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Posted by iflitifloat 2004-05-25 19:56:35


What a surprise. Less than 24 hours after George's unimpressive prime time appearance comes a special "breaking news" report warning that Al Qaeda has infiltrated the US and is planning something big for this summer. I'm shocked. Is this even new news?

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Posted by FindingNamo 2004-05-25 20:07:20


Weird. The AP says it's the most disturbing info the government has received since 9-11 but that there are no plans to change the threat level color.

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Posted by Sunfish 2004-05-25 20:12:33


But we told you to be careful so that means we're on the ball! See, see, we're protecting you....well, sort-of...but if anything happens, well, we warned you!!

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Posted by Auggie27 2004-05-25 20:13:38


And our grave-faced arbiter of all things terror-related and the colors that signal its rise ... John Ashcroft ... is on The View tomorrow. Not Wolf Blitzer, not Chris Matthews. The View. Star, Joy, and "Hot Topics."

Remember NETWORK? Stay tuned.

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Posted by iflitifloat 2004-05-25 20:17:33


Where HAS Ashcroft been lately? Have I just not been paying attention or has he be keeping a low profile?

Or maybe my Rumsfeld loathing has overshadowed my hatred of Ashcroft.

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Posted by FindingNamo 2004-05-25 20:23:19


Well, he's been ruminating on the important mission of eradicating pornography from the US and the internet.

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Posted by iflitifloat 2004-05-25 20:30:51


And doing intense research, locked alone in his office?

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Posted by Auggie27 2004-05-25 20:56:58


He was frisking Chalabi. Film at eleven.

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Posted by Mr Roxy 2004-05-25 21:29:37


I am glad everyone can see the humorous side of all of this. Something tells me we will all be falling down dead from laughter if it happens & be saying what crazy scamps those Al Queda guys are. By all means, after it is over, lets have a blue ribbon panel to assess blame. If it happens, hopefully it will be somewhere other than NYC. We already gave at the office.

I think we are in need of a wake up call as we have a tendency to forget at times. This is a tad more important than who wins American Idol

Are we incredibly stupid .

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Posted by iflitifloat 2004-05-25 21:38:29


What would you prefer to do this evening that will somehow keep us safer? If we're in danger of getting nuked off the planet this summer, I'm counting on my sense of humor to keep my anxiety in check. That, and a huge bottle of Xanax .5.

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Posted by FindingNamo 2004-05-25 21:41:31


Frankly, it's obvious Ambrosia is going to win because they practically handed her the crown tonight and the voting had just begun. I mean, how obvious. The poor future Flight Attendant's Supervisor girl doesn't stand a chance.

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Posted by Auggie27 2004-05-25 21:46:33


The "humerous" side we're finding here, if I dare to speak for other posters, is an outraged response, not an outrageous one. It's a pointedly black comedic in style and tone, reacting strongly to the way this administration has hijacked and ultimately exploited the terror threat. Cynicism reigns supreme on the topic of security, and the timing of "alerts" is suspect because we have been patronized and outright lied to by leaders who should be bending over backwards to excute policy with a grave sense of context. Every action has a reaction, and we are now as feared and hated as Al Q, if not more so (see the recent poll of the UK). In Bagdad, a CD of the prison photos is being sold for 50 cents a piece. Over 6000 were sold almonst instantly. (source, CNN) Now, as Carl Bernstein told Wolf tonight: We are living in far more dangerous times than post 9/11, thanks to Bush and company. I don't think anyone in this thread and others thinks American Idol has provided us with easy pop culture blinders, so that we ignore reality; on the contrary, this is a sad and deeply regrettable time, and I, for one, stay informed, because I must, and because I know we are no safer.

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Posted by iflitifloat 2004-05-25 21:52:41


exactly

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Posted by FindingNamo 2004-05-25 22:00:25


Double exactly. And plus, Roxy was all into Idol until somebody he liked got voted off. Idol is just the opiate of the masses.

Now, why oh why does an administration invent a color code, talk about BIG attacks and credible sources and this summer and there's NO change in colors? That's one way people get cynical.

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Posted by Mr Roxy 2004-05-25 22:02:57


Wrong Again Namo

The other have of __ watches it. Me, I could care less . I am not into it at all. It is a rehash of Arthur Godfreys Talent Scouts . Sorry to disappoint.

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Posted by FindingNamo 2004-05-25 22:24:31


I'm not disappointed, just confounded.

I have no idea what "The other have of __ watches it." meams.

I'm pretty sure it's a Color Purple reference, but why, I do not know.

Also, "Me, I could care less .." I think you're meaning you couldn't care less. "I could care less" means you have an emotional investment of some sort.

So glad I could help you try to make some sense.

Ol Namo

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Posted by Mr Roxy 2004-05-25 22:31:52


Quite simple. Stop complicating matters. You think I watch American Idol. I do not. My other half does. I know it pains you for someone to say you , Mr Perfect. is wrong but you are wrong here

Do not worry. It happens to all of us. Nothing to be ashamed of

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Posted by newyorkuniq 2004-05-25 23:02:34


I turned on the news a few minutes a go to " Terrorists are in the US and are in the works of an attack set for this summer". If we know that much information how come we can't get it before it happens??!! We already know they hate us so what are they trying to prove and why did they wait untill 2002 to start attacking? oyyy

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Posted by FindingNamo 2004-05-25 23:14:41


Well, people from other cultures are much more patient than we are. Terrorists included.

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Posted by iflitifloat 2004-05-25 23:21:23


Fox 5 News at Ten came on and being too lazy to get up and change the channel, I watched it. Cut to a close-up of the woman-on-the-street announcer, who says....with a straight face...."Fox 5 has obtained EXCLUSIVE information about.." and then she proceeded to tell the very same "al Qaeda is among us and planning a summer attack" story. Exclusive???

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Posted by Jon 2004-05-25 23:21:47


I remember during the Iowa caucuses, CNN was intereviewing farmers, who all said they were going to vote Democrat, because the economy was their man concern. The reporter asked if they were concerned about terrorism, and they all sia no, they were out in the middle of nowhere, and didn't think terrorists would be interested in crashing planes into their grain silos or anything.

The next day, Tom Ridge put out a notice saying they had reason to beleive terrorists might try to sabotage America's farms and poison the grain.

What convenient timing!

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Posted by iflitifloat 2004-05-25 23:24:47


Fear is their big weapon. And I'm talking about both the terrorists and the Bush administration.

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Posted by newyorkuniq 2004-05-25 23:38:16


It's weird that i've never thought to discuss this before but today I got thinking "what are they trying to prove?" that they can kill us? ok we get that much. And are they just gonna keep doing it forever? There is no real solution since they don't want anything specific.

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Posted by Broadwaylilhead 2004-05-25 23:43:05


I'm telling ya I wouldn't be shocked if we have captured Osama and will the bastard out the week of the election.

I'm so sick of Bush's "Trust me, I will protect you" big brother mentality...

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Posted by iflitifloat 2004-05-26 06:41:55


Capturing Osama's not going to do it. Well, it might give Bush's ratings a boost, but it's not going to solve the problem. A younger generation is taking over (think Abu Murab a Zarqawi, who made the beheading video, in part, as a power play) ... and a lot of the shots are being called by people whose names we don't even know and who don't answer to al-Qaeda. Osama is a name and a face put to something much larger and unidentifiable.

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Posted by Auggie27 2004-05-26 08:02:13


Yes. If he is found, and "dealt with," he will then live in infamy. His capture or death will make him the ultimate martyr, and thus the ultimate recruitment poster.

I just saw today's spin, how the threat level won't be raised. Huh? If they know a "major attack" is being planned, "sometime this summer..." and there is no need to jack up the threat, then what the hell is a GOOD reason to raise the threat level? To Go Orange will cost cities a lot of money, and duh, maybe votes, so no, they wouldn't wanna do that, no.

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Posted by orion59 2004-05-26 08:48:44


How can one not find some little bit of humor in the whole thing? Certainly the idea of innocent people being murdered by terrorists has no humor in it at all but, the way in which our government reports information and tries toemploy scare tactics and build a sense of "we are keeping you safe" does have some humor in it.

I turned on the news this morning as I was getting ready for work. The big story (after the church closings in the Boston area) was the discovery of there being "A very high potential for a terrorist threat on the US sometime this summer." Yet the color code, which of course we all understand and are grateful for because it gives us a sense of security, remains yellow as it has been since January. We know that there is a threat, we somehow learned this through some reliable source yet we have no more specific information. So, we broadcast this warning and have our vigilant citizens (mostly paranoids and old ladies) keep a watchful eye on anyone who gets onto a train or bus carrying a backpack or approaches a public building with a large package. After a while it starts to sound like a Tom Clancy novel.

I'm not saying American's should take the threat of terrorism lightly. We've seen what they are capable of. I'm not saying, either, that we shouldn't be aware of suspicious activity but, there is a certain amount of humor in the way our government is reporting these threats to build a sense of patriotism and a feeling of well being because our government has our backs. I tend to belive that if there were any real danger, any specific threat or knowledge of a terroist plan, we wouldn't be heraing about it on the morning news squeezed between the local items about churches and the traffic report.



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Posted by papalovesmambo 2004-05-26 10:04:20


well, i certainly understand the cynics here who feel that this is just more nonsense from the rove camp to sway eyes away from polls and such. however the very fact that it's fleet week here in nyc and i'm just a few blocks from the hudson where they're about to park several warships gives me pause. in advance of the johnny and tommy show this afternoon, i thought i'd take a moment to jot down my feelings on alerts and threats and the possibility of vaporization.

from everything i've heard so far, there is an marked increase in "chatter" comparable to that which was heard in the summer of 2001. there is no specific threat, no specific time, no specific venue, no specific method, just the shared notion that something spectacular is in the works. now it was not so long ago that the terrorists in spain mentioned in their missive that operation "black winds" was almost ready, whatever that meant. being that i'm sitting in one of the favored target areas, i'd rather know that there's something in the works. not that it'll do me any good, in the end should they pull off a massive attack that wipes out the west side, but it does afford me the opportunity to look my summer plans and perhaps adjust them accordingly. is that letting the terrorist win? i don't give a flying fig if doing so means that mrs. mambo and i live to have little mambos.

with regard to the threat level, without specific information, is it possible that they learned their lesson from the last few times? is there a chance that they realize that this time something's different and that they should hold off raising the threat level until doing so might actually do something other than make people yawn? and is it possible that we are displacing blame for the hysteria with which this story is being reported on the white house? last time i checked, the white house press releases were rather bland on this subject and the hysteria came from the media and their anonymous sources. anonymous sources, funny enough, like those that the ny times today blames for it's misleading (some might even say untruthful) coverage of the wmds in iraq.

so, be cynical by all means. dark humor in the face of an amorphous threat that may or may not present itself in catastrophic fury is healthy. but let's be a little bit more liberal in our blame for any hysterics. if anyone needs me, i'll be in my fallout shelter hoarding duct tape.

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Posted by iflitifloat 2004-05-26 10:18:23


I have no doubt that the information is true. Has anyone NOT thought "they" were already in the US. Does anyone thought for a second that we're going to make it through the elections with nothing happening? But, I've gotta tell you, I'm feeling extremely manipulated by the timing of its release. I even commented during Bush's lackluster speech the other night that "oops...gonna have to raise the terror alert to deflect criticism from this one...".

Information that is not new, that is not specific, and hasn't even been shared with high ranking officials in LA or NYC...well, just ask yourself why it had to be released as a special news report on the day after Bush appeared on primetime. It's become so predictable that it would be laughable if this were at all funny.

I detest this administration. I don't like 'em, don't respect 'em, and don't trust 'em. It a sad state of affairs.

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Posted by papalovesmambo 2004-05-26 10:20:15


it's the day after the day after, iflit, and you don't think that your admitted detestation of the administration at all colors your assessment does it?

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Posted by iflitifloat 2004-05-26 10:30:15


Of course it shades it...never said it didn't. But the fact remains that the timing of information that is handed out to us looks suspiciously like it is politically timed. And call me crazy, but it also seems like it was released during primetime for maximum effect.

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Posted by papalovesmambo 2004-05-26 10:34:25


ahh, but who does that profit? could it be the news organizations who scream scoop and exclusive and use threat in 75 point fonts? damn, it's more of that conservative media bias!

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Posted by iflitifloat 2004-05-26 11:08:08


Ah, yes, but the information given to the press was released by a "government official".

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Posted by ckeaton 2004-05-26 12:46:15


The people who complain about the "alert system" being a joke are the same people that will complain when something happens, and they feel that they weren't adequately warned.

Suspend reality for a moment:
You are sitting at your big oak desk, and a memo shows up saying that emails have been intercepted which reference preperations for a major string of suicide bombings... Do you push the alert, do you notify the media? Or do you file the memo away and pray to God that nothing happens, because you know that the memo in your hand will be your obituary if it does.

If I were at the oak desk, I would be open an honest...within reason. If I see a credible threat, damn it I'm going to tell everyone who will listen, because it's the only fair thing to do.

Maybe there are some acrobatics about the timing, but I don't doubt the information.

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Posted by papalovesmambo 2004-05-26 13:27:19


ck, you have to understand that this is a perfect scenario.

if the government does nothing and there's a terrorist strike, they did nothing to warn us.

if there are warnings, they are merely more exagerrations by an untrustworthy administration meant to inflame an already terrified population and distract from the myriad of scandals and failures plaguing it.

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Posted by iflitifloat 2004-05-26 13:30:06


It's not the infomation I'm questioning. It's the timing of the delivery.

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Posted by papalovesmambo 2004-05-26 13:37:43


couldn't it have been timed to coincide with the beginning of fleet week today in one of the highest value target areas? i mean it makes sense to me to have a call for awareness and heightened sense of security when you're bringing warships (which they have already attacked, uss cole) into a city (new york, which they have already attacked twice) when there has been an increased amount of chatter. but, that's just me.

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Posted by ckeaton 2004-05-26 14:37:22


It's an eerie thought.

I remember several years ago when I was studying the Cuban Missle Crisis, I couldn't comprehend what it was like to live underneath a constant and building threat. The thought that a person could be immolated at their own dinner table was enough to make me want to buy a home in rural Montana.

And yet today, I'm shopping for land. (metaphorically speaking)

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Posted by orion59 2004-05-26 15:21:21


My problem with this situation is not a mistrust of the information or even it's timing so much as it the fear factor placed on the reports. That may be the sole fault of the media as Papa said. I figure by now we all know that some major event like Fleet Week or the upcoming Democratic and Republican Conventions can possibly be a target of terrorism. A gentle reminder of this should be sufficient enough after the events of 911 to make people more aware of suspicious activity. Seeing a flashing "TERROR ALERT" message blazing on the tv screen then hearing "talk of possible threat.....nothing specific" serves nobody. It only creates fear for thos ethat lean in that direction already. If tehre were something very specific, I would expect to hear very little of it on teh news because our government would be, hoepfully, responding to it without wanting to panic the nation or give any information to the suspected terrorists.

I'm sorry but,old Mrs Callahan down the street who sits on her porch with her cats eyeing every stranger is not the best line of defense for our country. I think the government knows this and, in the event of a real, plausible threat, would handle it differently. That'swhy i find it hard to get too worked up over teh warnings. I know it can happen any time anywhere and that we all need to be aware but the over done reports on the news, the bold headlines that hint at an important story within the pages of the paper and the grave looks on the faces of the news anchors just doesn't work for me.

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Posted by papalovesmambo 2004-05-26 16:00:38


the fact that 7 specific names and faces were put out there suggests to me that this is an exercise which has less to do with the american people than it does with an attempt to send a message to al qaeda. probably it's an attempt to make them move or spook them into revealing themselves or some point of their plan. if publicizing these faces, leads to information about their whereabouts and possible capture (a la america's most wanted), so much the better.

who knows. this might be the administration's way of sending a message saying that these 7 have already been either apprehended or killed. a cowboy greeting of, "yeah we got your boys and the little girl too." doubtful, but possible.

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Posted by papalovesmambo 2011-09-09 08:43:02


ah, how times have changed, huh?

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Posted by Q 2011-09-09 09:33:57


The more things change . . .

Quite a trip down memory lane here, huh?

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Posted by uncageg 2011-09-09 10:10:36


Did the announcement happen in the middle of the President's speech last night? I was at work. Taped the speech but have yet to watch it.

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Posted by YouWantitWhen???? 2011-09-09 10:22:34


Well except this alert actually steps on the messaging the White House is putting out on jobs and the economy after a well-received speech.

So, at least one thing was not like the other.



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Posted by madbrian 2011-09-09 10:41:49


I found the GOP reaction to the speech rather interesting. Admittedly, I was only able to watch snippets during timeouts during the Packers/Saints game, but I was rather surprised by the cautious optimism expressed by some of the GOP leadership. It was an interesting contrast to see Boehner, Cantor and GOP comittee chairs reacting fairly positively while the 2012 presidential candidates were going out of their way to bash a speech that was almost universally acknowledged as bipartisan.

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Posted by romantico 2011-09-09 11:32:32


AT least this President Doesn't use the high security alert EVERY OTHER DAY like Shrub did.

Times have changed. We have a President who can talk in complete sentences who is not a war criminal or lied us into war.

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Posted by Mister Matt 2011-09-09 11:36:24


O'Hare airport has been playing the exact same security announcement stating that the threat level is "orange" for the last ten years. It's sort of hard to take it seriously when they're really just being lazy about it.

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Posted by iflitifloat 2011-09-10 06:55:44


Wait. Did I miss something? There's a 9-11 security alert?

I don't even pay attention anymore.