.
But don't go complaining that there "should be" a black Glinda. That's a toxic race focus. The core of the problem. That's not how casting works.
"
Who are you to dictate how casting works?"
It either works one way, or the other way.
Deliberately casting on the race of choice is a good thing or a bad thing.
Not just selectively agreeing if the race of choice suits you.
Dave28282 said: "Wicked has a history of casting POC in all roles.
I just don't think a black Glinda is the best option, as the whole point of the story is that she portrays the typical privileged sorority girl, who has never experienced anything butadoration,completely contrasting with the colored Elphaba. This contrast is the basis of their bond. One is colored and one is not. Glinda makes remarks about Elphaba's color and the whole story is about how she is excludedand Elphaba makes remarks and gestures about Glinda that suggest she is dumb and blonde and oblivious.
An African American actress is fully capable of portraying a "typical privileged sorority girl". An African American actress is fully capable of portraying someone "dumb and blonde and oblivious". And frankly, unless they find someone green to play Glinda, there will be a difference in skin color which is all that matters in the context of they story.
Dave28282 said: "Gizmo6 said: "Dave28282 said: "RicardoMagon said: "There should be a black glinda because contrary to Broadway and Hollywood belief, there are black girls who are upper class and rich like Glinda."
There "should" not be any color Glinda.
The role should be based on other things and if a girl is talented over others they can slightly look past certain traits.
But don't go complaining that there "should be" a black Glinda. That's a toxic race focus. The core of the problem. That's not how casting works.
"
I've seen Dave's past comments on race and casting. I will not be conversing with him. There's no point.
Dave doesn't work in casting and I would more than guess that Dave does not make his living working in the arts. And I will guess that Dave never will.
Dave28282 said: "Gizmo6 said: "Dave28282 said: "RicardoMagon said: "There should be a black glinda because contrary to Broadway and Hollywood belief, there are black girls who are upper class and rich like Glinda."
There "should" not be any color Glinda.
The role should be based on other things and if a girl is talented over others they can slightly look past certain traits.
But don't go complaining that there "should be" a black Glinda. That's a toxic race focus. The core of the problem. That's not how casting works.
"
Who are you to dictate how casting works?"
It either works one way, or the other way.
Deliberately casting on the race of choice is a good thing or a bad thing.
Not just selectively agreeing if the race of choice suits you."
Your post always reek of privilege. No one is robbing white actress of roles.
The door has just been opened on one particular character that it had been closed on.
Yes, a decision had most likely been made to open the door, that doesn’t deflect from the fact the actress is extremely talented.
Brittney's replacing Heather Spore, who actually hasn't been considered an understudy for years, but she was still listed as one because of something to do with how her contract is?? I don't know, I don't get it either. I hope she gets a lot of chances to go on, but even Lindsay doesn't go on that much, so unfortunately, I don't think she'll be performing as Glinda for quite a while. Congrats to her though!
The casting of Marcus Choi as George Washington in the Hamilton national tour has been tweeted about by so many Asian Broadway actors and actresses. Visibility matters.
Dave28282 said: "Gizmo6 said: "Dave28282 said: "RicardoMagon said: "There should be a black glinda because contrary to Broadway and Hollywood belief, there are black girls who are upper class and rich like Glinda."
There "should" not be any color Glinda.
The role should be based on other things and if a girl is talented over others they can slightly look past certain traits.
But don't go complaining that there "should be" a black Glinda. That's a toxic race focus. The core of the problem. That's not how casting works.
"
Who are you to dictate how casting works?"
It either works one way, or the other way.
Deliberately casting on the race of choice is a good thing or a bad thing.
Not just selectively agreeing if the race of choice suits you."
Casting directors literally cast actors based on their whiteness all the time, so what are you even talking about?
You're absolutely right that they should be cast in roles based on their talent alone. But that's not the case, and has never been the case, which is the issue.
Assuming the poster above is correct, and she’s replacing Heather Spore, the likelihood of her actually going on is fairly minimal. There’s a very clearly defined hierarchy in terms of Glinda covers at the Gershwin, with the standby going on first, and then in the rare instances the billed Glinda and standby are unavailable, Lindsay Northen has always gone on. They haven’t needed to go beyond Lindsay Northen in years, so all of this back and forth is likely for naught.
Dave28282 said: "Some people on here clearly haven't read or understood my post.
Clearly this girl was better than anyone else auditioning. Clearly all the other girls auditioning were not as good as her. She was clearly so much better, that they decided to overlook the story a bit.
That's cool. It's not the best option, but what can you do if no one else was as good as her?
She got the part and I'm happy and supportive for every person who gets the part. She will be great.
The problem lies in people seeing this particular role cast black as a victory, which is ridiculous and way too race focused."
Not the best option? Are we to infer that Dave has a problem seeing Black people are people with privilege? Is this because Dave is only comfortable seeing black people in a more subservient role?
Guys, don’t bother with Dave. When you boil down to it, all of his comments on race and “equality” always manage to be about why the Poor White Actors are being oppressed whenever it’s acknowledged that bringing more diversity to the stage is a good thing. I’m not shocked that he managed to find a reason to be upset about this news despite his usual crowing about “the best actor for the job.”
"Was uns befreit, das muss stärker sein als wir es sind." -Tanz der Vampire
Boq101 said: "Dave28282 said: "Some people on here clearly haven't read or understood my post.
Clearly this girl was better than anyone else auditioning. Clearly all the other girls auditioning were not as good as her. She was clearly so much better, that they decided to overlook the story a bit.
That's cool. It's not the best option, but what can you do if no one else was as good as her?
She got the part and I'm happy and supportive for every person who gets the part. She will be great.
The problem lies in people seeing this particular role cast black as a victory, which is ridiculous and way too race focused."
Not the best option? Are we to infer that Dave has a problem seeing Black people are people with privilege? Is this because Dave is only comfortable seeing black people in a more subservient role?
Elfuhbuh said: "Guys, don’t bother with Dave. When you boil down to it, all of his comments on race and “equality” always manage to be about why the Poor White Actors are being oppressed whenever it’s acknowledged that bringing more diversity to the stage is a good thing. I’m not shocked that he managed to find a reason to be upset about this news despite his usual crowing about “the best actor for the job.”"
I actually have a theory about Dave. This just came to me. I think he posts these comments, because he believes that if he spews this rhetoric enough, it will frustrate enough people, that the discussions about race/equality/diversity/etc. will die down on this website, for fear of what he'll say. I honestly think the best way to deal with him is to just ignore him, and pretend his posts in these threads don't exist. It's not like he knows what he's talking about anyway, so what's the point in engaging with him?
BroadwayRox3588 said: "Elfuhbuh said: "Guys, don’t bother with Dave. When you boil down to it, all of his comments on race and “equality” always manage to be about why the Poor White Actors are being oppressed whenever it’s acknowledged that bringing more diversity to the stage is a good thing. I’m not shocked that he managed to find a reason to be upset about this news despite his usual crowing about “the best actor for the job.”"
I actually have a theory about Dave. This just came to me.I think he posts these comments, because he believes that if he spews this rhetoric enough, it will frustrate enough people, that the discussions about race/equality/diversity/etc. will die down on this website, for fear of what he'll say. I honestly think the best way to deal with him is to just ignore him, and pretend his posts in these threads don't exist. It's not like he knows what he's talking about anyway, so what's the point in engaging with him?"
That's pretty much what we all should do at this point. It's telling the amount of mental gymnastics and changing of goalposts Dave accomplishes during these discussions, because no matter what, his arguments always land on why a white actor deserved a role/should have been cast instead of a POC. Race, in the real life, Earth-centric meaning, isn't a factor at all in Wicked, nor is Glinda specifically referred to in the script as a white woman, so there's no reason why a black actress who was The Best Person For The Job shouldn't be encouraged to play the part. (Also funny that he's bringing up non-existent "problems" with casting a black Glinda in regards to the story, when just a few weeks ago he was complaining about the idea that white people shouldn't be taking the Latino roles in West Side Story in light of the ACTUAL racial themes in the story. See? Moving goalposts and changing his tune whenever it suits getting a white person onstage over a POC.)
"Was uns befreit, das muss stärker sein als wir es sind." -Tanz der Vampire
Dave is a <<edited by BWW staff>> that a lot of people on this board has tried to educate. But he's unreachable. We just all just use the ignore/block feature so that he's effectively screaming into a void. It's upsetting and it's frustrating but some people would rather be a <<edited by BWW staff>>.
adamgreer said: "Assuming the poster above is correct, and she’s replacing Heather Spore, the likelihood of her actually going on is fairly minimal. There’s a very clearly defined hierarchy in terms of Glinda covers at the Gershwin, with the standby going on first, and then in the rare instances the billed Glinda and standby are unavailable, Lindsay Northen has always gone on. They haven’t needed to go beyond Lindsay Northen in years, so all of this back and forth is likely for naught. "
She has indeed replaced Heather. Amanda Jane doesn't miss often and neither does her standby. Brittney will be lucky if she even gets a chance to unless they alternate again.
Sondheimite said: "Dave is a<>that a lot of people on this board has tried to educate. But he's unreachable. We just all just use the ignore/block feature so that he's effectively screaming into a void. It's upsetting and it's frustrating but some people would rather be a <>."
...did the moderators really censor the word "racist"?
"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."