Anyone know the REAL reason Hello Dolly refused to perform at the TONYS?- Page 6

[HogansHero]

Posted: 5/26/18 at 10:25am

RicardoMagon said: "dramamama611 said: "As has been said a dozen times: for whatever reason he couldn't get someone with enough star power to take over."

And you believe that?"

If you knew anything about the dynamics and personalities involved (and it's clear you don't) then you would understand. In light of the hundreds of inches of threads on this subject, you've come late to the party, and your naivete is embarrassing you (though you don't seem to know that either).

 

[RicardoMagon]

Posted: 5/26/18 at 10:30am

Your pompous persona would mean something  if you were intellectual enough to pull it off. The way you put your nose up in the air like you know more than everyone on here doesn't suit you anymore. Get a new shtick. 

[UncleCharlie]

Posted: 5/26/18 at 10:31am

RicardoMagon said: "dramamama611 said: "As has been said a dozen times: for whatever reason he couldn't get someone with enough star power to take over."

And you believe that?"

The people here can only make educated guesses about why he's closing the show, why Bette didn't perform at the Tonys, why Scott Rudin does anything he does.. People have been trying to help you for 3 days now even though everything you ask about has already been discussed and debated over and over  and over in other threads. And it's increasingly clear that you will quickly reject everything people suggest with a terse remark.Only Scott Rudin can give you a definitive answer. The people on this board can only take their best guess. So why don't YOU give us the reasons you think he has done these things, we can all quickly agree with you and then maybe this thread can finally enjoy the death it so richly deserves.

[RicardoMagon]

Posted: 5/26/18 at 10:35am

I already surrendered to the  idea that it was Bette who did not want to perform and that's why it didn't happen. I made that comment pages ago. I was good. But then the topic went into a whole other area and people ran with it. Believe me, I don't know why this topic has reached 100 comments. I was done with it at 40 comments. 

[HogansHero]

Posted: 5/26/18 at 10:54am

"like you know more than everyone on here"

If you read what I said, I was referencing what "everyone on here" said, without reference to any suggestion it stemmed from my personal knowledge. There is a collective intellect on this board that you can choose to learn from, or not. 

[ABitOnTheSide]

Posted: 5/26/18 at 10:54am

RicardoMagon said: "I already surrendered to the idea that it was Bette who did not want to perform and that's why it didn't happen. 

YET AGAIN I tell you there is NO FOUNDATION of truth in that comment. You asked a question, people answered it, yet you make up your own ridiculous answers on your own that have no basis in fact. 

What the hell did Bette do to you, run over your dog?

You really have some nerve calling someone upthread "pompous." You really should just walk away now.

 

Updated On: 5/26/18 at 10:54 AM

[RicardoMagon]

Posted: 5/26/18 at 11:04am

ABitOnTheSide said: "RicardoMagon said: "I already surrendered to the idea that it was Bette who did not want to perform and that's why it didn't happen.

YET AGAIN I tell you there is NO FOUNDATION of truth in that comment. You asked a question, people answered it, yet you make up your own ridiculous answers on your own that have no basis in fact.

What the hell did Bette do to you, run over your dog?

You really have some nerve calling someone upthread "pompous."You really should just walk away now.

"

Woah calm down. I get it, you love Bette and want to defend her at every moment but the conclusion I came to has nothing to do with my personal feelings for Bette Midler. I just find it hard to believe that if she wanted to perform live on the tonys, she'd be okay with someone telling her she can't. I mean she has performed on plenty of big stages. I don't think she didn't perform because she was afraid (as others have suggested). I think she didn't perform because she just didn't want to. Perhaps wanting to save her energy for the next week of shows so she wouldn't have to miss a performance? 

[ABitOnTheSide]

Posted: 5/26/18 at 11:09am

You don't get it.

You don't even realize that you're just making up reasons for her not performing.

There is no truth in your statements.

Why did you start this thread if you already had the (wrong) answer made up in your head? So people would agree with you? Kinda backfired.

[Papi2013]

Posted: 5/26/18 at 11:11am

RicardoMagon said: "ABitOnTheSide said: "RicardoMagon said: "I already surrendered to the idea that it was Bette who did not want to perform and that's why it didn't happen.

YET AGAIN I tell you there is NO FOUNDATION of truth in that comment. You asked a question, people answered it, yet you make up your own ridiculous answers on your own that have no basis in fact.

What the hell did Bette do to you, run over your dog?

You really have some nerve calling someone upthread "pompous."You really should just walk away now.

"

Woah calm down. I get it, you love Bette and want to defend her at every moment but the conclusion I came to has nothing to do with my personal feelings for Bette Midler. I just find it hard to believe that if she wanted to perform live on the tonys, she'd be okay with someone telling her she can't. I mean she has performed on plenty of big stages. I don't think she didn't perform because she was afraid (as others have suggested).I think she didn't perform because she just didn't want to. Perhaps wanting to save her energy for the next week of shows so she wouldn't have to miss a performance?"

There is no truth to anything you have said on any thread.  

[RicardoMagon]

Posted: 5/26/18 at 11:15am

I started this thread because I wanted a concrete answer from someone within the Broadway industry who might know the real answer. No one provided an answer, just their guesses. If you know the real reason then please say it. I completely acknowledge that the answer I have come up with may not be the truth, as I took my GUESS from a pool of hypothesis that were given to me on this thread. But you seem to know the real answer, why else would you be shouting about me not knowing the truth. So please do share...

[Oak2]

Posted: 5/26/18 at 11:53am

Ok fine, you caught me. I'm actually Scott Rudin. You want the REAL reason? Aliens. Benedict Cumberbatch himself came down and told me I wasn't allowed to show Bette on the Tony's because his species would find it offensive. Are you happy now?

[BalconyClub]

Posted: 5/26/18 at 11:54am

Hello posters.
Well hello posters.
It's so nice to hear you argue back and forth.

[raddersons]

Posted: 5/26/18 at 12:10pm

I know the REAL reason — but as a part of Broadway’s “deep state”, I’ve been sworn to secrecy, lest I get thrown into a pit of failed starving artists.

The truth is out there.

[HogansHero]

Posted: 5/26/18 at 1:18pm

@Ricardo, people have made an intelligent guess as to the answer to your question. Accept it or not. 

But what we don't have to guess about is that your explanation makes no sense. ("I just find it hard to believe that if she wanted to perform live on the tonys, she'd be okay with someone telling her she can't." That's naive. If it costs a million dollars to have her perform on the broadcast, do you think she is going to pay it? It's Rudin's bill, and he gets to decide how to spend his money. or not. Why is it naive? You seem to think she can just waltz in and sing a song. That's not how it works. The segment has to be produced, the planning and collaboration of creatives, crew etc has to be organized. Is she supposed to haul her costume over from the Shubert in a taxi? How is she going to get into it? Who is going to do her hair and makeup? Who is going to block her? Set the sound and light levels? It may all look effortless. It isn't.

[RicardoMagon]

Posted: 5/26/18 at 1:35pm

"@Ricardo, people have made an intelligent guess as to the answer to your question. Accept it or not."

Hogan, I did accept it. I concurred what my opinion of the hypothesizes were. Not much more to say than that. But  the conclusion I came to is certainly not out of the question. Of course I don't know if it's truth and I'm not saying it is the truth. If I knew the real reason why she didn't perform, why would I be asking people on here?  

But lets for a moment take your comment at face value and say you're correct. Let's say Bette wanted to perform on the tony awards but Rudin did not want to. So then what was stopping her from singing "so long dearie"? You don't need a set for that. You just need a bare stage. 

I'm of the OPINION that If Midler wanted to perform at the TONYS she would have found a way to, that wouldn't have broke Rudin's pocket book.  Do you have insider knowledge on this issue or are you just using hypotheticals? No shame in that, I'd just like to know if I'm talking to someone with actual knowledge of the topic or not. 

Updated On: 5/26/18 at 01:35 PM

[RicardoMagon]

Posted: 5/26/18 at 1:56pm

I will not. I have not broken any rules. No one is forcing you to be on this thread. I've been given very valuable information on this thread and made a hypothesis based on the guesses I have received. The issue here is some people don't like the conclusion I have come to and we're having a healthy discussion about it. No need for telling people to shut up. 

[DAME]

Posted: 5/26/18 at 2:14pm

RicardoMagon said: "I will not. I have not broken any rules. No one is forcing you to be on this thread. I've been given very valuable information on this thread and made a hypothesis based on the guesses I have received. The issue here is some people don't like the conclusion I have come to and we're having a healthy discussion about it. No need for telling people to shut up."

Your trolling and just trying to start stuff with people .  

[dmwnc1959]

Posted: 5/26/18 at 2:54pm

I honestly think that after six pages of this, on something that happened last year which was of no real consequence, that no one here other than you really cares any more. At all.

Maybe it’s time to let this thread die a respectable death? 

[HogansHero]

Posted: 5/26/18 at 3:18pm

The conclusion you put forth is naive and indeed out of the question. I don't necessarily think you are trolling here, but you have not served your reputation here well. You have the right to post whatever you want, but I suggest you treat this thread as a learning experience and not make it any worse for yourself. Whatever your motivation, time to give it a rest methinks. 

[ScottyDoesn'tKnow2]

Posted: 5/26/18 at 4:16pm

Not to add fuel to the fire or anything, but I think what RicardoMagon is asking is if Rudin and the producers were already paying for a Tony performance with David Hyde Pierce performing "Penny in my Pocket" in costume, then it could have easily been Bette performing "So Long Dearie" on a bare stage with or without costume. He's just wondering why that didn't happen and instead they brought DHP to sing a song most don't know from the score. I think his question wouldn't make as much sense if Hello Dolly! didn't perform anything at all, but there was a performance. I'm not saying he is right that it was Bette's decision and it could have been completely Rudin's idea after he and the Tony producers got into it and Rudin decided he didn't need the Tonys to advertise the show, which seems to be more-or-less the official story. I just don't think RicardoMagon asking should rile people up the way that it has in this thread.

Updated On: 5/26/18 at 04:16 PM

[dramamama611]

Posted: 5/26/18 at 4:25pm

Ok. Here's the real reason: if Dolly made him any more money, it would put him in a different tax bracket, and he just couldn't accept that.

How would you like anyone to convince you? How would you know if any of us are Broadway insiders?

Tell me 3 women of this age bracket thay are willing to do this show? As third fiddle? At whatever rate Rudin is willing to pay? And move to NY? And has the stamina to do so? And talent?

[ScottyDoesn'tKnow2]

Posted: 5/26/18 at 4:30pm

I don't think Rudin would have had any trouble finding somebody to replace Bernadette/Bette as he doesn't need an actress in the same exact age bracket to play Dolly. I do think he would have had trouble finding somebody who was bankable and had a name to attract audiences to play Dolly and decided to close up shop while he was ahead. I don't think somebody asking why a hit show closing while it's still a hit is that stupid of a question because that doesn't happen often even though those more experienced can come up with a few answers.

Updated On: 5/26/18 at 04:30 PM

[Wilmingtom]

Posted: 5/26/18 at 11:08pm

There's little motivation for producers to spend $200K+ to appear on a TV special when your show has virtually gone clean.  And not getting a big production number just made people want to see it all the more.

[RicardoMagon]

Posted: 5/27/18 at 12:54am

HogansHero said: "The conclusion you put forth is naive and indeed out of the question. I don't necessarily think you are trolling here, but you have not served your reputation here well. You have the right to post whatever you want, but I suggest you treat this thread as a learning experience and not make it any worse for yourself. Whatever your motivation, time to give it a rest methinks."

Not make it any worse for myself? You act like this is a prison and I have to toe the line or risk getting beat up. Here's a thought Hogan, If you don't like what I post, then feel free to comment and say so. But I'm not censoring myself because you find my comments  "naive". Looking over the comments you have made in the past, it looks like you find everyone's comments naive but your own. So i'll take your criticisms with a grain of salt. 

And I must say, you did not back up your assertion of why it was naive to think Bette couldn't have performed "So long dearie" on a bare stage. Your only response was "Youre naive because I said so". Funny how that works.


But do feel free to comment on my topics. I don't mind a heated debate and  you seem knowledgeable when you're not trying to talk down to everyone. But we all make choices on this board right?

A poster said it's time to let this thread die and I couldn't agree more. I got all the info I needed. Thank you everyone.

Updated On: 5/27/18 at 12:54 AM

[HogansHero]

Posted: 5/27/18 at 1:43am

@ricardo, take or leave my "advice" as you wish. I very explicitly said I was not attempting (not that I could anyway) censor you. One note regarding what Bette could have done: yes, of course, but that's beside both the point and your assertion. The latter was that it was up to her, and it was not. Though I think what happened was likely in line with her desires, were it not, it was not her call. Thinking otherwise was naive. There are a great many people on here who know what they are talking about, and quite a few who don't. When the latter persist in spouting erroneousness, they are probably gonna get called out here, whether by be or someone else. You've had the honor of being called out by many, in just this one thread. I hope you will continue to post robustly on other threads, mindful of what you know and don't.