George Floyd / May 2020 USA Protests Megathread- Page 5

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 6/4/20 at 10:14pm

It's a job. I recommend that they do leave. I long for the world Glenn Kirschner describes with such ease:

A police force that undergoes EXTREME VETTING before being hired;

 

EXTREME TRAINING that is ongoing,

 

and EXTREME ACCOUNTABILITY, including but not limited to a national database of every cop fired for disciplinary reasons in an effort to cut down on the many bad apples just moving to another city and starting their abuse all over again.

 

My line on the good cop thing is: "One good apple does not refresh the whole rotten bunch." Good cops have been as failed by the system as black citizens. It is clear that the way things stand it is apparently impossible for these good cops to do anything about the bad ones among them.

 

Defund, redesign, restructure. 

[Same As It Ever Was]

Posted: 6/4/20 at 10:35pm

This e-book is currently free. 
 

The End of Policing

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 6/4/20 at 10:42pm

dented146 said: "So right now, in many big cities, mayors and other leaders are calling for police departments to be stripped of some of their funding in order to have the money used for social programs. In the meantime cops are being assaulted with bricks, bottles, knives, etc. Many men and women who are just trying to protect people and propertyand have done nothing wrong are being injured and vilified from all sides.

If I was cop right now I would just want to walk away, give everyone the finger, and say screw you, protect your own f....g city. See how that works out for you.
 

Police departments are overfunded. The budget of the NYPD is 6 billion dollars. 1 billion dollars of that is supposed to be for community programs which the NYPD sucks at running. They could easily cut the budget by 1 billion and give that funding to community organizations that could make an actual impact.


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[sabrelady]

Posted: 6/5/20 at 12:22am

I am not going to comment on the situation in your country. Lord knows we have our own tsouris.

 

I will simply wish you all better times. Soonest.

G*d Bless.

[javero]

Posted: 6/5/20 at 3:37am

Quite a contrast between fantasy and reality.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 6/5/20 at 3:50am

At first I thought the second picture was from a social distancing revival of "Urinetown," and I hope somebody just wrote that down because it was just another brilliant idea that oozed out of my locked down brain.

 

[TotallyEffed]

Posted: 6/5/20 at 9:27am

The video of that poor old man being violently shoved to the ground by cops has me absolutely speechless with rage and sadness.

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 6/5/20 at 10:48am

TotallyEffed said: "The video of that poor old man being violently shoved to the ground by cops has me absolutely speechless with rage and sadness."

For 15 plus years I worked in an inner city high school. I saw students treated like this all the time.

[javero]

Posted: 6/5/20 at 3:46pm

At first I thought the display was tacky.  But, I quickly came to my senses and realized that DC's Mayor Muriel Bowser is on some next-level "ish".  As we say round da way, she got game. She has trolled the f*ck out of Trump.

DC's Black Lives Matter Plaza

Updated On: 6/5/20 at 03:46 PM

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 6/5/20 at 7:07pm

She's a hero.

[Highland Guy]

Posted: 6/6/20 at 1:20pm

TotallyEffed said: "The video of that poor old man being violently shoved to the ground by cops has me absolutely speechless with rage and sadness."

 

As I understand, all of the 50-plus officers in that unit have resigned from the unit (not the police force) in support of those two officers.

The two officers were suspended without pay.  Today, they were charged with second degree assault.  At the end of the hearing, a large crowd of police officers, firefighters and others gathered outside the court house to cheer and applaud the officers and, again, to show their support.  NOT support for the poor gentleman who was violently assaulted by the police, but for the officers who pushed him backwards to the ground.

I am filled with "rage and sadness" as well.

 

Updated On: 6/6/20 at 01:20 PM

[sabrelady]

Posted: 6/6/20 at 9:12pm

As I understand, all of the 50-plus officers in that unit have resigned from the unit (not the police force) in support of those two officers.

 

Welcome to upstate New York , Alabama with snow.

 

https://buffalonews.com/2020/06/06/experts-differ-on-push-that-focused-the-nation-on-buffalo/

Updated On: 6/7/20 at 09:12 PM

[SweetLips22]

Posted: 6/7/20 at 2:42am

and China looks on and laughs.

[Highland Guy]

Posted: 6/8/20 at 2:23pm

In his last moments of life, Mr. Floyd cried out for his Mama.  On June 9th in Houston, he will be buried next to his Mama.

Updated On: 6/8/20 at 02:23 PM

[Highland Guy]

Posted: 6/8/20 at 3:07pm

Bail for the cop who casually killed Mr. Floyd has been set at $1.25 million.  The next hearing is scheduled for June 29th.

[Pauly3]

Posted: 6/8/20 at 4:04pm

kdogg36 said: "There’s a certain Sondheim show that runs a bit shorter than others. It could use another song."

So the mods are going to let a vile suggestion such as this survive (six days now) just because it's cleverly disguised?

 

[kdogg36]

Posted: 6/8/20 at 8:30pm

Pauly3 said: "So the mods are going to let a vile suggestion such as this survive (six days now) just because it's cleverly disguised?"

I’m surprised too, but completely unashamed. 

That being said, my post was an expression of anger, not something I can own in an intellectual way. For one thing, I know that any attempt to use force to make a change would result in a terrible backlash that would involve a loss of general liberty and, probably, life. For another, I’m resolutely opposed to capital punishment, and that has to apply even to the vilest among us. 

Updated On: 6/8/20 at 08:30 PM

[Pauly3]

Posted: 6/8/20 at 10:07pm

Your honesty and transparency is refreshing.  I am sincere.

The intellectual dishonesty we see so frequently, such as accusing people of thinking George Floyd being high was justification for killing him, is crap.  There isn't anyone who disagrees the four police officers who heinously murdered and/or were complicit in the murder are deserving of murder/accessory charges and very long prison sentences.  The issues are deep and complex, yet no one seems to want to dive deeper and attempt to find common ground on any of the issues.

From the perspective of an opposing opinion that racism and disproportionate use of deadly force by police are not nearly as pervasive as being asserted repeatedly - if the opposing opinion were to be correct in actuality, then real change of the type being demanded now would be impossible.  In other words, you can't fix what isn't broken.  Please don't bother attacking the simpleton clarification.  I get it, but I think being very clear is important. This is a perspective that needs to be recognized, whether one agrees with it or not.  With a lack of any real data presented by those asserting massive wrongdoing and the unwillingness to discuss, who can be surprised that those who disagree would not change their minds based on simple and frequent assertions or even massive protests?  On the other hand, if the repeated assertions were to be accurate and true in actuality, why would anyone expect real change with the discourse as it is?  Figuring out what is and is not true seems like the place to start, to me.

Patience, honesty, transparency, lengthy discussion, learning and mutual respect would be a far better answer than "we don't know what else to do", in my opinion.  Unfortunately, my suggestion would require a seemingly impossible debate of millions of people capable of demonstrating such basic qualities to result in any real change.  And this definitely won't occur, unlikely or not, unless a few people start and provide a decent example.  I think it is a good suggestion, regardless.

[TotallyEffed]

Posted: 6/9/20 at 10:55am

Trump just tweeted this:

Buffalo protester shoved by Police could be an ANTIFA provocateur. 75 year old Martin Gugino was pushed away after appearing to scan police communications in order to black out the equipment. @OANN I watched, he fell harder than was pushed. Was aiming scanner. Could be a set up?

[Highland Guy]

Posted: 6/9/20 at 11:11am

TotallyEffed said: "Trump just tweeted this:

Buffalo protester shoved by Police could be an ANTIFA provocateur. 75 year old Martin Gugino was pushed away after appearing to scan police communications in order to black out the equipment. @OANN I watched, he fell harder than was pushed. Was aiming scanner. Could be a set up?"

 

To quote a cable tv reporter after reading the tweet:  "Trump is deranged". 

Updated On: 6/9/20 at 11:11 AM

[TotallyEffed]

Posted: 6/9/20 at 11:24am

He is pure evil.

[SweetLips22]

Posted: 7/1/20 at 7:05am

TotallyEffed said: "He is pure evil."

His mouth is the shape of an a#hole and that is where his every word is coming from.

[Passaggio]

Posted: 7/4/20 at 1:51pm

Same As It Ever Was said: "This e-book is currently free.


The End of Policing"

 

This defunding of police and the mainstream hate being directed at law enforcement across the United States is both unreal and infuriating. 

Unfortunately, all of the great strides that we've made as a nation in stamping out racism since the 1960's has been written out of history practically overnight. On this 4th of July, instead of celebrating this nation's independence from British rule, many across social media are participating in misguided #AllCountriesMatter movements, which seek to ignore the importance of this day to this great nation and instead pay homage to nations that have nothing to do with anything related to this day in American history. 

You know we're in trouble as a nation when these movements go viral and the same people who shout you down for misguidedly uttering "All Lives Matter," regardless of your intentions, are now unwittingly guilty of the exact same thing by chanting "All Countries Matter" on a day that is meant to celebrate independence, not mindless hypocrisy.