Black Glinda

TexanAddams18
Stand-by
joined:7/19/11
Stand-by
joined:
7/19/11
Black Glinda#51
Posted: 6/6/18 at 7:08pm

Dave28282 said: "Wicked has a history of casting POC in all roles.

I just don't think a black Glinda is the best option, as the whole point of the story is that she portrays the typical privileged sorority girl, who has never experienced anything butadoration,completely contrasting with the colored Elphaba. This contrast is the basis of their bond. One is colored and one is not. Glinda makes remarks about Elphaba's color and the whole story is about how she is excludedand Elphaba makes remarks and gestures about Glinda that suggest she is dumb and blonde and oblivious.


An African American actress is fully capable of portraying a "typical privileged sorority girl". An African American actress is fully capable of portraying someone "dumb and blonde and oblivious". And frankly, unless they find someone green to play Glinda, there will be a difference in skin color which is all that matters in the context of they story. 

RicardoMagon Profile PhotoRicardoMagon Profile Photo
RicardoMagon
Stand-by
joined:5/22/18
Stand-by
joined:
5/22/18
Black Glinda#52
Posted: 6/6/18 at 7:14pm

Dave28282 said: "Gizmo6 said: "Dave28282 said: "RicardoMagon said: "There should be a black glinda because contrary to Broadway and Hollywood belief, there are black girls who are upper class and rich like Glinda."

There "should" not be any color Glinda.

The role should be based on other things and if a girl is talented over others they can slightly look past certain traits.

But don't go complaining that there "should be" a black Glinda. That's a toxic race focus. The core of the problem. That's not how casting works.


"


 

I've seen Dave's past comments on race and casting. I will not be conversing with him. There's no point.

 

Sondheimite Profile PhotoSondheimite Profile Photo
Sondheimite
Broadway Legend
joined:12/5/14
Broadway Legend
joined:
12/5/14
Black Glinda#53
Posted: 6/6/18 at 7:16pm

Dave doesn't work in casting and I would more than guess that Dave does not make his living working in the arts.  And I will guess that Dave never will.  

Who cares what Dave thinks?

Broadway World's Fireman.
Dave28282 Profile PhotoDave28282 Profile Photo
Dave28282
Broadway Legend
joined:7/7/16
Broadway Legend
joined:
7/7/16
Black Glinda#54
Posted: 6/6/18 at 7:19pm

You have no idea...

But never mind, my quest for equality will not be harmed by some separatists!

Updated On: 6/6/18 at 07:19 PM
Sondheimite Profile PhotoSondheimite Profile Photo
Sondheimite
Broadway Legend
joined:12/5/14
Broadway Legend
joined:
12/5/14
Black Glinda#55
Posted: 6/6/18 at 7:22pm

Dave28282 said: "You have no idea..."

Community theatre board secretary doesn't count, bb

Broadway World's Fireman.
Gizmo6
Leading Actor
joined:6/16/17
Leading Actor
joined:
6/16/17
Black Glinda#56
Posted: 6/6/18 at 7:24pm

Dave28282 said: "Gizmo6 said: "Dave28282 said: "RicardoMagon said: "There should be a black glinda because contrary to Broadway and Hollywood belief, there are black girls who are upper class and rich like Glinda."

There "should" not be any color Glinda.

The role should be based on other things and if a girl is talented over others they can slightly look past certain traits.

But don't go complaining that there "should be" a black Glinda. That's a toxic race focus. The core of the problem. That's not how casting works.


"

Who are you to dictate how casting works?
"

It either works one way, or the other way.

Deliberately casting on the race of choice is a good thing or a bad thing.

Not just selectively agreeing if the race of choice suits you.
"

Your post always reek of privilege. No one is robbing white actress of roles. 

The door has just been opened on one particular character that it had been closed on. 

Yes, a decision had most likely been made to open the door, that doesn’t deflect from the fact the actress is extremely talented. 

The door should always be open. End of. 

Dave28282 Profile PhotoDave28282 Profile Photo
Dave28282
Broadway Legend
joined:7/7/16
Broadway Legend
joined:
7/7/16
Black Glinda#57
Posted: 6/6/18 at 8:04pm

Gizmo6 said: "Yes, a decision had most likely been made to open the door, that doesn’t deflect from the fact the actress is extremely talented.

The door should always be open. End of."

These are 2 different things. 

Yes, the door should always be open. But a decision made based on race is wrong. End of.

Bell0708
Understudy
joined:7/23/13
Understudy
joined:
7/23/13
Black Glinda#58
Posted: 6/6/18 at 8:11pm

Brittney's replacing Heather Spore, who actually hasn't been considered an understudy for years, but she was still listed as one because of something to do with how her contract is??  I don't know, I don't get it either.  I hope she gets a lot of chances to go on, but even Lindsay doesn't go on that much, so unfortunately, I don't think she'll be performing as Glinda for quite a while.  Congrats to her though!  

RicardoMagon Profile PhotoRicardoMagon Profile Photo
RicardoMagon
Stand-by
joined:5/22/18
Stand-by
joined:
5/22/18
Black Glinda#59
Posted: 6/6/18 at 8:12pm

The casting of Marcus Choi as George Washington in the Hamilton national tour has been tweeted about by so many Asian Broadway actors and actresses. Visibility matters.

Elegance101 Profile PhotoElegance101 Profile Photo
Elegance101
Broadway Legend
joined:8/24/17
Broadway Legend
joined:
8/24/17
Black Glinda#60
Posted: 6/6/18 at 9:15pm

Literally whenever I see a thread remotely involving race, I cringe at the thought of what Dave is going to post.

TrChSpHa
Understudy
joined:7/15/09
Understudy
joined:
7/15/09
Black Glinda#61
Posted: 6/6/18 at 9:18pm

Dave28282 said: "Gizmo6 said: "Dave28282 said: "RicardoMagon said: "There should be a black glinda because contrary to Broadway and Hollywood belief, there are black girls who are upper class and rich like Glinda."

There "should" not be any color Glinda.

The role should be based on other things and if a girl is talented over others they can slightly look past certain traits.

But don't go complaining that there "should be" a black Glinda. That's a toxic race focus. The core of the problem. That's not how casting works.


"

Who are you to dictate how casting works?
"

It either works one way, or the other way.

Deliberately casting on the race of choice is a good thing or a bad thing.

Not just selectively agreeing if the race of choice suits you.
"

Casting directors literally cast actors based on their whiteness all the time, so what are you even talking about?

You're absolutely right that they should be cast in roles based on their talent alone. But that's not the case, and has never been the case, which is the issue.

Sondheimite Profile PhotoSondheimite Profile Photo
Sondheimite
Broadway Legend
joined:12/5/14
Broadway Legend
joined:
12/5/14
Black Glinda#62
Posted: 6/6/18 at 9:28pm

I wish black movie actors who had less than perfectly melodic singing voices were cast in every role so Dave would literally explode.  

Broadway World's Fireman.
BroadwayRox3588 Profile PhotoBroadwayRox3588 Profile Photo
BroadwayRox3588
Broadway Legend
joined:10/5/16
Broadway Legend
joined:
10/5/16
Black Glinda#63
Posted: 6/6/18 at 9:40pm

Elegance101 said: "Literally whenever I see a thread remotely involving race, I cringe at the thought of what Dave is going to post."

This, though.

5.25.16 My life was changed by Bright Star 4.12.17 My life was saved by Anastasia
adamgreer Profile Photoadamgreer Profile Photo
adamgreer
Broadway Legend
joined:3/18/05
Broadway Legend
joined:
3/18/05
Black Glinda#64
Posted: 6/6/18 at 9:56pm
Assuming the poster above is correct, and she’s replacing Heather Spore, the likelihood of her actually going on is fairly minimal. There’s a very clearly defined hierarchy in terms of Glinda covers at the Gershwin, with the standby going on first, and then in the rare instances the billed Glinda and standby are unavailable, Lindsay Northen has always gone on. They haven’t needed to go beyond Lindsay Northen in years, so all of this back and forth is likely for naught.
Boq101
Broadway Star
joined:11/20/06
Broadway Star
joined:
11/20/06
Black Glinda#65
Posted: 6/7/18 at 12:35am

Dave28282 said: "Some people on here clearly haven't read or understood my post.

Clearly this girl was better than anyone else auditioning. Clearly all the other girls auditioning were not as good as her. She was clearly so much better, that they decided to overlook the story a bit.

That's cool. It's not the best option, but what can you do if no one else was as good as her?

She got the part and I'm happy and supportive for every person who gets the part. She will be great.

The problem lies in people seeing this particular role cast black as a victory, which is ridiculous and way too race focused.
"

 

Not the best option? Are we to infer that Dave has a problem seeing Black people are people with privilege? Is this because Dave is only comfortable seeing black people in a more subservient role? 

 

Elfuhbuh Profile PhotoElfuhbuh Profile Photo
Elfuhbuh
Broadway Legend
joined:3/23/14
Broadway Legend
joined:
3/23/14
Black Glinda#66
Posted: 6/7/18 at 1:17am
Guys, don’t bother with Dave. When you boil down to it, all of his comments on race and “equality” always manage to be about why the Poor White Actors are being oppressed whenever it’s acknowledged that bringing more diversity to the stage is a good thing. I’m not shocked that he managed to find a reason to be upset about this news despite his usual crowing about “the best actor for the job.”
"Was uns befreit, das muss stärker sein als wir es sind." -Tanz der Vampire
Dave28282 Profile PhotoDave28282 Profile Photo
Dave28282
Broadway Legend
joined:7/7/16
Broadway Legend
joined:
7/7/16
Black Glinda#67
Posted: 6/7/18 at 5:34am

Boq101 said: "Dave28282 said: "Some people on here clearly haven't read or understood my post.

Clearly this girl was better than anyone else auditioning. Clearly all the other girls auditioning were not as good as her. She was clearly so much better, that they decided to overlook the story a bit.

That's cool. It's not the best option, but what can you do if no one else was as good as her?

She got the part and I'm happy and supportive for every person who gets the part. She will be great.

The problem lies in people seeing this particular role cast black as a victory, which is ridiculous and way too race focused.
"



Not the best option? Are we to infer that Dave has a problem seeing Black people are people with privilege? Is this because Dave is only comfortable seeing black people in a more subservient role?


"

No, not at all.

Like I said, I fully support her.

Unlike the victimization others put on her.

BroadwayRox3588 Profile PhotoBroadwayRox3588 Profile Photo
BroadwayRox3588
Broadway Legend
joined:10/5/16
Broadway Legend
joined:
10/5/16
Black Glinda#68
Posted: 6/7/18 at 9:03am

Elfuhbuh said: "Guys, don’t bother with Dave. When you boil down to it, all of his comments on race and “equality” always manage to be about why the Poor White Actors are being oppressed whenever it’s acknowledged that bringing more diversity to the stage is a good thing. I’m not shocked that he managed to find a reason to be upset about this news despite his usual crowing about “the best actor for the job.”"

I actually have a theory about Dave. This just came to me. I think he posts these comments, because he believes that if he spews this rhetoric enough, it will frustrate enough people, that the discussions about race/equality/diversity/etc. will die down on this website, for fear of what he'll say. I honestly think the best way to deal with him is to just ignore him, and pretend his posts in these threads don't exist. It's not like he knows what he's talking about anyway, so what's the point in engaging with him?

5.25.16 My life was changed by Bright Star 4.12.17 My life was saved by Anastasia
Updated On: 6/7/18 at 09:03 AM
Dave28282 Profile PhotoDave28282 Profile Photo
Dave28282
Broadway Legend
joined:7/7/16
Broadway Legend
joined:
7/7/16
Black Glinda#69
Posted: 6/7/18 at 9:07am

Sticking your head in the sand is not the solution to equality.

Elfuhbuh Profile PhotoElfuhbuh Profile Photo
Elfuhbuh
Broadway Legend
joined:3/23/14
Broadway Legend
joined:
3/23/14
Black Glinda#70
Posted: 6/7/18 at 1:58pm
BroadwayRox3588 said: "Elfuhbuh said: "Guys, don’t bother with Dave. When you boil down to it, all of his comments on race and “equality” always manage to be about why the Poor White Actors are being oppressed whenever it’s acknowledged that bringing more diversity to the stage is a good thing. I’m not shocked that he managed to find a reason to be upset about this news despite his usual crowing about “the best actor for the job.”"

I actually have a theory about Dave. This just came to me.I think he posts these comments, because he believes that if he spews this rhetoric enough, it will frustrate enough people, that the discussions about race/equality/diversity/etc. will die down on this website, for fear of what he'll say. I honestly think the best way to deal with him is to just ignore him, and pretend his posts in these threads don't exist. It's not like he knows what he's talking about anyway, so what's the point in engaging with him?
"



That's pretty much what we all should do at this point. It's telling the amount of mental gymnastics and changing of goalposts Dave accomplishes during these discussions, because no matter what, his arguments always land on why a white actor deserved a role/should have been cast instead of a POC. Race, in the real life, Earth-centric meaning, isn't a factor at all in Wicked, nor is Glinda specifically referred to in the script as a white woman, so there's no reason why a black actress who was The Best Person For The Job shouldn't be encouraged to play the part. (Also funny that he's bringing up non-existent "problems" with casting a black Glinda in regards to the story, when just a few weeks ago he was complaining about the idea that white people shouldn't be taking the Latino roles in West Side Story in light of the ACTUAL racial themes in the story. See? Moving goalposts and changing his tune whenever it suits getting a white person onstage over a POC.)

"Was uns befreit, das muss stärker sein als wir es sind." -Tanz der Vampire
Sondheimite Profile PhotoSondheimite Profile Photo
Sondheimite
Broadway Legend
joined:12/5/14
Broadway Legend
joined:
12/5/14
Black Glinda#71
Posted: 6/7/18 at 2:08pm

Dave is a <<edited by BWW staff>> that a lot of people on this board has tried to educate.  But he's unreachable.  We just all just use the ignore/block feature so that he's effectively screaming into a void.  It's upsetting and it's frustrating but some people would rather be a <<edited by BWW staff>>.  

Broadway World's Fireman.
Updated On: 6/7/18 at 02:08 PM
mailhandler777
Broadway Star
joined:8/15/15
Broadway Star
joined:
8/15/15
Black Glinda#72
Posted: 6/8/18 at 12:45am

adamgreer said: "Assuming the poster above is correct, and she’s replacing Heather Spore, the likelihood of her actually going on is fairly minimal. There’s a very clearly defined hierarchy in terms of Glinda covers at the Gershwin, with the standby going on first, and then in the rare instances the billed Glinda and standby are unavailable, Lindsay Northen has always gone on. They haven’t needed to go beyond Lindsay Northen in years, so all of this back and forth is likely for naught. "

She has indeed replaced Heather. Amanda Jane doesn't miss often and neither does her standby. Brittney will be lucky if she even gets a chance to unless they alternate again.

Hi, I'm Val. Formerly DefyGravity777(I believe)
Kad Profile PhotoKad Profile Photo
Kad
Broadway Legend
joined:11/5/05
Broadway Legend
joined:
11/5/05
Black Glinda#73
Posted: 6/8/18 at 9:45am

Sondheimite said: "Dave is a<>that a lot of people on this board has tried to educate. But he's unreachable. We just all just use the ignore/block feature so that he's effectively screaming into a void. It's upsetting and it's frustrating but some people would rather be a <>."

...did the moderators really censor the word "racist"?

 

"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."
Dave28282 Profile PhotoDave28282 Profile Photo
Dave28282
Broadway Legend
joined:7/7/16
Broadway Legend
joined:
7/7/16
Black Glinda#74
Posted: 6/8/18 at 5:17pm

Elfuhbuh, your reaction is complete nonsense.

I say I fully support her and she was clearly the best for the job. And I have never said the things you mention abbout WSS either.

You are completely missing my point. All I say is victimization is not the way to equality. But clearly some people love to maintain that roles.

Updated On: 6/8/18 at 05:17 PM
JessSmith2
Swing
joined:12/25/17
Swing
joined:
12/25/17
Black Glinda#75
Posted: 1/10/19 at 12:56pm

I heard she is going on tonight. Can anyone else confirm if this is true? I would love to go see the show if it is!


3
Page: 3