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How Do You Solve a Problem Like the Tonys#26
Posted: 8/9/20 at 10:31am
To be frank, insisting that the Tonys must go on because some people might call racism at one show not being eligible when the SAME THING happened to all the other shows that opened in that season is ridiculous. I know people like to call racism at everything these days, but we need to face the reality of why a shutdown caused the Tonys to potentially be cancelled instead of already scrambling for reasons to claim injustice where it’s really not relevant.
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How Do You Solve a Problem Like the Tonys#27
Posted: 8/9/20 at 11:47am

lemiz3001 said: "Yes, thanks Islander_fan. I never said Jeremy “deserved” to win, please look back on my post. The optics of refusing to nominate Slave Play (in turn, a response to the idea of calling the 2019-2020 season a ‘wash’ and moving on as posted above) would create a major public affairs problem in a post George Floyd-BLM world.


I also never called Slave Play a commercial hit. It was, undoubtably, a critical darling and a major press moment for Broadway. I’m more than happy to criticize and debate it’s artistic merits, but we’re talking about the Tony Awards here.
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lemiz3001, I completely agree there would be public outrage and accusations of racism if they cancel the Tonys and don't give Slave Play a chance to compete given the current political climate.  But my point is, I'm afraid we're at a point where we're going to get various outrage and accusations from the public regardless.  Let's say the Tonys happen and Slave Play doesn't win: There are going to be accusations of racism.  Let's say The Inheritance doesn't win: There are going to be accusations of homophobia.  Let's say West Side Story is nominated: There are going to be accusations of the Tonys supporting sexual assault.  And on and on and on.  So while I 100% see your point and there 100% would be outrage if the Tonys are cancelled, at the end of the day there's going to be outrage regardless, so I think holding an awards ceremony just so one show can be nominated and people won't protest doesn't make a lot of sense, in my opinion at least.

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How Do You Solve a Problem Like the Tonys#28
Posted: 8/9/20 at 12:03pm

This discussion of theoretical potential outrage at the theoretical absence of Slave Play in a ceremony that would be taking place a year and a half after the production closed at the *earliest* (and quite possibly even later than that) and after an unprecedented industry shutdown spanning at least two seasons is... very silly. 

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How Do You Solve a Problem Like the Tonys#29
Posted: 8/9/20 at 12:30pm
To me it’s an issue of basic fairness. Several shows opened in 2019 correctly assuming that they would be eligible for the next Tony awards. It isn’t their fault that the pandemic happened. There isn’t any reason why the Tony committee shouldn’t and can’t find a way to include them.

The awards are supposed to be a celebration of the broadway community. It simply wouldn’t be right to exclude shows who have earned the right to be there.
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How Do You Solve a Problem Like the Tonys#30
Posted: 8/9/20 at 12:46pm
I just have this image of the next Tony Awards in 2022 going to commercial and the voice over saying “and in a ceremony earlier tonight the 2020 Tony Awards for Best Musical and Costumes was awarded to Moulin Rouge”, followed by 10 seconds of a speech.
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How Do You Solve a Problem Like the Tonys#31
Posted: 8/9/20 at 6:56pm

Kad said: "This discussion of theoretical potential outrage at the theoretical absence of Slave Play in a ceremony that would be taking place a year and a half after the production closed at the *earliest* (and quite possibly even later than that) and after an unprecedented industry shutdown spanning at least two seasons is... very silly."

I agree with you.  I do not feel the Tonys have historically bowed to pressure to award a play because it was the politically correct thing to do.  Whether I agree with every winner (as with everyone else on this board, I do not), I think the winners have reflected reasonable integrity, sometimes in hard years with stiff competition.

I personally think that the one time I saw Slave Play was for me one of the most exciting performances I have attended in at least the past decade.  I also thought that The Sound Inside was an incredible play, gorgeously presented.  I was unable to see The Inheritance.  Those three plays alone would represent a stellar season for plays in most years, based on their reviews alone.  Any one of them could win in many seasons.  

Personally, I hope Slave Play wins if there is a attempt to recognize excellence in the aborted 2019 / 2020 season, but it wouldn't be criminal  if either of the other two plays were to win; and, since Broadway represents perhaps the most inclusive industry that I can think of, its loss would not be due to racism...it would be due to some excellent competition.  But, I still want it to win based on its sheer audacity and ability to entertain, make you uncomfortable, AND make you think.

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How Do You Solve a Problem Like the Tonys#32
Posted: 8/9/20 at 7:07pm

Jarethan said: "Kad said: "This discussion of theoretical potential outrage at the theoretical absence of Slave Play in a ceremony that would be taking place a year and a half after the production closed at the *earliest* (and quite possibly even later than that) and after an unprecedented industry shutdown spanning at least two seasons is... very silly."

Personally, I hope Slave Play wins if there is a attempt to recognize excellence in the aborted 2019 / 2020 season, but it wouldn't be criminal if either of the other two plays were to win; and, since Broadway represents perhaps the most inclusive industry that I can think of, its loss would not be due to racism...it would be due to some excellent competition. But, I still want it to win based on its sheer audacity and ability to entertain, make you uncomfortable, AND make you think.
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I'm not here to merit the idea whether the situation is silly or not, I'm merely stating that this is a conversation that is actually happening in high places. 

Again, I am responding to the idea that the Tony's decide to scrap the season right now and deem all shows from 2019-2020 ineligible for any awards. For many reasons, including the Slave Play quagmire, that is an unlikely situation. 

 

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How Do You Solve a Problem Like the Tonys#33
Posted: 8/9/20 at 7:14pm
The idea that a single show (and one that wasn’t even the best of the year) would have such pull over a ceremony happening is just silly.
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How Do You Solve a Problem Like the Tonys#34
Posted: 8/9/20 at 7:19pm

I'm not here to merit the idea whether the situation is silly or not, I'm merely stating that this is a conversation that is actually happening in high places. Again, I am responding to the idea that the Tony's decide to scrap the season right now and deem all shows from 2019-2020 ineligible for any awards. For many reasons, including the Slave Play quagmire, that is an unlikely situation.

If you are in one of those places, I hope someone tells you that it's called the TONYS. There is no dude named Tony who had an award show named after him. Although, that would be dope for him.....

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How Do You Solve a Problem Like the Tonys#35
Posted: 8/9/20 at 7:51pm

Sutton Ross said [after accidentally dropping the previous attribution]: "If you are in one of those places, I hope someone tells you that it's called the TONYS. There is no dude named Tony who had an award show named after him. Although, that would be dope for him....."

Actually, there IS a dude (dudette if you insist) named Tony (Antoinette) who had an award show named after her. But the apostrophe is still wrong. It is the Tony Awards (abbreviated to the Tonys) just as it is the Academy Awards, not the Academy's Awards, etc etc etc.


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