Goddammit but we need a new thread. That old one is too depressing.
The United States Constitution, Article II, Section 4:
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
There is talk among the conservative wing of the GOP, which never wanted him to be their candidate, that he is a ticking time bomb of high crimes and misdemeanors, and that if they unite with the Democrats to get rid of him, they could ride out the 4 years with President Pence. A lame duck, like Gerald Ford, better that Trump.
The union between Democrats and conservatives might seem too Machiavellian to be possible, but stranger things have happened recently.
Jordan Catalano said: "Let's just say he is brought up for impeachment. Do you really think that the Republican controlled House is actually going to vote to do that?
The vote probably wouldn't pass, but it depends on what he would be impeached for. Approval rating is vital for the Republicans [as it would have been for the Democrats].
In and of itself, it's a lovely fantasy, until you realize that Pence would become President. And, like the Wicked Witch of the West, "she's worse than the other one."
newintown said: "In and of itself, it's a lovely fantasy, until you realize that Pence would become President. And, like the Wicked Witch of the West, "she's worse than the other one.""
I think he's worse in a lot of ways, and particularly in terms of his actual commitment to social conservatism. He'd be disastrous for reproductive and LGBT rights - things I suspect Trump really isn't going to do much about.
That being said, I would trust the zombie-like Pence over short-fused and thin-skinned Trump with control over the military, relationships with antagonistic foreign leaders, and especially the nuclear arsenal. And those are all important things.
Many Democrats - including, I think, Obama and Clinton - said that Trump was abnormal and dangerous in a very particular way, beyond normal policy disagreements, and I think they're right. So I'd cautiously welcome impeachment (however unlikely that is).
This is still an apocalypse for the Republicans. It's only the Alt Right that has ascended to power. Not the Mainstream Republicans, not the Movement Conservatives.
PalJoey, a "political apocalypse" would be after the Federalist Party lost the election of 1800 and became squashed into oblivion during the Era of Good Feelings. You're delusional, counterproductive, and wrong saying that Republicans are facing a political apocalypse right now.
When I see the phrase "the ____ estate", I imagine a vast mansion in the country full of monocled men and high-collared women receiving letters about productions across the country and doing spit-takes at whatever they contain.
-Kad
"givesmevoice said: "So what's going on with his fraud trial?"
The trial is supposed to start on November 28, but I believe his lawyers filed a motion yesterday asking the judge to postpone the trial until after the inauguration. Their reasoning being, that he's too busy with the transition, and it's too important to the country, for him to be distracted with a trial at this time. What? He's not going to be busy after the inauguration? Ha!
And "the blacker the cherry, the sweeter the juice."
WTF????
I'm only gonna say this another 2000 times, get started on midterms yesterday!The Trumpkins can do damage but if they are harried and chivvied at each action by the Dems who ARE present that damage can be limited, until midterms when , hopefully the power imbalance can be redressed.
You titled a thread with the ambition of a "Republican apocalypse," and now Republicans control the White House, both chambers of Congress, the majority of governorships, and soon, the Supreme Court. That would be categorically delusional and wrong.
I say "counterproductive" because you elect to continue brewing and boiling partisanship rather than taking meaningful action. If there's a specific piece of policy to which you believe Republican control poses a serious threat, why not start a thread or launch a petition to achieve your goal? Dosomething. Targeting Republicans and denouncing the President-elect gets nobody anywhere and just fuels bitter partisanship.