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Fat activists protest diet industry
Posted by jrb_actor 2004-08-03 03:35:08


http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/diet.fitness/08/02/fat.activism.ap/index.html

Interesting issue.

I know that some people have health reasons for their weight. I know that some people will never be able to be thin--it's just not the body God gave them. I know that even if someone is heavy, obese, or morbidly obese, it isn't MY place or anyone's to make fun of them or treat them with disrespect.

However, I know that most people do not have an excuse for their weight. That most Americans eat crap and way too much of it. That most Americans are not active in the least. I do not think it is a bad thing for society to say that poor eating habits and lack of activity are bad. I know that I was heavy because of these very things. And, our grandparents' generation wasn't this heavy.

An example: I get people all the time who complain that a particularly theatre's seats are too small. The lobby is too small. Or, that there are too many stairs--how dare there not be an elevator??!! Well, the theatre was built when people didn't have these problems.

So, where do we go from here on this issue?

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Posted by DGrant 2004-08-03 03:45:10


I'm not sure what to make of the thought that 'fatness is a natural human characteristic.' I guess it is if what you find natural is the complete proliferation of junk food and a sedentary lifestyle.

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Posted by iflitifloat 2004-08-03 05:35:46


Dismayed that Medicare has finally classified obesity as a disease??? Oh, please. I'm all for people having self-esteem, but my guess is, that when push comes to shove, not many of the activists will refuse coverage of their medical tests and bills by Medicare or other insurance when obesity is the qualifying diagnosis that permits payment.

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Posted by Zola Q. LaPlaya 2004-08-03 08:40:19


Fat activists?? PUH-LEEEEEZE.

Treat all people with respect but let's be real about our health.

It's all cool with me if someone wants to avoid exercise in favor of cramming their face full of crap and washing it down with a Diet Coke (NO ICE!). It's cool with me as long as they don't end up oozing their blubber over my armrest to my space on the plane.

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Posted by popcultureboy 2004-08-03 08:54:15


Did I read it right that they are getting upset that an airline makes them pay for two seats if they are too big to fit into just one? Now, I am not the skinniest person around, but I am siding with the airline on this one.

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Posted by mominator 2004-08-03 09:01:15


Amen Zola and popculture!

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Posted by Plum 2004-08-03 09:27:32


Look- there are "overweight" people who are perfectly healthy and at their ideal weight. But at the point when you take up two airline seats, I think there's a problem. In some cases, it might be not entirely the person's fault- they might have hypothyroidism, for instance- but it's not good for anyone.

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Posted by popcultureboy 2004-08-03 09:29:56


If you have a proven medical condition that causes you to be the size of a house on 1000 calories a day, then it's a whole different matter, and if you can prove said condition, you'd probably find airlines a titch more accommodating. But if you take up two seats because you've eaten your way to being as wide as you are tall, then it's nobody's problem except your own.

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Posted by Rathnait62 2004-08-03 09:34:15


As someone who enjoys eating crap and LOVES diet coke (ice, please!), I also side with the airlines. Yes, I could stand some more exercise and to cut down a bit - I could stand to lose a few, no question. However, my weight is my problem. If it ever got to the point where it inconvenienced others, then I would have to pay for it, and not expect others to accommodate me.
The majority of overweight people are in that position because they put themselves there. The people who are overweight for medical reasons are few and far between.

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Posted by papalovesmambo 2004-08-03 09:57:01


i am ashamed of all of you people. this is a civil rights case pure and simple. these poor people are being discriminated against because of a medical condition. a disease recognized and codefied by the ama and the nih. to callously discriminate againts these larger americans is no different than separate water fountains and keeping marriage as the privilege of heterosexuals. would you support discrimination against those born with mental problems? would you support discrimination against those born with the wrong genetalia for their true gender? i put it to you people, isn't his an indictment of all those who are different? i am shocked, shocked and amazed to see so many who argue for equal rights for all citizens so quick to denigrate those among us who are differently abled with the curse of obesity. for shame.

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Posted by DGrant 2004-08-03 10:01:30


papa - you don't think that the 'codification' has anything to do with the pharmaceutical or insurance industries, do you?

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Posted by papalovesmambo 2004-08-03 10:02:43


shhhh, d, this is the whale support thread, don't confuse the issue with reality, dammit.

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Posted by popcultureboy 2004-08-03 10:02:52


Oh shut UP. You are not born with the curse of obseity. It's not a case of discrimination. Very very very very VERY few of the people who are morbidly obese can claim they are that way through no fault of their own, and for those few it's a different matter, like I said in my previous post. For people who got to the morbidly obese stage through laziness and overeating, well stop blaming everyone else, stop eating and start exercising. It worked for me.

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Posted by WindyCityActor 2004-08-03 10:03:50


I have to agree about the airline seats....I was once crammed against the window of the airplane by a VERY overweight passenger. Fortunately, there happened to be one...just one...empty seat left on the plaine which I was able to use.

Suffering from back trouble, I shutter to imagine what my back would have felt like after being tourqued for several hours.

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Posted by Zola Q. LaPlaya 2004-08-03 10:10:48


Papa, some of your sarcasm just dripped on me. I licked it off and it tasted good. Maybe I'll order a whole pint!

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Posted by papalovesmambo 2004-08-03 10:11:59


hmmm, now why does that sound familiar to me?

they're lazy and if they would just take responsibility of their lives they would be able to change them. why should we have to pay for and suffer for things that they could fix themselves if they would just get up off their lazy butts and do something, huh?

i mean please, this is a natural consequence of the utter embrace of the abdication of responsibility for anything at all levels of our society (and yes, boys before you freak, gw should have said something sooner about the poor post war planning at the very least). but for years now, activists have been finding someone else to blame for every ill that befalls a person, so why should it not have followed it's logical course and include obesity? could not food be just as potent an addiction as drugs or liquor? and let's look at the science, they have found the "fat" gene, so why do we fight the progress of these medical breakthrus?

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Posted by iflitifloat 2004-08-03 10:12:15


Nice rant, papa, but you missed the point. The activists are saying that obesity is NOT a medical condition. They appear to be taking exception with obesity being accepted as a medical diagnosis which impacts on what tests and procedures are covered. Call me crazy, but this seem a lot like shooting yourself in the foot. Now, I'm the first (or at least the second) in line to agree that people should be judged on substance, not form. And I think it's terrific that someone who looks aberrant to the accepted cultural standards of looks still feels good about him/herself. But, in most cases, people also have to accept responsiblity for their "state of being". To be sure, there are many acceptions where medical conditions and/or medications make it difficult, if not impossible, to lose weight(...I'm thinking of some of the immunosuppressive drugs, prednisone, things like that...), but *these* aren't the people who are arguing that obesity is not a health issue. Bottom line: the majority of people packing extra pounds do so because of things which are ultimately a choice issue...food choices and exercise. In my case, my unwanted pounds may be directly attributed to chocolate, in many forms, and the Dunkin'Donuts" seasonal special, the very fabulous Lemon Burst donut.

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Posted by SonofMammaMiaSam 2004-08-03 10:13:19


Oh hell Z, order a gallon. You need to put on a few pounds.

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Posted by Zola Q. LaPlaya 2004-08-03 10:16:56


Actually I don't, SOMMS. According to the official US guidelines, I'm overweight. My bodyfat levels are really low, but muscle is heavier than fat, so that puts me in the fatty-fatty-bo-batty category. Waist size = 30 and I'm overweight. Go figure.

By the way, I went to get a pint of the best stuff, but Star Jones was there and bought out the place.

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Posted by SonofMammaMiaSam 2004-08-03 10:18:20


So that's what happened to MMS

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Posted by papalovesmambo 2004-08-03 10:18:22


good lord, flit, you can't blame them for their warped thinking! all that fat clouds the logic circuits of the brain! which is the fault of mcdonald's and the other members of the fast food industrial complex. you should watch super size me and you'd understand the peril in which our society finds itself in its war against the corporations.

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Posted by popcultureboy 2004-08-03 10:19:11


Zola, according to the US Body Mass Index charts, you're actually normal weight, so that might be the best one to go by.

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Posted by DGrant 2004-08-03 10:19:23


papa - Slight disagreement on the addictive qualities of food. While alcohol and drugs have proven chemical addictive qualities, food I see as purely psychological. Bit of a difference to me.

But I absolutely agree about the 'natural progression of things' in a society that has abandoned personal resposibility.

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Posted by SonofMammaMiaSam 2004-08-03 10:20:01


I'm heading out to Krispy Kreme. Can I get anyone anything?

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Posted by popcultureboy 2004-08-03 10:20:29


Wasn't there some guy who sued McDonalds because it made him fat?

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Posted by Plum 2004-08-03 10:20:29


I think BMI applies to people with at least semi-sedentary lifestyles. Not athletes or other people whose body weight is mostly muscle. So that recent press release accusing the government of saying Will Smith, Hugh Jackman, etc. are overweight, is BS, really.

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Posted by robbiej 2004-08-03 10:23:53


Ya know who did a lot more harm than good? Camryn Manheim.

She kept going on and on about fat girls because, YES, next to Lara Flynn Boyle, she looks to be the size of Everest.

Imagine my surprise when I saw her in person and found her to be, though a bigger girl, quite shapely. Though bigger, she seemed perfectly healthy and quite sexy.

But her proclaiming a win for the fat girls really did harm to those that are actually obese.

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Posted by Zola Q. LaPlaya 2004-08-03 10:26:43


Robbalicious, you opened Pandora's Box -- I hear them rushing in now, all those "eating disorder" advocates. We're going to be subjected to 1000 posts about all their friends who have bulimia and all the binge and purge nightmares.

Bring it on, people, we're listening.

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Posted by SonofMammaMiaSam 2004-08-03 10:28:51


Oh Z, I just threw up my KKs!

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Posted by robbiej 2004-08-03 10:31:14


Zolamomma,

BRING IT! I went to drama school. I'd say nearly 80% of the girls there developed some sort of disorder. I can take it!!

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Posted by Zola Q. LaPlaya 2004-08-03 10:33:48


I threw up all my creatine shake with soy, my egg white omelette with broccoli and spinach, my ration of two strawberries, my scoop of cottage cheese and about 43 vitamins and other nutritional supplements. It looks like I loosened some of the botox too.

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Posted by papalovesmambo 2004-08-03 10:34:01


yer all worthless and weak! now drop and give me twenty!

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Posted by ViciousCircle 2004-08-03 10:34:10


...But after a while I caught on. I mean, I saw what they were
hiring. I also swiped my dance card once after an audition, and on a scale of one to ten, they gave me for dance: ten, for looks: THREE.

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Posted by ckeaton 2004-08-03 10:34:54


Oh robbie, to be honest, there were a fair share of the girls in SU drama (from '96-'00) that didn't have any eating disorders... that's for sure. Voluptuous, yet not overweight, lovely... quite yummy.... mmmm.... SU Drama.... mmmm....

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Posted by robbiej 2004-08-03 10:36:56


You're talking about the musical theatre girls, aren't you?

We were known for our zaftig singing ladies.

I know a whole bunch of people from those years (even though I had already graduated).

We should compare notes.

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Posted by SonofMammaMiaSam 2004-08-03 10:37:12


Probably all were nypho's

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Posted by ckeaton 2004-08-03 10:37:23


I had 87 dollars in my pocket and seven years of tap and acrobatics. I could do a hundred and eighty degree split and come up tapping the Morse Code. Well, with that kind of talent I figured the Mayor would be waiting for me at Port Authority.

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Posted by Zola Q. LaPlaya 2004-08-03 10:38:43


The Mayor of Crack Addicts would be waiting for you and anyone else with that kinda dough around Port Authority.

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Posted by ViciousCircle 2004-08-03 10:41:04


I can just come tapping the morse code....

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Posted by robbiej 2004-08-03 10:42:37


I CAN DO TERRIFIC FAN KICKS!!!

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Posted by mominator 2004-08-03 10:44:52


Love that quote robbiej

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Posted by ViciousCircle 2004-08-03 10:46:24


Little brat! That’s what my sister was--a little brat! And that’s why I shaved her head; I’m glad I shaved her head!

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Posted by ckeaton 2004-08-03 10:46:50


I twirled a friggin' baton for two hours in the rain. Unfortunately though, she got knocked up over Christmas. Merry Christmas - and never made it back to Radio City.

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Posted by robbiej 2004-08-03 10:49:06


People please!

If we're gonna make musical quotes, let's keep them on topic and make them quotes from famous fat ladies!

DON'T NOBODY BRING ME NO BAD NEWS!

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Posted by ViciousCircle 2004-08-03 10:50:15


Tits! When am I gonna grow tits!?

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Posted by SonofMammaMiaSam 2004-08-03 10:51:56


Room service, I'd like a ham sandwich

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Posted by DareQuilty 2004-08-03 19:10:09


Fat girlz rock.

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Posted by Kelliexo90 2004-08-03 20:02:43


Ahh A Chorus Line. What a lovely cast recording that is...



Hey, Queen Latifah is my fat IDOL... even though I'm not fat, she's still wicked cool.

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Posted by DGrant 2004-08-03 20:04:33


Latifah is a great example of taking charge and getting a healthier existence. No, she didn't go down to size 0 - she got herself healthy for HER - and it shows

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Posted by bythesword84 2004-08-03 20:56:43


You know, I'm all for people being happy with themselves. If you like being overweight/obese/big-boned/whatever you want to call yourself, that's absolutely fine, but it can't possibly be healthy. Do you really want to take the risk of saying "maybe I won't be the person who has health problems as a result of my weight"? I wouldn't want to be that person.

Personally, I fit exactly into that lovely "weight bracket" they have for my age and height, but in my opinion, sure I'm not the thinnest, most toned girl you're going to find. I don't see anything wrong with charging people more because they need to take up two seats. I know that some people can't control their weight but that is a far way from being every overweight person you have out there. I was in Greece recently, and even to some extent when I was in England this happened also, and when you eat out there, you don't get half the crap they give you here. The portions are smaller, but they're enough to be filling. The people there don't seem to be hurting from it. I don't see why obesity shouldn't be considered a national issue.

You're all right, how often do you hear people complain about theater seats? I have an aunt who is very overweight and when myself, and another of my aunts took her to see Urinetown, her first complaint was the seat side to which my other aunt said to her, "It isn't their fault you're fat, these are made for average sized people." (I know that sounds horribly harsh and it was, but thats their relationship)

I see no reason why people who are overweight to the extent where it is proving annoying to the people around them, ie the person next to them at the theater or the plane, shouldn't have to pay a bit extra. Do you know how hard it was to sleep on the plane home from Greece because everytime the heavy woman next to me moved the arm rest moved and hit me? I just can't see how people think that's unfair.

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Posted by DGrant 2004-08-03 21:04:47


I used to run one of the restaurants at the Grand Canyon, which meant we had about 60% international tourist trade - and the biggest complaint, BAR NONE, was the size of the portions we were serving. People were literally embarrassed at not being able to finish everything - which would inevitably lead to a rant about how everywhere they had been in America, they had been served obscene amounts of food. And this wasn't coming from one particular group of tourists, it was coming from everyone around the world. It seems as if Americans aren't satisfied unless they have enough to throw some away - I guess that way they feel like they've been given their money's worth, or something.

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Posted by bythesword84 2004-08-03 21:08:00


You're right DGrant, when my friend came over to visit me from England all she kept saying was how there was so much food given as a portion here.

It's actually, when you think about it, really unnecessary. No one needs that much food.

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Posted by son_of_a_gunn_25 2004-08-03 21:14:14


It's ridiculous the amounts of food we consume when there are so many people in the world and even in our own country starving. I take my leftovers when I eat downtown and give it to a homeless person on the street usually. I hate when they ask for money, but I have no problem giving them food that would get thrown away anyways. (And I can be sure that they are getting food and not spending the money on drugs or alcohol) I also work in food pantries when I can. My church at school supports a church down in Haiti that runs a school for the underpriviledged kids down there. With the resistance and everything taking over the country, the school kids were down to one or two meals a week at school, and for most of those kids that was the only food they were getting.

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Posted by bythesword84 2004-08-03 21:23:41


Well, of course it should be going to the people who need it but even if it isn't, there's no need for people to eat until their clothes don't fit them anymore. You're not going to die if you don't eat every single thing you're given.

I know people got outraged when McDonald's said they were going to make portions smaller, but really, so what? So you don't stuff your face. Who cares?

The world should adopt my diet and they'd be a lot happier. Instead of having meals and snacks, cut the meals and exist solely on snack foods.

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Posted by Plum 2004-08-03 22:12:19


I've been living in this country for 13 years and I still can't finish most restaurant portions. I usually share with my sister or a friend, or take appetizers instead of a main course, depending where I am. It's ridiculous, though. I realize I'm a bit on the small side (I'm 5 3"), but I shouldn't be leaving 1/3 of my food on the plate.

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Posted by bythesword84 2004-08-03 22:30:46


I can honestly say I've never finished a full plate at a restaurant, but I've had people with me who not only finish theirs but have "graciously" offered to finish mine too.

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Posted by jrb_actor 2004-08-03 23:08:52


I agree that portions are way too big here--but I can see how people would get ticked off at McDonalds--you get less food, but pay more.

It also doesn't help that most of us grow up with grown ups harping on us to "finish our plates". And when you grow up poor, you sorta get the notion to eat as much as you can to get that money's worth--especially at a buffet.

But, that's why I avoid buffets and McDonalds.

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Posted by boborunstheshow 2004-08-05 00:38:11


Fat people, what a load of hooey

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Posted by bythesword84 2004-08-05 00:47:18


I love my McDonald's, but whenever I order something from there I can never finish the insane amount of fries I get.
They like to load you up. Most fast food places do.