Alzheimer's is terrible to deal with, but I can't be too sad for him. He was a raging homophobe.
My feeling about Dan is he does have some white male privilege going on. Like at tribal counsel when he was mentioning all he has accomplished in the middle of addressing concerns about his behavior. As if that makes any difference. Many powerful men (Weinstein, Trump, Bill Clinton) have a history of sexual harassment or worse. Do what you’ve accomplished is not a defense against reports of sexual harassment. Now I’m not saying Dan’s behavior was even close to those men’s behavior. It wasn’t from what I saw. But (also from what I saw), he only invaded the personal boundaries of the women, not the men. He wasn’t rubbing the feet of the men uninvited, as far as I could see. So that’s a problem. Not that he should be doing that to the men either. It would be interesting to know if these behaviors also permeated his workplace, but no one ever felt comfortable speaking up or they were fine with it. In the end, I think he has poor personal boundaries with women. He very possibly had no sexual intentions behind these behaviors, but ultimately only he knows. It’s also complicated by the fact that some of the women complained about it, but then retreated from their allegations. Murky waters for sure. Definitely not black-and-white, just like life. Which is what I liked about the episode. I’m usually not thinking about a Survivor episode the next day, but I suspect this one will stick with me. I do wonder how things will be for Dan and some of the other players (Elizabeth, Missy, Aaron) when they get home.On another note, I was really proud of Jamal for standing up for women at tribal counsel. I had an issue with him last week (can’t recall what; like I said, Survivor episodes don’t tend to stick with me), but between this and his tactful way of dealing with the do-rag comment a few episodes back, he proved impressive. It also points out that Survivor is allowing us to see real world issues playing out on the island more this season or maybe that’s just my perception.
They already are home Miles, they filmed this season last March/April. The season that airs this coming February filmed last June/July, so they're all just mostly silent on social media right now. Here's my issue with Dan: from episode 1, we saw Kellee complain to him, on camera, 1 on 1 about her being uncomfortable with his behavior, they discussed it, it was squashed, but clearly, crystal clearly, Dan did not stop. The entire pre merge. They showed him grabbing Missy's leg last week. He's disgusting, I've felt that way from episode 1. He clearly shows no remorse either, as he just wanted Jeff to move on from it. All he cares about is his self image and not the harm/how uncomfortable he has made these women feel. Thats my stance on Dan. Kellee addressed this with him on episode 1 and day 1, it should have stopped then. I am beyond glad they showed video for every single thing they mentioned, no way to defend yourself then, Dan. Missy and Elizabeth are truly, pathetic. Using this as strategy in the game was wrong on SO many levels. 1: Way to stand up for women who've been abused or harassed, including yourselves. I understand its a game, and thats one of the most difficult issues with sexual assault is speaking up, but Janet did and they SHAMED HER. F'ing wrong, and disgusting irreprehensible behavior from those two women. They tried to make Janet look like she lied about the entire thing, utterly disgusting. Jonny FairPlay is a SAINT compared to those two. 2: If the accusations against Dan were truly untrue (which we see they weren't), Elizabeth and Missy playing it up as if it was real is equally as disgusting. This is something not to be taken lightly, you're on national television, and his life and career could be ruined by this. Shows how ignorant and immature those 2 are when it comes to this subject. 3: They were laughing about it. They laughed about making up the story and playing it up big time. My God, just disgusting. I am a Survivor die hard, I listen to several podcasts about it weekly, I watch live every Wednesday and cancel plans to watch, this show truly means a lot to me personally. While I am truly disgusting and saddened by the majority of the contestants behavior, props to Survivor for dealing with this issue head on and not shying away from it one bit. Im really proud of Jeff for shutting Dan down, I'm really proud of this show for showing the situation like it is, no matter how tragic. Cause frankly, its reality. Women are silenced far too often, and the people who speak up become the villains. What a scary microcosm of America right now. Its going to be hard watching this season going forward, but oddly, stuff like this is why I love Survivor. Not because "OMG DRAMA" because this showed authentic, human emotion. God I was balling when Janet, life long fan, has an idol, wanted to quit because of how terrible people were. Just terribly sad, but real and raw and authentic. Again though, Survivor is the realest of reality tv, and shows why they are still here 20 years later. Love this show.
This not playing your idol thing especially when you have two is driving me nuts.
Maybe a bit of an overreaction, but I simply cannot watch this season after last week. I truly believe not enough was done on productions part, and they are MAJOR ones to blame here. According to Kellee's exit interviews, she approached Dan on day 1 (which we saw), Janet did on day 6, Lauren did not long after, then we have the group meeting and "official" warning given to Dan, I mean honestly, when is enough, enough? Im not sure what else they needed to feel he should be removed from the game. I understand this is a heavy situation, and they don't want to set the precedent of any player complaining to remove someone from the game, but, this is unacceptable. The video evidence is there, Probst didn't even ask Kellee about speaking at the last tribal until AFTER Jamal was voted out, she had no idea that tribal council was gong to be about her and the Dan situation , she was not allowed to see the episode beforehand, there was ZERO warning from production on any of this, there was nothing at the end of the show to acknowledge anyone triggered by this and hotlines to call/resosurces to get help for any sexual harassment victims, Probst has only done his weekly interviews via email rather than the phone, they JUST finally let Kellee and Jamal speak unlike most contestants who do the morning after. Idk, I'm very disappointed in this show. Been a big part of my life for quite some time but its hard to support the show much more after this, or for me at the very least I can no longer support this season. It doesn't seem many people outside of the hardcore survivor community have taken the last episode as hard as we have, but I am just so disturbed by whats transpired this season. Especially after all the talk about strong women, women's alliances, a woman winning this game, its so disappointing and I can't see how the season is salvaged. Plus, the practical zero response from Survivor and CBS other than "Just the craziness of the merge!" and no prior warning leaves a really sick feeling for me. Just my opinion, it does not have to be others. I'll likely join you all again for S40. Enjoy.
Boston Rob is so gross.
I have admittedly not watched this season since that awful merge episode, but I have heard Dan was removed for another incident. Kellee indicated on twitter it was another inappropriate touching, and some reports have led to believe it occurred when leaving a challenge, getting on a boat to head back to camp and Dan touched/grabbed a woman's leg (who happened to be a member of production) while getting on the boat to "Hold his balance". There is no confirmation this story is true, but its been reported a few times now. Probst and the rest of CBS and Survivor production have made no comment, so clearly in my eyes there is some legal action taking place somewhere. Who its between and what its about, we don't know. But man, Survivor, you totally f'd this up. Big time. Almost unforgivable for me. The fact another person had to be the subject of his behavior for something to be done SHOWS that they should've removed him at the merge, if not earlier. Just awful, and I feel so terrible for the women on this season, the other contestants who's dreams of being on the show are tainted from Dan, Dan's family and son who will forever be known as the family member of that creepy dude on Survivor. Its just a terrible situation that frankly should have been handled before. I doubt this is the last we hear of this, for a long time to come. They are even pre taping the finale and reunion show next week. I REALLY hope that is just because they don't want it live and being out of control, but if its only to save any comments that speak poorly of production and/or CBS, then shame on them. I recommend going to Kellee's twitter as she had a great statement after last night. Hopefully, CBS, and the Survivor production team can learn from this. If anything else to learn here, as Karishma said recently: Believe woman, and keep your hands to yourself.
I read that the pre taping is for "security" measures. Whatever that means.
Jeff's comments on Dan's removal:Survivor host Jeff Probst talks about first player ever ejected from the game
Mister Matt said: "Jeff's comments on Dan's removal:Survivorhost Jeff Probst talks about first player ever ejected from the game"Him not saying anything makes me 100% believe a lawsuit is going on. Whether its Dan vs CBS, the victim of this latest incident vs CBS, Dan vs this person, Kellee vs CBS, who knows. But clearly, CBS has to be to blame at some point here. This issue began on DAY 1. DAY 1. This should have never gotten as out of hand as it did. Shame on you Survivor and Jeff Probst, you should truly feel ashamed of yourselves. I know it means nothing because I'm 1 person, but you've lost a viewer in me.
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