Scott Rudin takedown

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#450Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 4/23/21 at 12:12pm

ctorres23 said: "Charley Kringas Inc said: "I've known people in many positions who are extremely akin to Rudin on a smaller scale"

Fortunately there was a protest yesterday and this will all be fixed once the...

*checks notes*

...actor's union becomes more BIPOC friendly.
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Non-sequitur alert.

Poseur alert.

Troll alert.

Racism alert. 

This is not a pretty look, dear. It's didn't work out for AfterEight. Not going well for you either.

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#451Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 4/23/21 at 12:44pm

I hope Scott Rudin is actually getting therapy because after reading that Vulture article, it's clear that he's an abusive man but he can't be a happy person. No happy, well-adjusted person acts like that. Despite his millions and all those awards he needs help. 

#452Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 4/23/21 at 12:44pm

HogansHero said: "Non-sequitur alert.

Poseur alert.

Troll alert.

Racism alert.

This is not a pretty look, dear. It's didn't work out for AfterEight. Not going well for you either.
"

Let me hold your hand through the logic of this post.

1. This thread is about Scott Rudin being taken down for abusing his assistants

2. Yesterday there was a protest where, ostensibly, the number one item was punishing Scott Rudin for abusing his assistants (so we're still on topic)

3. The poster I was responding to made the point that Scott Rudin is far from the only person in power that demonstrates this abhorrent behavior.

4. I connected #2 and #3 to acknowledge that, other than punishing Scott Rudin, there were no other line items in the protestor's demands that in any way address the systemic abuse of assistants.

5. But, for some reason, everything else in the protest was about actors, the acting union, and BIPOC inclusion.

6. That makes no sense, so I made this point in a glib and humorous manner.

As a side note, while we're having a meta-discussion, calling me "dear" is right up there with "honey" and "sweetie" as sexist and condescending names I have absolutely no time for.

I might post provocative and controversial opinions on this board but I haven't ever attacked or name-called another poster. Meanwhile, I am just getting sh*t from you constantly. Knock it off, please.

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LizzieCurry
#453Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 4/23/21 at 12:59pm

Wow, I see I made some very good blocking-related choices earlier this month.


"This thread reads like a series of White House memos." — Mister Matt

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#454Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 4/23/21 at 1:05pm

I love when Lizzie ANNOUNCES over and over again she has blocked people on this website. 

Nobody cares, dear. 

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#455Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 4/23/21 at 1:09pm

Wow. Scott Rudin is mentally ill. He needs to seek help beyond mere “anger management”.

In reading this article he comes off as petty, insecure and downright pathetic. He doesn’t come across as someone “in power” or “to be feared”.

His behavior has been abhorrent and he must be held accountable for his actions.

There are others out there doing this, and they are probably spending sleepless nights wondering if they are next.

Good. I hope that they are and I hope they are all exposed.

You reap what you sew.

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#456Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 4/23/21 at 2:19pm

ctorres23 said: "As a side note, while we're having a meta-discussion, calling me "dear" is right up there with "honey" and "sweetie" as sexist and condescending names I have absolutely no time for.
 

I do not know your sex. Kinda takes the wind out of the sexist claim. Condescending? Yeah, you are a racist troll and as such deserve all the condescension you get. 

I might post provocative and controversial opinions on this board but I haven't ever attacked or name-called another poster. Meanwhile, I am just getting sh*t from you constantly. Knock it off, please."

Nothing you post is provocative or controversial, it is just racist trolling. Want me to knock it off? Stop being a racist. I call out racists and apologists. you are both. and a troll. 

Playbill_Trash
#457Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 4/23/21 at 3:00pm

@HogansHero: The fact that you cannot even follow or acknowledge the logic (and lack there of in the case of the protest) that @ctorres23 clearly laid out is just more proof of how certain (not all - but in this case, you) self-proclaimed social justice warriors cannot get anything accomplished. If you cannot make a clear and logical argument that identifies the root source of issues and presents relevant solutions to the conversation, then you're just a pompous windbag who prides themselves on flexing their laminated SAT vocab flashcards.

The protest yesterday was completely misguided and everyone involved in it should be embarrassed and ashamed for being so publicly uninformed. Actor's Equity clearly explained how the "removal" of Scott Rudin really has nothing to do with them, but still the self-righteous actors who want everything handed to them chose Equity to blame. The victims of Rudin's abuse were his employees of his company- not the talent of his projects. So direct your anger on this issue away from Equity, and ask yourself what is a productive way to achieve what you want. If you don't, you only have yourself to blame for not being heard.

Casting directors are watching and listening and they have every right to dodge the bullet of every moron that marched yesterday. I hope they enjoyed their stroll down Broadway, because it will be the last time they will be on Broadway for a long time.

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#458Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 4/23/21 at 3:11pm

ctorres23 said: "HogansHero said: "Non-sequitur alert.

Poseur alert.

Troll alert.

Racism alert.

This is not a pretty look, dear. It's didn't work out for AfterEight. Not going well for you either.
"

Let me hold your hand through the logic of this post.

1. This thread is about Scott Rudin being taken down for abusing his assistants

2. Yesterday there was a protest where, ostensibly, the number one item was punishing Scott Rudin for abusing his assistants (so we're still on topic)

3. The poster I was responding to made the point that Scott Rudin is far from the only person in power that demonstrates this abhorrent behavior.

4. I connected #2 and #3 to acknowledge that, other than punishing Scott Rudin, there were no other line items in the protestor's demands that in any way address the systemic abuse of assistants.

5. But, for some reason, everything else in the protest was about actors, the acting union, and BIPOC inclusion.

6. That makes no sense, so I made this point in a glib and humorous manner.

As a side note, while we're having a meta-discussion, calling me "dear" is right up there with "honey" and "sweetie" as sexist and condescending names I have absolutely no time for.

I might post provocative and controversial opinions on this board but I haven't ever attacked or name-called another poster. Meanwhile, I am just getting sh*t from you constantly. Knock it off, please.
"

Provocative? Hardly. *Yawn*

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#459Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 4/23/21 at 5:37pm

ctorres23 said: "As a side note, while we're having a meta-discussion, calling me "dear" is right up there with "honey" and "sweetie" as sexist and condescending names I have absolutely no time for.

I might post provocative and controversial opinions on this board but I haven't ever attacked or name-called another poster. Meanwhile, I am just getting sh*t from you constantly. Knock it off, please.
"

 

yes

 


Non sibi sed patriae

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#460Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 4/23/21 at 6:03pm

@Playbill_Trash It's pretty clear that you have no idea what you are writing about. I have never posted anything suggesting I supported the particular protest you are referencing other than in the sense that I believe in free speech so I support their right to march or protest or say whatever they want. TBH I have read almost none of what has been written about it, before or after. What I do know is that it is a very faint blip on the radar screen. In fact, my post that has you exercised was essentially an objection to an elevation of that protest that seemingly sought (ineffectually of course) to use it to troll racist tropes. If that's what you are here to defend (and from what I can tell it is), then have a blast. But expect to be called out when you peddle that evil.

 

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#461Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 4/23/21 at 6:42pm

HogansHero said: "ctorres23 said: "As a side note, while we're having a meta-discussion, calling me "dear" is right up there with "honey" and "sweetie" as sexist and condescending names I have absolutely no time for.


I do not know your sex. Kinda takes the wind out of the sexist claim. Condescending? Yeah, you are a racist troll and as such deserve all the condescension you get.

I might post provocative and controversial opinions on this board but I haven't ever attacked or name-called another poster. Meanwhile, I am just getting sh*t from you constantly. Knock it off, please."

Nothing you post is provocative or controversial, it is just racist trolling. Wantme to knock it off? Stop being a racist. I call out racists and apologists. you are both. and a troll.
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What you are is a bully.  The perfect example of BWW trash.  

showman91
#462Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 4/23/21 at 11:13pm

@ctorres You may not have called anyone names, but whether you've intended to or not you have trivialized the claims of lots of the people who have chosen to do something brave and come forward. I know because I have already spoken to a reporter about my experiences surrounding this issue. Personally, I feel like your contributions to the conversation are solely to get a rise out of people.

#463Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 4/24/21 at 11:36am

showman91 said: "@ctorres You may not have called anyone names, but whether you've intended to or not you have trivialized the claims of lots of the people who have chosen to do something brave and come forward. I know because I have already spoken to a reporter about my experiences surrounding this issue. Personally, Ifeellike your contributions to the conversation are solely to get a rise out of people."

See, I feel like the protest itself trivialized the claims of the assistants. It really felt like, from my perspective as an outsider, that the protest's organizers co-opted the assistants' claims of abuse and used it to further a totally separate agenda that was more centered on issues that were personal to them.

As a thought experiment, imagine if in the immediate aftermath of the Harvey Weinstein sexual assault stories breaking, Hollywood actors staged a protest where Demand #1 was "Remove Harvey Weinstein from the Producers Guide, or donate a LARGE sum of money to BIPOC organizations". How would the women he sexually assaulted have viewed that demand? How would they have viewed the fact that demands #2 through #6 addressed an issue that had nothing to do with their personal victimization? To me, that would feel insulting.

That's the lens I'm viewing this through. The assistants, after years of essentially being ignored by the public, are finally having their reckoning. And the first protest in the aftermath pays basic lip-service to the abuser, but makes absolutely no mention of the abused themselves, and offers no steps to rectify the systemic issues that led to their abuse.

Updated On: 4/24/21 at 11:36 AM

#464Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 4/24/21 at 11:47am

HogansHero said: "TBH I have read almost none of what has been written about it, before or after. What I do know is that it is a very faint blip on theradar screen."

Calling a protest centered on BIPOC inclusion "a very faint blip on the radar screen" is white supremacy.

Must be nice to be able to ignore these people as they fight for equity. Your privilege is showing.

(Back to reality: if you're planning to continue your bully tactics, maybe this will be how we interact going forward. We'll just accuse each other of being racists back and forth, forever.)

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#466Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 4/24/21 at 12:50pm

ctorres23 said: Calling a protest centered on BIPOC inclusion "a very faint blip on the radar screen" is white supremacy."

Uh no.

Most definitely not.

It is merely an assessment of the scope and scale of one protest and its potential impact.

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#467Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 4/24/21 at 12:54pm

A couple things:

1. I believe Rita Wilson because Scott Rudin acted the same way when Audra McDonald got pregnant;

2. I can't believe the return for investors for Hello Dolly! were that low -- $5000 for one. That show was making so much in box office. Where'd all the money go?

3. It's a shame Rudin dropped A Sound Inside because that was an excellent play.

4. Goes without saying but his behavior is horrible. He needs help, as much for himself as for other people.

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#468Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 4/24/21 at 4:34pm

poisonivy2 said: "A couple things:

1. I believe Rita Wilson because Scott Rudin acted the same way when Audra McDonald got pregnant;

2. I can't believe the return for investors for Hello Dolly! were that low -- $5000 for one. That show was making so much in box office. Where'd all the money go?

3. It's a shame Rudin dropped A Sound Inside because that was an excellent play.

4. Goes without saying but his behavior is horrible. He needs help, as much for himself as for other people.
"




Bette doesn't work for cheap. And good for her.


HUSSY POWER! ------ HUSSY POWER!

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#469Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 4/24/21 at 4:56pm

@poison to your only question: double wide full color ads suck up a lot of investor money. 

an unrelated random thought: if as was reported SRP did not pay his ad agency millions, that suggests the money was transferred from the llc to him. If that's the case. there is a fraud case waiting to happen. 

Popcorn. Light on the salt, please.

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#470Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 4/24/21 at 5:09pm

The money certainly wasn't going to his (I guess now former) midtown office, that's for sure. It was relatively small, dark, cluttered, and clearly not renovated since maybe the early 90s. I was only there once, but it stuck with me, considering Rudin's outsize reputation and success.


"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."

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BroadwayBen
#472Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 4/28/21 at 8:22pm

Do we think there will be public announcements about how he's stepping back from his shows?   Are other producers taking over?  How does that work?   Or does it?    

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#473Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 5/3/21 at 3:27pm

HogansHero said: "Nothing I am saying diminishes his odiousness but this just does not ring true, for any number of reasons....

"She needed the gig to pay the bills"? [Not likely for several reasons I can think of.
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I realise this topic is almost dead and buried but - interestingly in the book "Nothing Like a Dame", where Donna Murphy was interviewed in 2008 and 3 times in 2012, she speaks rather openly about her financial challenges and how it impacts the kind of work she takes on. It would therefore not surprise me if this gives further weight to the rumour (in addition to her almost obsessive liking of tweets criticising Scott Rudin).


"You can't overrate Bernadette Peters. She is such a genius. There's a moment in "Too Many Mornings" and Bernadette doing 'I wore green the last time' - It's a voice that is just already given up - it is so sorrowful. Tragic. You can see from that moment the show is going to be headed into such dark territory and it hinges on this tiny throwaway moment of the voice." - Ben Brantley (2022) "Bernadette's whole, stunning performance [as Rose in Gypsy] galvanized the actors capable of letting loose with her. Bernadette's Rose did take its rightful place, but too late, and unseen by too many who should have seen it" Arthur Laurents (2009) "Sondheim's own favorite star performances? [Bernadette] Peters in ''Sunday in the Park,'' Lansbury in ''Sweeney Todd'' and ''obviously, Ethel was thrilling in 'Gypsy.'' Nytimes, 2000

SporkGoddess
#474Scott Rudin takedown
Posted: 5/3/21 at 5:15pm

Reading this thread, I saw some speculation as to Rudin's mental health and specific possible diagnoses. As an actual psychologist, I'm going to encourage people not to armchair diagnose Rudin, especially within the context of his abusive behavior.


Jimmy, what are you doing here in the middle of the night? It's almost 9 PM!
Updated On: 5/3/21 at 05:15 PM