Making It On Broadway - th truth?
Making It On Broadway - th truth?
clarky
Stand-by Joined: 4/25/04
#0Making It On Broadway - th truth?
Posted: 11/7/04 at 3:16amIs that book really telling the truth? If yes, it doesn't really make Broadway look good...
sean martin
Broadway Star Joined: 7/4/04
#1re: Making It On Broadway - th truth?
Posted: 11/7/04 at 3:54amBroadway is a business, and you cannot forget that. Screw art and talent and all that -- it all comes down to business, pure and simple.
"That duck was a sexual toy, and it was on display!" -- an unknown Nashville town leader
broadwayguy2
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/18/03
#2re: Making It On Broadway - th truth?
Posted: 11/7/04 at 6:09amoh how true sean. The public only sees the "glitz and glamour". Audiences see tehs how.. not the business.
#3re: Making It On Broadway - th truth?
Posted: 11/7/04 at 9:34am
That book made me sad and angry. Look at all the people on this board who would love to someday be in a Broadway show and are working toward that, or who would have loved to have done it but never made it. It's a business, yes, of course it is, there's tons of money at stake, but for the performers, they're ultimately getting paid good money to sing, dance, and act onstage in front of an appreciative crowd every night. To become as jaded as most of the people in the book are about it, and not realize how great it is to have been in even one Broadway show, is pitiful. Quite a large percentage of the population of this country works at jobs they hate every minute of, barely making enough to support their families. The perspective of most of the actors in that book is very, very off, to say the least. And this is coming from someone who worked in that business for over a decade. I've seen it all, believe me. But I've also spent enough time in the real world to know what perspective is.
An interesting thread that ran through it was actors stating that such and such "would never be allowed in the corporate world." If they truly believe the corporate world is sunshine and lollipops, why don't they work in it? Because they know that performing is more fun, better hours, and generally better pay at similar education levels. No profession is perfect.
Have I ever shown you my Shattered Dreams box? It's in my Disappointment Closet. - Marge Simpson
Updated On: 11/7/04 at 09:34 AM
Al Dente
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/22/03
#4re: Making It On Broadway - th truth?
Posted: 11/7/04 at 9:47amInteresting, when I slammed this book for those very reasons when it first came out, I was all but lambasted. I'm glad people are seeing the light...finally.
sean martin
Broadway Star Joined: 7/4/04
#5re: Making It On Broadway - th truth?
Posted: 11/7/04 at 10:33am
>> Because they know that performing is more fun, better hours, and generally better pay at similar education levels.
Not to quibble here, but do you actually work on Broadway? There's little fun with the endless rounds of auditions looking for work, having to settle for some low-end job just to pay the bills. Better hours? Rehearsals can go on for 14-hour days sometimes. Better pay? A line job in Detroit pays far better and has far less stress.
Yes, those of us who work in this field work long hours for minimal return, but we do because we love the end goal of doing something creative and (sometimes) unique and that people will (hopefully) love: you cant get that kind of instant reaction in any other field, unless you're a professional politician. But let's not delude anyone with how wonderful a career it is. It's not. It's one of the worst if you're looking to make a decent salary and have any sense of job security. Those tales of cast members in CATS staying long enough to buy homes on Long Island are great anecdotes, but your average Broadway worker, whether performer or technical staff, stands about as much a chance of that actually happening as a college football player has of getting into the pro leagues. Professional theatre is a rough job, and like any other rough job, the longer you're in it, the more jaded you're gonna become at the minimal returns.
It's not art, kids. It's a business, like any other.
"That duck was a sexual toy, and it was on display!" -- an unknown Nashville town leader
broadwayguy2
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/18/03
#7re: Making It On Broadway - th truth?
Posted: 11/7/04 at 10:49am
No, I did not work on Broadway, and the very reason I chose not to shortly after moving here to try was the reason of job insecurity, which every person going into that field is fully aware of going in, by the way. I stayed on the other side - working for producers, managers, agents, and actors. I had no more job security, as it turned out, than any of my actor friends. The longest job I held was two years. And I worked far more hours and made far less money than any of them. Rehearsals are for 4 - 6 weeks, then you work three hours a day for the remainder of the run, excepting the rare put-in rehearsals. I was putting in 8 - 10 hours a day in the office, then working second and sometimes even third jobs to pay my rent. And that was every week - not just "rehearsal weeks."
Have I ever shown you my Shattered Dreams box? It's in my Disappointment Closet. - Marge Simpson
#8re: Making It On Broadway - th truth?
Posted: 11/7/04 at 10:55amI enjoyed the book for what it's worth. In fact, I've got a great story that could start a whole new chapter! Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
"I'm learning to dig deep down inside and find the truth within myself and put that out. I think what we identify with in popular music more than anything else is when someone just shares a truth that we can relate to. That's what I'm searching for in my music." - Ron Bohmer
"I broke the boundaries. It wasn't cool to be in plays- especially if you were in sports & I was in both." - Ashton Kutcher
"I broke the boundaries. It wasn't cool to be in plays- especially if you were in sports & I was in both." - Ashton Kutcher
clarky
Stand-by Joined: 4/25/04
#9re: Making It On Broadway - th truth?
Posted: 11/7/04 at 11:51amwould you like to share that great story with us?
#10re: Making It On Broadway - th truth?
Posted: 11/7/04 at 12:05pmI loved the book, but it is the reason I've decided not to pursue an acting career. Good thing I'm 13 and have my whole life to make the right choice.
Plum
Broadway Legend Joined: 3/4/04
#11re: Making It On Broadway - th truth?
Posted: 11/7/04 at 12:42pmStill...acting isn't such a horror house that everyone's abandoned the profession, is it? In the end, the best you can do is look at as many of the facts as you can and talk to people who are in the business- if you're going to rely on anecdotal evidence, at least go for a large sample size- and make your own decision.
#12re: Making It On Broadway - th truth?
Posted: 11/7/04 at 1:49pmI wanted to read this book, but this thread made me scared to buy it!! I don't need to be more discouraged about going into this buisiness...
Sunchips: Best Kept Secret in the chip aisle!!
bronxboundexpress
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/15/04
#13re: Making It On Broadway - th truth?
Posted: 11/7/04 at 1:53pmKnock on doors and be ready to get down on your knees. Sean, I think, gave the most intelligent answer to this question.
#14re: Making It On Broadway - th truth?
Posted: 11/7/04 at 1:57pmI just bought it, but now I'm terrified to read it. I don't want to be severely depressed. It's now sitting on my kitchen counter and will be for a while.
#15re: Making It On Broadway - th truth?
Posted: 11/7/04 at 2:03pm
This thread should not discourage you from buying the book, or from reading it. It will however, tell the the brutal facts. Most actors, who are successful now, will tell you that before the galm, and tony noms, and red carpets... they went through a lot of crap. Living 4 to a room, long dance calls, crappy jobs ect...
I do not think that anyone going into this business was told "just move up to new york, and get yourself one of those fancy smancy broadway jobs, here is an agent, it will be easy..." If you were, you were lied to. I do believe however, that if you are here long enough, and stick to it, hone your craft, and work on your art. There is a chance for you. So take the bitter truth, put it in your pocket as fact, and persue your dreams. "There is gold in them there hills, and I'm gonna find it or die trying..." TMM enough said!
<< Gavin Creel and Kate Baldwin making vocal love... I adore these two.
Plum
Broadway Legend Joined: 3/4/04
#16re: Making It On Broadway - th truth?
Posted: 11/7/04 at 2:05pmThe book isn't all anti-glamour stories. There's fun stuff in there, too, or else I wouldn't have bothered finishing the thing.
grownupgroupie
Broadway Star Joined: 10/15/04
#17re: Making It On Broadway - the truth?
Posted: 11/7/04 at 2:10pm
Work is work.
In theory, art and commerce meet on Broadway, but the reality of menial, depressing dayjobs is just as Sean and Rath and others have said....the sad thing is, so many of us have moved here from wherever because "you can't make a living as an actor in ________." But the thing is...how many actors are making livings as actors in NY? Not many. You can work constantly, but that doesn't mean you will be paying the bills that way. I have very few friends who live soley from their acting work, and if they do it's under-fives and day player jobs, not non-equity tours that barely pay a living wage! And obviously, that's at a lower level. But even if you "make it" and you're making around $1388 a week or whaever AEA min. is right now, there is no guarantee of the next job, and then you're pounding the pavement again.
On the other hand, the corporate world sucks. I highly recommend trying out BOTH paths in life for process of elminiation. Had I not led a soul-sucking, depressing life in corporate PR and Marketing (with a degree in Theatre, mind you) I never would have had the resolve and certainty to go back for my MFA and start going for it. And god knows I haven't "made it." But I've been working, and I have tried other things with more regular pay and know that this is what I have to do...at least "for now."
There are also a lot of opportunities to make theatre, be an artist, be a performer--outside of the commercial theatre. Let's be honest, very few of us "make it." You have to determine your priorities, face the reality of it as a BUSINESS, and do what you can live with and what makes you happy.
Updated On: 11/7/04 at 02:10 PM
#18re: Making It On Broadway - the truth?
Posted: 11/7/04 at 2:43pmI have read the book. It had some very interesting things in it..But it made me wonder if that is how theater life really is, Do you really have to stuggle that bad in order to make a living? I think they bend the truth a little.
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mizzie
Featured Actor Joined: 9/30/04
#19re: Making It On Broadway - the truth?
Posted: 11/7/04 at 2:56pmI read this book, and it is rather depressing. Still, I think that one of the most important things it is telling you is that you shouldn't just move to New York thinking you'll get into a Broadway show and become rich and famous. It's telling you to have a sort of back-up plan....this book is also the reason I want to get a University Degree instead of just a diploma, so that I won't work in a restaurant my whole life if I don't make it on Broadway. That's the point I believe this book is trying to get across. Also, you may notice that no matter how many complaints the actors in the book have about the business, they are still in it because they have a true love of Broadway, which is incredibly inspiring.
#20re: Making It On Broadway - the truth?
Posted: 11/7/04 at 3:03pmI also read the book and found it depressing but I also found a lot of good things in it. I agree with mizzie that one of the things it emphasizes is that you should not just move out to New York with out back up plans. What I got from the book primarily was that if you do not truly love acting/being on stage more than anything else in the world and can see your self doing something else, than do that because acting on Broadway, and in Hollywood, is very diffucult. But if acting is all that you know and all that you ever want to do then go for it but don't rely on it, you never know what is going to happen.
"Someone please tell me- when the hell did gravity become the enemy? How has an essential force of nature, something that makes it possible for life to even exist on this planet, come to deserve the scorn and hatred of every teenage girl with no head voice?"- Broadway Matt
Benzy92
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/24/03
#21re: Making It On Broadway - the truth?
Posted: 11/7/04 at 4:03pmI aspire to be on Broadway one day and the book did not turn me away. It is the truth. Everyone wanting to be on Broadway should read it IMHO.
Speed
Broadway Star Joined: 7/12/03
#22re: Making It On Broadway - the truth?
Posted: 11/7/04 at 4:05pm
Yes, there's a lot of crap before the glam and Tony noms. But what about the crap AFTER the glam and Tony noms. I mean, everyone on this board is always talking about the next big star or the new young actor getting his break... what about the old actors? And soon that "next big star" will be old news while everyone is talking about someone else. Look over the last several years of Tony nominations and even Tony wins... are they all working on Broadway? It's rough.
That's the toughest thing about this business..... even when you WIN, you lose.
I mean, Jarrod Emick won a Tony Award and was the HOT ACTOR IN TOWN when he was doing DAMN YANKEES ten years ago. Now everyone's talking about Cheyenne Jackson and some posters in here didn't even know who Jarrod WAS!!
What do they say about the 5 Stages of an Actor?
1. Who is Joe Actor?
2. Get me Joe Actor!
3. Get me a Joe Actor type!
4. Get me a young Joe Actor!
5. Who is Joe Actor?
Most people spend their entire career stuck in Stage 1. Everyone loves being at Stage 2 if they can get there. Everyone is really HAPPY and RICH when their at Stage 3, but look out... that means STAGE 4 is around the corner... and uh oh... Stage 5.
Plum
Broadway Legend Joined: 3/4/04
#23re: Making It On Broadway - the truth?
Posted: 11/7/04 at 5:41pm
I've gotten through, "Hey, lady, aren't you whoozis?
Wow, what a looker you were!"
Or better yet, "Sorry, I thought you were whoozis.
Whatever happened to her?"
GirlfriendFromCanada
Broadway Legend Joined: 10/7/03
#24re: Making It On Broadway - the truth?
Posted: 11/7/04 at 6:04pmIf anything, I think a lot of the anecdotes in this book are good to show that you should not have high expectations if you do decide that you want to be a Broadway performer. It seemed to me that a lot of the unhappiness that people who contributed were feeling was based on expectations they had that were never met. I'm sorry, but I will not sympathize with the actor who was complaining she lived in a one bedroom apartment with a tiny kitchen. She's not the only one. She chose the job she has and works hard to do well with it, but it's still a job. It's not a bye into the great things of the world. Should Broadway actors be chasing rats down the hallway? No. But what career path should?
