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Alex Brightman Bootleg Tweets#26
Posted: 12/21/19 at 4:39am

LizzieCurry said: "
The funny thing is probably about 10-20% of anyone on any given Broadway stage (including at the Winter Garden) has fond memories of trading videos either on VHS or megaupload. Not to mention watching a few less-than-legal videos on YouTube, I’m sure.
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I’d say the percentage is higher maybe 40%

 

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Alex Brightman Bootleg Tweets#27
Posted: 12/21/19 at 4:39am

LizzieCurry said: "
The funny thing is probably about 10-20% of anyone on any given Broadway stage (including at the Winter Garden) has fond memories of trading videos either on VHS or megaupload. Not to mention watching a few less-than-legal videos on YouTube, I’m sure.
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I’d say the percentage is higher maybe 40%

 

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Alex Brightman Bootleg Tweets#28
Posted: 12/21/19 at 9:53am
And then there are the constant posts from Broadway performers reposting bootlegs of themselves or asking for copies of bootlegs. Kind of undercuts all of the “don’t film the show” arguments from their colleagues.
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Alex Brightman Bootleg Tweets#29
Posted: 12/21/19 at 10:28am
Beetlejuice has gotta pick a side. Their entire fandom is built off bootleg clips that have gone viral on TikTok and Instagram. They “love their fans” when it’s convenient and helping with closing backlash, but not when it really means they’re just coming to film the show and post it online.
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Alex Brightman Bootleg Tweets#30
Posted: 12/23/19 at 7:50am

I don't want to start a fight, so I only have one thing to say. 

It's very interesting to me that people think theater is so inaccessible. If you have your heart set on seeing Moulin Rouge! in premium seats then yes, it will cost a fortune. if you want to see a show off Broadway, if you're able to rush a show, if you use discounts like BroadwayBox, TKTS, TDF, TodayTix (GOSH it bugs me when people call it TodaySTix with a "S"Alex Brightman Bootleg Tweets….it's SO much less expensive! The things that do cost money are hotels, food, etc. if you're coming from far away. Otherwise there are SO many ways to get affordable tickets. And if you can't afford tickets, I'm sorry, but even people who LIVE in places that are close to theater don't go. or can't afford it themselves. Theater is not only for the "elite" and I hate when people say that. The only way I've seen a show a bunch of times is because I save and then use codes or rush. We have to stop thinking theater is only for the rich. I am FAR from being rich. People just know how to get affordable tickets in their price range. 

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Alex Brightman Bootleg Tweets#31
Posted: 12/23/19 at 8:49am

Bettyboy72 said: "I think most performers prefer to not know they are being filmed. It’s distracting see people filming. I don’t think they are completely opposed to bootlegs.

A European woman next to me at Moulin Rouge was filming from the bun in her hair. No lie. She was completely stealth and disrupted no one. I did tell an usher but she left too quickly.

I always wonder how the bootlegs from the 80s and 90s existed? Did people lug camcorders into the theatre? God bless those people.
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I am absolutely curious about this too. There are some late 80s bootlegs of Phantom and Les Miz out there. Were they smuggling a camcorder in or did they pay big bucks for some kind of smaller recorder?

 

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Alex Brightman Bootleg Tweets#32
Posted: 12/23/19 at 9:17am

magictodo123 said: "I don't want to start a fight, so I only have one thing to say.

It's very interesting to me that people think theater is so inaccessible. If you have your heart set on seeing Moulin Rouge! in premium seats then yes, it will cost a fortune. if you want to see a show off Broadway, if you're able to rush a show, if you use discounts like BroadwayBox, TKTS, TDF, TodayTix (GOSH it bugs me when people call it TodaySTix with a "S"Alex Brightman Bootleg Tweets….it's SO much less expensive! The things that do cost money are hotels, food, etc. if you're coming from far away. Otherwise there are SO many ways to get affordable tickets. And if you can't afford tickets, I'm sorry, but even people who LIVE in places that are close to theater don't go. or can't afford it themselves. Theater is not only for the "elite" and I hate when people say that. The only way I've seen a show a bunch of times is because I save and then use codes or rush. We have to stop thinking theater is only for the rich. I am FAR from being rich. People just know how to get affordable tickets in their price range.
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Exactly. Well put.

I would plan my trips to NYC months ahead, as I have noticed some here do. Save and plan. I have seen some people say that they just can't get to NYC. I don't know the reasons. Possibly because they are too young to travel alone or their families can't make the trip. I grew up in PA just outside of West Philly. Prior to being able to go myself I went on one bus trip to NYC to see THE WIZ. Outside of that until I was able to go on my own I read magazines and watched stage performers on tv. That was my connection. When I was old enough to go up on my own (With a friend), I planned in advance.

I have not been able to see many many shows I have wanted to see. Some I have had to wait to see on tour when I lived across the country. Some I have seen regional productions of.

It is live theater. That is what makes it special. There was a comment about copyright issues. Believe it or not, there have been people who have gone to shows and snapped pictures or filmed because they are doing a regional production of a show and want to copy things from the original. I know people who have done this. Or tried. So the "wrongness" does include the copyright issues.

So if you can't see a show, you can't see it. I spent many a day in my room listening to cast recordings wishing I could see a show. I didn't feel then nor do I feel now that because one can't see a show that they should be filmed to see (And actually a lot are and can bee seen at the NYPL, if you have access or for broadcast on PBS) or that bootlegs are a good thing. Sometimes we just can't have what we want. I know that is a hard pill to swallow for some but that is just the way it is. JMO

 

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Alex Brightman Bootleg Tweets#33
Posted: 12/23/19 at 9:53am
At the end of the day, theatre is a business. Just like any other business. Just because it's entertainment or supposed to be opening people up to the arts or whatever else, it's still a business. The business owners set a price based on market demand. If you can and want to pay that price to see it? Great, you get to see it. If you can't or don't want to, then sorry, but you don't get to. No one owes you a free copy of the show just because you can't or don't want to pay what they're charging.

Sorry, not at all trying to be insensitive to folks who can't afford to see theatre--I'd wager every single person on this board has at some point been in that position, myself certainly included--but that's just how the market works. If I can't afford $400 sneakers, I don't get to walk up to the Nike store and demand a free copy of them. If there's a 10-day cruise to the Bahamas, I don't get to show up to the dock that morning and say "Give me a $30 rush ticket so I can afford this". If the business owner chooses to offer this? Great, that's wonderful. But they are under no obligation to and they certainly aren't obligated to allow you to film their product for free so other people can see it.
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Alex Brightman Bootleg Tweets#34
Posted: 12/23/19 at 9:54am

uncageg said: "magictodo123 said: "I don't want to start a fight, so I only have one thing to say.

It's very interesting to me that people think theater is so inaccessible. If you have your heart set on seeing Moulin Rouge! in premium seats then yes, it will cost a fortune. if you want to see a show off Broadway, if you're able to rush a show, if you use discounts like BroadwayBox, TKTS, TDF, TodayTix (GOSH it bugs me when people call it TodaySTix with a "S"Alex Brightman Bootleg Tweets….it's SO much less expensive! The things that do cost money are hotels, food, etc. if you're coming from far away. Otherwise there are SO many ways to get affordable tickets. And if you can't afford tickets, I'm sorry, but even people who LIVE in places that are close to theater don't go. or can't afford it themselves. Theater is not only for the "elite" and I hate when people say that. The only way I've seen a show a bunch of times is because I save and then use codes or rush. We have to stop thinking theater is only for the rich. I am FAR from being rich. People just know how to get affordable tickets in their price range.
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Exactly. Well put.

I would plan my trips to NYC months ahead, as I have noticed some here do. Save and plan. I have seen some people say that they just can't get to NYC. I don't know the reasons. Possibly because they are too young to travel alone or their families can't make the trip. I grew up in PA just outside of West Philly. Prior to being able to go myself I went on one bus trip to NYC to see THE WIZ. Outside of that until I was able to go on my own I read magazines and watched stage performers on tv. That was my connection. When I was old enough to go up on my own (With a friend), I planned in advance.

I have not been able to see many many shows I have wanted to see. Some I have had to wait to see on tour when I lived across the country. Some I have seen regional productions of.

It is live theater. That is what makes it special. There was a comment about copyright issues. Believe it or not, there have been people who have gone to shows and snapped pictures or filmed because they are doing a regional production of a show and want to copy things from the original. I know people who have done this. Or tried. So the "wrongness" does include the copyright issues.

So if you can't see a show, you can't see it. I spent many a day in my room listening to cast recordings wishing I could see a show. I didn't feel then nor do I feel now that because one can't see a show that they should be filmed to see (And actually a lot are and can bee seen at the NYPL, if you have access or for broadcast on PBS) or that bootlegs are a good thing. Sometimes we just can't have what we want. I know that is a hard pill to swallow for some but that is just the way it is. JMO


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I think you might be the first person who actually agrees with me :) I also held back on saying a lot because I don't want to fight about this subject again. It's gotten me in hot water before, so I just focused on the other part of this argument that people focus on. There are SO many amazing shows off-Broadway, off-off-Broadway that go unnoticed that should be given a chance! 

Hamilton. Fun Home. Slave Play, Hadestown. SO many others. These are shows that started off in smaller venues like New York Theater Workshop, Ars Nova (Great Comet), The Public Theater (which usually does have expensive tickets but you can rush their shows for less via TodayTix). All of thee shows started off in places that deserve more attention. That's when the tickets are less expensive! Plus, the quality is just as good!! 


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