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The Case of the Mysterious Disapearing Thread, Part Deux

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OK, so what was the horrible problem with the Chenoweth thread that got it censored? Does she buy ads here, too?

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what did the thread say?

"Contentment, it seems, simply happens. It appears accompanied by no bravos and no tears."
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Just speculation on roles she can play at her present age.

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That one disappeared as well? 

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newintown said: "Just speculation on roles she can play at her present age."

what roles were mentioned?

i think she could play Dolly Parton!

"Contentment, it seems, simply happens. It appears accompanied by no bravos and no tears."
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I was wondering too. Very strange 

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Hi all - there was some wording in the thread that was not consistent with how we talk about performers on BWW. I think this is a good time to remind everyone that when we are talking about performers these are real people and not just someone playing parts in a certain age bracket.

We're all for dream casting/roles they can play threads - but let's be extra respectful about it as well.

We do our best to strike a balance between open conversation and making sure we're also being respectful - and we erred on the side of caution on this one.

Hopefully we can keep the conversation more along the lines of "here are great roles someone can play."

If you have any questions or feedback feel free to shoot me an email to alan [at] broadwayworld [dot] com.

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let's face it folks: she's not as young as she used to be. that does not alter the fact that Kristin Chenoweth has one of the most gorgeous voices on the planet and is also a fantastic comedienne. i'm sure she has lots of terrific work ahead of her!

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The original poster was being kind of two faced:  on the one hand, he mentioned her "rapidly aging" and then showering her with praise.  It struck me as being hostile and praiseworthy.  Not a good combination.  

"Noel [Coward] and I were in Paris once. Adjoining rooms, of course. One night, I felt mischievous, so I knocked on Noel's door, and he asked, 'Who is it?' I lowered my voice and said 'Hotel detective. Have you got a gentleman in your room?' He answered, 'Just a minute, I'll ask him.'" (Beatrice Lillie)
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Only if you consider aging to be a bad thing!

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Uh-oh - so everyone's gotta play nice now? Might as well be at that other board...

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I get why deletion happens but if it is ever possible to show the offending language (without attribution) so we can learn what is not appropriate it sure would be helpful.

Or maybe give us a few sample Not This, But This examples now on the front end so we know where the line gets crossed.
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Alan Henry said: "We do our best to strike a balance between open conversation and making sure we're also being respectful - and we erred on the side of caution on this one.

Hopefully we can keep the conversation more along the lines of "here are great roles someone can play."

 

I did not participate in that thread but I think just deleting it is a very disrespectful way of silencing people. The essence of a forum is to have different opinions and of course there will always be some facts of life that will be mentioned here, such as age. Prohibiting that subject and only allowing mentioning "the great things" is a very scary practice.

Updated On: 9/12/17 at 09:29 AM
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Patti LuPone FANatic said: "The original poster was being kind of two faced: on the one hand, he mentioned her "rapidly aging" and then showering her with praise. It struck me as being hostile and praiseworthy. Not a good combination."

It struck me as just 2 normal facts that anyone can see and an interesting question about what roles she could play in the future. Sometimes talking about facts of life is more interesting than only praise. If anything, a combination seems balanced to me.

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Dave28282 said: "Alan Henry said: "We do our best to strike a balance between open conversation and making sure we're also being respectful - and we erred on the side of caution on this one.

Hopefully we can keep the conversation more along the lines of "here are great roles someone can play."



I did not participate in that thread but I think just deleting it is a very disrespectful wayof silencing people. The essenceof a forum is to have different opinions and of course there will always be some facts in life, that will be mentioned here, such as age. Prohibiting that subject and only allowing mentioning "the great things" is a very scary practice.
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"Very scary practice?" This ain't the UN. If BWW wants to control and monitor for common respect and decency, that's their prerogative. Don't like it? Go away.  

"I shall stay until the wind changes."
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devonian.t said: "Only if you consider aging to be a bad thing!"

We now know Alan Henry does.

Or am I not allowed to say this?

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LYLS3637 said: "Very scary practice?" This ain't the UN. If BWW wants to control and monitor for common respect and decency, that's their prerogative. Don't like it? Go away."

It doesn't matter where it is. Silencing people because they talk about subjects that you may find sensitive is never a good thing especially because that differs for everyone. In this case, aging, which is a beautiful thing in my opinion, should be encouraged to speak about. Silencing or deleting it or shouting "Go away" is never the solution.

 

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Patti LuPone FANatic said: "The original poster was being kind of two faced: on the one hand, he mentioned her "rapidly aging" and then showering her with praise. It struck me as being hostile and praiseworthy. Not a good combination."

I think a good chunk of that is Chenoweth's doing.  Boobs front and center, dressing she is still 19, etc.  I have sometimes felt that she needs to decide what she wants to be when she grows up.  A lot of the stuff she does beyond theatre is junk, e.g., Hallmark or Lifetime channel movies, in which ANYONE could play the roles.  She doesn't seem to be making any attempt to hold out for quality...her IMDB history is truly sad.

Yet, I saw her in a one person concert this winter and was surprised by how much her performance was toned down vs. the public persona, and she was really lovely.  I knew the voice would be there, but she was much realer and warmer than I have come to expect.  Here's hoping that she can find some post-20th Century roles that don't pin her as the aging bimbo.

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What's more concerning is that these left-and-right thread deletions are coming from a moderator team that still can't figure out how to let me type an 8 and a closed parenthesis without it turning into a cool-guy-with-sunglasses emoji. That's who I'm entrusting with my free speech rights on here?

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BroadwayConcierge said: "What's more concerning is that these left-and-rightthread deletions are coming from a moderator team that still can't figure out how to let me type an 8 and a closed parenthesis without it turning into a cool-guy-with-sunglasses emoji.That'swho I'm entrusting with my free speech rights on here?"

 

Good god. YOU HAVE NO FREE SPEECH RIGHTS HERE!!!! 

This is a business entity that can monitor content HOWEVER it wants. You don't like it-- tough S H I T

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I do hope that this doesn't become a mere fankid site, where nothing but gushing is permitted.

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The free speech argument is dumb but the emoji thing made me laugh.

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newintown said: "I do hope that this doesn't become a mere fankid site, where nothing but gushing is permitted."

It's been heading in that direction for a while now. When I joined this site 10+ years ago, there used to be wide-ranging discussions about theater history, experimental theater, Off and Off-Off Broadway, regional theater, opera, etc. Nowadays it's basically just musicals, Broadway, and "does X sign autographs after matinees?"

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"It's been heading in that direction for a while now. When I joined this site 10+ years ago, there used to be wide-ranging discussions about theater history, experimental theater, Off and Off-Off Broadway, regional theater, opera, etc. Nowadays it's basically just musicals, Broadway, and "does X sign autographs after matinees?""

Sad, but true. But you could say something similar about the country as a whole, I suppose. Sentiment and buzzwords have replaced thought and discourse.

The Michael Friedman thread is another indicator - one of the best theatre songwriters of our day dies, and only a handful of people reply, and most of them only cite his one Broadway show.

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Respectfully, newintown, I don't think the Michael Friedman thread is necessarily a good indicator of what you're saying (although I mostly agree with the overall point).

I can only speak for myself, who posted on it and did reference Bloody Bloody Andrew Jackson. But it's not for lack of wanting to know Friedman's other work. I'll be the first to admit that I am only in my 20s and still have much to learn. But that's why I'm a member of these forums.

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LizzieCurry said: "The free speech argument is dumb"

Your comment is dumb. Still, no need to delete it. Because it's only your opinion.

My opinion is that free speech is important, and that deleting random opinions of others that don't necessarily match yours (what is happening here on the forum and what this discussion is about) is alarming.

But considering the fact that you like to delete and erase everything in your way that does not match your way of thinking, you have probably blocked me so you won't read this anyway.

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