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Posted by BHALEX 2018-04-23 14:25:31


Has anyone heard if The Inheritance (Matthew Lopez's new two part play showing at the Young Vic in London) will transfer to New York?

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Posted by DramaTeach 2018-04-23 15:34:54


There are talks, but nothing definitive at the moment since the current landscape has a few shows that would be competing for the same audience.

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Posted by JVJ93 2018-04-23 15:38:06


I have heard nothing but absolute raves about this. Once again jealous that I don’t live in London for all the amazing theatre they create. Hoping this comes over!

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Posted by imeldasturn 2018-04-23 18:43:45


It's clearly written with a New York audience in mind, I'm sure a transfer has always been the goal. Hopefully they will fix the second part, which at times feels a bit of a let down after the excellent first one.

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Posted by Mark_E 2018-04-24 04:44:07


It is rumoured to be transferring into the West End this September after the run at the Young Vic (Noel Coward Theatre). Word of mouth has been very positive.

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Posted by gschuber 2018-04-24 06:22:15


I saw part one last night. Seeing part two tonight. I found it riveting. Minimal set, great actors. Andrew Burnap is terrific in the lead. They are transferring to the Noel Coward theater in the West End in the fall.

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Posted by qolbinau 2018-04-24 06:31:12


It’s a 7 hour trashy soap with some moving moments. It should run off-Broadway but I don’t personally think it deserves a commercial Broadway run either for commercial or artistic reasons.

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Posted by Relevance81491 2018-05-31 18:27:21


just had to special order my copy of the script because no one seems to be able to keep it in stock.  Excited to read what all the fuss is about

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Posted by Wick3 2018-07-31 22:21:13


Relevance81491 said: "just had to special order my copy of the script because no one seems to be able to keep it in stock. Excited to read what all the fuss is about"

How do you make a special order? I've been checking Amazon and B&N and it's always unavailable. Is the only place where they sell a copy of play script at the theater in West End London? I'm thinking of going to London in the fall and would like to see this play.

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Posted by LightsOut90 2018-08-01 02:26:09


this is definately coming to Broadway, its just a question of if it will be in the spring of 2019 or fall of 2019

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Posted by Kad 2018-08-01 09:55:23


The Drama Book Shop in NYC has it.

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Posted by Wick3 2018-08-01 10:04:49


Thank you! Will check that place out. Also, I read someplace that the play was inspired by EM Forster's Howards End. For those who have read or seen the play, would you recommend reading Howards End first?

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Posted by TotallyEffed 2018-08-01 16:18:02


Really hoping this transfers.

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Posted by ajh 2018-08-01 19:10:18


This has to  be on the cards. The London producer is Sonia Friedman (Mormon, Potter, Mean Gilrs) and the whole thing is set in New York. And it is a smash in London, the talk of the town. 

I LOVED it. Saw it all in one day and when it got to the end of the first play was livid that I had to wait a full 2 hours for the second one. Deeply moving. This is stunning theatre.

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Posted by Jordan Catalano 2018-08-01 19:46:09


Each part is over four hours long, right? It’s in my list of things to see in London this Fall but damn, that’s LONG.

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Posted by TotallyEffed 2018-08-01 19:51:28


Jordan Catalano said: "Each part is over four hours long, right? It’s in my list of things to see in London this Fall but damn, that’s LONG. "

It’s on my list too but I don’t have enough room to fit it in now! I guess I’ll have to wait patiently for it to get here.

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Posted by TotallyEffed 2018-08-01 19:51:31


Jordan Catalano said: "Each part is over four hours long, right? It’s in my list of things to see in London this Fall but damn, that’s LONG. "

It’s on my list too but I don’t have enough room to fit it in now! I guess I’ll have to wait patiently for it to get here.

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Posted by A.Douglas 2018-08-01 20:23:50


I saw Part One at the Young Vic, back in March, and it is a transcendent, life-altering piece of Theatre. I could've have seen Part Two the following night, but had tickets to Hamilton. It might've been because it was my third time seeing Hamilton, but I DEEPLY regret not seeing Part Two instead. And to quote BB from his Hamilton review, "Yes, it really is that good." Especially to have seen the luminous Vanessa Redgrave make an, albeit brief, appearance towards the end of Part Two, as a bereaved mother of a victim of The Plague. (Read the script, her monologue is heart-wrenching. Good bless Matthew Lopez!???)

I could go on for days about it, but all I will say is this: It deserves the f**king Pulitzer, and, do whatever you can to see it, either in London or in NYC. You will NOT regret it.???

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Posted by Jordan Catalano 2018-08-01 20:27:59


Oh wow. Well, damn.
And Redgrave is only in it for a few minutes at the end of part 2??

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Posted by A.Douglas 2018-08-01 20:34:35


Jordan Catalano said: "Oh wow. Well, damn.
And Redgrave is only in it for a few minutes at the end of part 2??
"

Yup, for the last 15-20 min. approx, based on her character's dialogue in the script. But it's apparently one of her finest moments on the stage.

 

This is a very important work for not only the Theatre, but for the community. It's everything that I've been thinking about in regards to us as a community, ever since I got to college (I'm 22). How can we move forward without knowing, appreciating, or recognizing how we got here. It is being hailed by The Telegraph in London as "the greatest American play of the century, so far." It's gonna be big.

*gets off soapbox* ??

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Posted by Wick3 2018-08-07 09:19:25


Kad said: "The Drama Book Shop in NYC has it."

Thanks! I bought a copy yesterday! Looking forward to reading it. If there's anyone in NYC who has read the play and want to discuss it over coffee or a drink after I finish reading it, feel free to PM me.

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Posted by Owen22 2018-08-07 21:42:23


Saw both parts at the Young Vic last spring. It's wonderfully audacious and at times enjoyable and good, at times a mess.  And at times down right bad.

It's a modern retelling of "Howards End" with E.M. Foster as a character. Sort of.   The set up is Foster is giving a writer's master class to a group of modern 2018 gay men (because theatre). The story evolves from one of the young writing student's imagination.

It's either derivative or a tribute to gay plays of the past (the ending denouement is right out of "Love, Valour Compassion"the obvious one is "Angels" in it's length and subject matter (not only is the inheritance of the title a Howard's End type country home in upstate New York, it's also the legacy of AIDS.)  I had really liked the first part until Lopez felt he had to match Angel's stunning First Part closing event.  I rolled my eyes at it, but people around me were sobbing.

The Second Part I didn't enjoy anywhere near as much, as a matter of fact a lot of it just made me mad. Trying to combine a couple characters from Howard's End, he dispatches my favorite character with cliches and indifference. Lopez seemed to be much more in love with the Emma Thompason based character, who is a bit of a saintly simp and a bore. And when the film Howard's End's Vanessa Redgrave shows up at the end of the play, in a role she is far too old for, I again had to roll my eyes (it's another reach for Lopez to match a Kushner nadir in Part Two of "Angels"...and he fails).

Beautifully and simply directed by Stephen Daltry on a mostly bare stage, I'm hoping that it's eventual landing in New York will be extensively rewritten.

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Posted by TotallyEffed 2018-10-05 18:38:57


Owen, absolutely agree with everything you said.

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Posted by qolbinau 2018-10-06 03:34:28


Also agree. I’m surprised anyone would describe this as one of Redgrave’s finest moments on stage. Maybe I saw her on an off night but she seems far too old, tentative in the role, lines, accent and movement.

I am so glad I saw this and did enjoy myself, but if you are expecting this to be a life changing experience and the best theatre you’ve ever seen in your life I can’t help but predict many will be disappointed. It’s so not as important as the creative team and cast think it is. It might have been if we didn’t already have such high quality gay HIV-themed plays in the past.

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Posted by ajh 2018-10-06 03:40:09


Am not seeing it again until next week but I have heard that the second part has been extensively rewritten for the West End transfer. Still think this is the best thing I’ve seen this year.

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Posted by imeldasturn 2018-10-06 04:40:18


No it's not extensively rewritten, they added a few lines, cut maybe a couple and *I think* changed the position of the second interval. All its problems are still there.

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Posted by brian1973 2018-10-06 05:12:55


imeldasturn said: "No it's not extensively rewritten, they added a few lines, cut maybe a couple and *I think* changed the position of the second interval. All its problems are still there."

 

Problems? WTF? It’s the most perfect piece of theatre you could ever hope to see. 

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Posted by qolbinau 2018-10-06 05:32:22


With the melodrama and annoying characters you just have to spend a few nights going out with a couple of gay groups in the scene and you’ve seen it all before. Queer as Folk and Looking mashed with The Normal Heart and Angels in America - voila you’ve got The Inheritance.

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Posted by Jordan Catalano 2018-10-06 09:07:50


I’m seeing it in 5 weeks and I’m so excited!

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Posted by ajh 2018-10-06 09:43:10


qolbinau said: "With the melodrama and annoying characters you just have to spend a few nights going out with a couple of gay groups in the scene and you’ve seen it all before. Queer as Folk and Looking mashed with The Normal Heart and Angels in America - voila you’ve got The Inheritance."

 

respectfully disagree, I thought it was terrific. Full of heart, humanity and thrilling storytelling. An authentic theatrical knockout. 

 

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Posted by Wick3 2018-10-06 21:01:57


I read the play before watching part 1 and I thought it was well done though the minimal set surprised me. I've heard the set was minimal at the Young Vic but it seemed like they didnt' make any changes for the West End transfer. It reminded me of the set of Sunday in the Park with George (with Jake Gyllenhaal and Annaleigh Ashford).

One thing I think it can improve on is the background sound/music especially during some of the moving/emotional scenes (i.e. like in Angels in America or Harry Potter). There was one scene in part 1 with a long speech from Walter that I felt some background music may have made it more effective. I hope it transfers to Bway.

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Posted by GiantsInTheSky2 2018-10-07 16:18:31


I don’t agree with those saying that this is just a rehash of what is already out there - sure, many topics are shared between Inheritance and other Gay shows/stories, but the dynamics and overall story are different.

I could be biased. It stood out to me at the Drama Book Shop, I made an impulse purchase without even peaking inside, and couldn’t put it down.

I really hope this transfers to Broadway. I had to cancel my trip to London last month due to a family emergency and I am so eager to experience this on stage.

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Posted by Wick3 2018-10-07 23:15:10


I had a similar experience as you Giantsinthesky. I was looking for a copy in the USA and the only store in NYC that sold it was drama bookshop. After getting my copy, I couldn't stop reading it. Sure, there are moments that I thought were a bit unrealistic (I've been a New Yorker for over 10 years and I'm the same age as Eric Glass) but overall I connected with it. 

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Posted by TotallyEffed 2018-10-07 23:21:22


It reminded me a bit of Sex and the City with the way characters always had fabulous apartments falling into their laps and a seemingly disposable income. It makes it quite hard to relate to.

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Posted by RippedMan 2018-10-08 01:57:24


To me the fact that his name is Eric Glass is a bit....eh? 

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Posted by Wick3 2018-10-08 09:54:15


Yeah I didn't understand where the name Eric Glass came from either. It seems that Matthew Lopez (the playwright) chose to keep Henry Wilcox and Leo's names the same as their counterparts in Forster's Howards End. 

Not all the characters in the play had disposable incomes and as a New Yorker for over 10 years now, I've friends who always seem to be broke and also have friends who always have an endless amount of $$$ in their bank account. Regardless of one's socioeconomic status, we as humans beings have a need to connect with one another. I think people can relate to the overall message of this play and the multiple meanings of an inheritance. When I saw the part 1 two weeks ago, the play reminded me tidbits of Howards End (obviously), Angels in America, Torch Song Trilogy, and even Hamilton.  

In today's day and age, I did wish that Matthew Lopez made at least one of the main characters (Eric, Toby, Henry, Walter, Adam, or Leo)  a person of color. I'm not sure if Lopez is Latino or Hispanic but it would have been cool to see a gay man of latino/hispanic descent as a main character.

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Posted by TotallyEffed 2018-10-08 10:14:09


Besides Leo (who is “inspired” by a poor character from Howards End) the main characters are either EXTREMELY wealthy or conveniently fall into money or luxury apartments whenever they need them.

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Posted by MrsSallyAdams 2018-10-15 12:30:17


Reviews for the West End transfer are mostly positive. On the plus side critics praise the ambition, themes and cast. Andrew Burnap gets cited many times.

On the minus side the Howard's End framing means that the focus is on white, affluent men. Some critics point out this makes the play less diverse or universal than the other plays it's paying homage to. Several feel the second half is still weaker than the first and that Vanessa Redgrave's cameo is "distracting" and "unnecessary."

http://www.playbill.com/article/read-the-reviews-for-west-end-bow-of-the-inheritance

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Posted by SonofRobbieJ 2018-10-15 14:52:12


I find it a little odd criticizing the play about exploring the world of white, gay affluence when it's being seen through the prism of a queer playwright of color.  As if representation only happens on stage rather than behind the scenes.  We've seen that conversation happen here about how 'representation' means the actors on stage and the not the voices of the playwright, directors or the producers moving projects forward.  I find that a little tough to swallow.

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Posted by standingovation79 2018-10-15 19:56:06


This will definitely come to nyc. These days lots of risky plays go to London first A) because its cheaper and B) because its subsidized over there.  Things like Wolf Hall could never come here without that. It's smart that they are starting it there to get that funding and the buzz will help it here.

 

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Posted by Wick3 2018-10-15 23:22:40


SonofRobbieJ said: "I find it a little odd criticizing the play about exploring the world of white, gay affluence when it's being seen through the prism of a queer playwright of color."

I felt Lopez borrowed a lot of ideas/themes/plot of this play from EM Forster, who was a closeted white queer author. 

As for a NYC transfer, I'm more curious whether they'll transfer the same cast or if they'll change it up a bit.

 

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Posted by Kad 2018-10-16 11:50:52


I think it's ridiculous for an ambitious new American play by an American playwright to debut in America with a mostly-British cast in a British premiere production , but I wouldn't be shocked if that was the case.

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Posted by standingovation79 2018-10-16 11:55:28


Yes, it is a bit ridiculous, but the expense makes it impossible to do shows like this and very hard to take chances at all. I believe art should be subsidized in this country like it is in London. That is the only way we get things like The Ferryman that has 21 cast members. Or this six hour American Play. 

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Posted by cliffordbradshaw2 2018-10-16 13:24:59


Expect Brantley to review "The Inheritance" and the new West End "Company" in the New York Times very soon.  That could affect the NY future of both productions.

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Posted by billyelliotfan123 2018-11-06 14:41:56


I recently bought a copy of this play at the drama book shop. (DBS is one of the only places in the country that sells the okay as it’s not published here yet. More reason to support the DBS!!!)
I couldn’t put it down. It’s well worth the read. I really hope this one transfers. Has anyone heard and recent rumblings?

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Posted by MadonnaMusical 2018-11-06 17:54:08


Jordan Catalano said: "Each part is over four hours long, right? It’s in my list of things to see in London this Fall but damn, that’s LONG."

No, it has been cut down. 

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Posted by MadonnaMusical 2018-11-06 17:56:19


brian1973 said: "imeldasturn said: "No it's not extensively rewritten, they added a few lines, cut maybe a couple and *I think* changed the position of the second interval. All its problems are still there."



Problems? WTF? It’s the most perfect piece of theatre you could ever hope to see.
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agree.

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Posted by MadonnaMusical 2018-11-06 18:03:27


Saw this last week in London and it was remarkable. Everyone will want to compare it directly to Angels in America because it is indeed a gay fantasia but I think it stands on its own. This attempts to answer the question of what it means to be gay in the prep era. We have our rights now, we're out of the closet, and w have a prevention for AIDS so now what? In my late thirties I have been asking all the questions and going through all the same trials as the characters in this play and it spoke to me directly. I have a feeling that the generation who identified so closely to Angels in America may not identify with this play as deeply and will therefore say it is "second rate" but ignore them. This play is written from the perspective of those who were young when AIDS was at its worst. What do we pass down from generation to generation as gay men if our inheritance doesn't come from our straight parents? What besides the virus?

This is the greatest and most important play I have seen since RUINED. I will be surprised if it doesn't win the pulitzer and best play (when it transfers.) Run to see it - and try not to compare its parents - it's its own thing.

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Posted by MadonnaMusical 2018-11-06 18:08:43


TotallyEffed said: "It reminded me a bit of Sex and the City with the way characters always had fabulous apartments falling into their laps and a seemingly disposable income. It makes it quite hard to relate to."

I felt like this was directly explained in the script. It's actually the main focus of the plot... who has money and who doesn't and where it comes from... and what you do to get it... and what you do when you have it... the play is called "inheritance." Maybe that's hard to relate to, but it's definitely explained. Though to think of it it's explained thoroughly on Sex and the City too - they were VERY successful women (lawyer, PR, socialite, writer for NY times and vogue... ok technically it was the New York Star but everyone knew what they meant.)

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Posted by Jordan Catalano 2018-11-26 19:32:15


I saw Part One tonight. After I stopped sobbing, I dragged myself out of the theatre and back here to the hotel. I can’t even form cohesive thoughts yet on just how remarkable I found this play to be.

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Posted by JBC3 2018-11-26 19:39:20


I see both parts Wednesday. Very excited.

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Posted by Wick3 2018-12-10 10:31:39


I just saw Part 2 this past weekend (saw Part 1 back in September) and boy Part 2 was even more emotional for me! Part 2 was roughly 3.5 hours (including intermission and a brief pause) so it's quite long.

If it does come to NYC, I wonder if Matthew Lopez will make any changes in the script. 

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Posted by Jordan Catalano 2018-12-10 10:48:11


Interesting. I found part one to be substantialy more emotional than part two.

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Posted by Scotarts 2018-12-17 14:06:24


 I find that Lopez is a plagiarist. Why? This was the most over-hyped gay theatre production of FRIENDS to date, with no due attribution or knods for all the work that came before, and told a better story.

Shall we even begin? Rips off Angels in America, Stoppard's invention of love (the big Forster speeches, culminating in the play title) and tries to legitimise itself by repeating "NEw York City' a billion times. The work also takes some major themes from other new playwrights not as lucky as Lopez to benefit from the hype PR machines.

Gay writer turns sex & drug addict: = 'Leave the Lights On'

Dead people come back and state their names: = 'Longtime Companion'

Same kills himself outside of NYC in a car crash = Jackson Pollock story 

Writing teacher with young horny boys around tables being excited? 'Dead Poets Society' and not to mention 'The History Boys'

"Forster" has posthumous conversation culminating the the play title = 'The Invention of Love' (scene when Wilde takes the stage and has the EXACT argument with AE Housmann)- Stoppard's masterpiece.

Everyone gathers for a party and argues: Boys in the band.

Lines about "illusions in forms of truth" or whatever it was? TENNESSEE WILLIAMS Glass Menagerie... (I wish he'd come back from the dead and throw one at you). 

And then where to begin again with all the Kushner/Angels ripoffs? How abotu just one: Lopez even has aped the infamous twilight with the black man scene from Angels in there...same tone, same lament... Please. Sampling 101. At least in the music industry you have to pay tribute and royalties.

This is not "important theatre" - this is an appropriation of important theatre. 

 And the fatal blow to this nonexistent plot: Forster did not want to suffer the same fate as Oscar Wilde. His 'moral shortcomings' assertions were BS.

 There is not ONE memorable line in the six hours I sat watching this nonsense, and my backside turning to stone. Derivative nonsense for an ignorant audience - ironically that bangs on about 'knowing your history' and present little in the way of fact - unless stolen from a real playwright. 

 Funny how this 'Me, Too' (not to be confused with the legitimate women's issue) crowd shouts endlessly about Trump and his right wing of history-revision, and this play relies and feeds upon just that. The formula: sell it quick to a bunch of unsuspecting twenty-somethings who think all things gay began with Rupaul's Drag Race.

How dare a now-40 year old who could never have experienced half what he claims authority over a knowledge he could never have witnessed? How dare this come-lately take the histories of a dead generation and sell it back to us.!? 

 The ONLY THING that kept me and to return after the first "half" was Samuel Levine's fine work - which carried this limping ignorant crowd-panderer through SIX loathsome hours. Even IF there weren't the plagiarism and cultural theft - is no one awake in the critic arena to call out this priveleged whiteboy showboat for the badly constructed charade it is? 

(Oh, people coming to a house to die?? Really? How ON GOLDEN EFFING POND CAN YOU GET!?!). And then there's Redgrave's unintelligible, seemingly drunken, line-skipping "performance" - again, what an absolute MESS.

Kushner write a time-tested requiem. Lopez copied down a sitcom-melodrama. Made for TV.

How this mess got past thinking producers is beyond me (unless you consider the quota system now firmly in place: gay play = check!). Save your money and rent Longtime Companion and a box set of Sex and The City. That's all there is here, if that much. The Young Vic should be ashamed, if not unfunded for producing an un-verified farce.

The only review in London that gets close to objective, and not bowing to the gay-guilt PR noise and brouhaha is Time Out London - which does venture into questioning some of this, (but because someone buys ads from them, still gave it 4 stars.)

Also the Financial TImes. Quotes Heaney "crate full of air" then states "impressive, but almost compeltely empty".

To quote an online comment "If this is the future of theatre, we're all in trouble, chaps."  Indeed. We are, and we know it.

I implore people to please wake up to this and other travesties and stop jumping on every bandwagon to rush by - just because it's fashionable. Life is truly a banquet, to paraphrase Auntie Mame, and most new great artists are starving to death. (WHile this nonsense gets produced.)

 PLEASE take this rubbish to New York City so it will die the deserved death it has coming, and Mr Michael Riedel can officiate the funeral. 

I challenge anyone with a modicum of experience with the gay theatre to get the script, read it, and prove me wrong. 

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Posted by A.Douglas 2018-12-17 15:06:58


I vehemently disagree with the above review of the piece.

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Posted by nasty_khakis 2018-12-17 15:17:59


A.Douglas said: "I vehemently disagree with the above review of the piece."

Agreed. One of the major themes/throughlines of the piece is using older stories to tell your own and retelling Howards End through a modern gay male perspective. Just like this generation of gay men owe a debt to and stand on the shoulders of the generation of gay men before us, this play stands on the shoulders and pays respect to the plays that came before it.

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Posted by Scotarts 2018-12-17 16:59:33


A.Douglas said: "I vehemently disagree with the above review of the piece."

Prove it wrong then. It's a RIPOFF.

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Posted by Scotarts 2018-12-17 17:01:34


nasty_khakis said: "A.Douglas said: "I vehemently disagree with the above review of the piece."

Agreed. One of the major themes/throughlines of the piece is using older stories to tell your own and retelling Howards End through a modern gay male perspective. Just like this generation of gay men owe a debt to and stand on the shoulders of the generation of gay men before us, this play stands on the shoulders and pays respect to the plays that came before it.
"

That's all fine well and good except: it's not a nod, or a attribute. Go ahead, let the keyboard war ensue - post and post , while credible work such as ANGELS closes in NYC after a short run and so does Torch Song - which I venture few of this McAudience has seen.. 

I maintain: every single inch of the thing was derivative and lifted. It does not stand on shoulders, it stomps dead bodies in the mud. 

Don't like it? Stop posting opinions and hollow defenses and prove it wasn't a lift, and the direct parallels noted to what , SEVEN different works are incorrect. Go on...do the work.

 

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Posted by nasty_khakis 2018-12-17 17:06:12


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Posted by JSquared2 2018-12-17 17:08:23


Scotarts said: "Prove it wrong then. It's a RIPOFF."

 

Everything you wrote in your childish temper tantrum is ridiculous and (hilariously) mean spirited.  There, I "proved you wrong."

P.S.  Switch to decaf.

 

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Posted by Scotarts 2018-12-17 17:08:41


A RuPaul meme. I rest my case.

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Posted by nasty_khakis 2018-12-17 17:11:24


Scotarts said: "A RuPaul meme. I rest my case."

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Posted by Scotarts 2018-12-17 17:13:42


nasty_khakis said: "Scotarts said: "A RuPaul meme. I rest my case."

Well played :)

 

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Posted by Sauja 2018-12-17 17:19:16


Scotarts, having seen the recent Angels in America production and the recent Torch Song AND having seen The Inheritance...your arguments are absurd. Are you claiming this work is plagiarizing NINE different works AND a person's entire life? By your logic, Angels in America was a rip-off. People died of AIDS in And the Band Played On. Both of Kushner's Angels plays stole their three act structure from Torch Song. There were angels in the BIBLE... And that's barely scratching the surface!

 

Merely having elements that are the same as those in other shows does not make something plagiarism. You can find it derivative. But you seem to misunderstand the difference between derivative and plagiarized. You also seem personally offended by the existence of a play you didn't like, which...CALM DOWN.

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Posted by SonofRobbieJ 2018-12-17 17:22:52


Scotarts said: "How dare a now-40 year old who could never have experienced half what he claims authority over a knowledge he could never have witnessed? How dare this come-lately take the histories of a dead generation and sell it back to us.!?

I haven't seen or even read the play.  But the part of your screed I've just quoted is all I need to discredit your argument.  I am of Lopez's generation.  It is our job...our inheritance, if you will...to tell the stories of those who cannot speak for themselves.  We were the generation of gay men that came of age with absolutely no one to guide us.  The generation above us were all dead, dying or grieving.  We saw all of that from a very young age.  It formed us.  And it created this duty to honor that generation.  To claim that a playwright must have lived through something to be able to write about it is so wildly off-base, so counter to everything that is the process of creating theater, so incredibly antithetical to what theater is and should be that rest of your comments become tainted by it.  It's the most absurd assertion about the job of the playwrite that I have ever read not just here but anywhere.  Therefore nothing else you write should be taken at face value.  It's clear you have an agenda against this play and you showed your hand in your initial post.  No one else need engage with you because you argue in bad faith. 

I think that about covers it. 

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Posted by A.Douglas 2018-12-17 17:42:37


Scotarts said: "A.Douglas said: "I vehemently disagree with the above review of the piece."

Prove it wrong then. It's a RIPOFF.
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Sir, I will not even dignify your, what seems to be, very personal attack on this piece with a list of reasons to "prove" its legitimacy. I don't know who you are, or exactly why you disliked this piece so much, but as far as I am concerned, this piece is a phenomenal epic, and moved me very much when I saw it in March.

You are entitled to your own opinions, but, frankly, I don't believe Tom or Tony will be sending cease and desists to Matthew Lopez anytime soon.

"The Inheritance" is not a "ripoff". It has not stolen anyone's intellectual property. It has taken tasteful, cultural and artistic influence from its predecessors (like "Angels" and "Invention of Love", "The Normal Heart" and, of course, "Howard's End"), but it tells a story that is entirely new and relatable. Especially for me, a young, 20-something-year-old gay man in New York City. What Lopez has written has moved me very deeply, and was almost entirely how I felt inside, all the thoughts, feelings and opinions that I did not have the proper way to verbalize or write out. Matthew Lopez has done that for me, and many, many, many other people who have attended a performance of this play. I consider this to be a jewel of a piece of Theatre, and one that will continue to move its viewers. But, I digress.

*Gets off soapbox*

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Posted by A.Douglas 2018-12-17 17:45:26


SonofRobbieJ said: "Scotarts said: "How dare a now-40 year old who could never have experienced half what he claims authority over a knowledge he could never have witnessed? How dare this come-lately take the histories of a dead generation and sell it back to us.!?

I haven't seen or even read the play. But the part of your screed I've just quoted is all I need to discredit your argument. I am of Lopez's generation. It is our job...our inheritance, if you will...to tell the stories of those who cannot speak for themselves. We were the generation of gay men that came of age with absolutely no one to guide us. The generation above us were all dead, dying or grieving. We saw all of that from a very young age. It formed us. And it created this duty to honor that generation. To claim that a playwright must have lived through something to be able to write about it is so wildly off-base, so counter to everything that is the process of creating theater, so incredibly antithetical to what theater is and should be that rest of your comments become tainted by it. It's the most absurd assertion about the job of the playwrite that I have ever read not just here but anywhere. Therefore nothing else you write should be taken at face value. It's clear you have an agenda against this play and you showed your hand in your initial post. No one else need engage with you because you argue in bad faith.

I think that about covers it.
"



PREACH! <3

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Posted by Wick3 2018-12-17 18:04:47


I wouldn't go as far as calling it plagiarism but from watching/reading the play, it did remind me a lot of Howards End. I don't know Matthew Lopez's ethnic background nor do I know if he's Hispanic/Latino/Filipino but if he were, it would been really interesting to see if he added any elements of the play from his own teenager/20s experience as a gay man (presuming he's gay.)

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Posted by A.Douglas 2018-12-17 18:16:00


Wick3 said: "I wouldn't go as far as calling it plagiarism but from watching/reading the play, it did remind me a lot of Howards End. I don't know Matthew Lopez's ethnic background nor do I know if he's Hispanic/Latino/Filipino but if he were, it would been really interesting to see if he added any elements of the play from his own teenager/20s experience as a gay man (presuming he's gay.)"



Well, I should hope so, haha. It was directly inspired by the book. It states so on the title page of the script, actually. :)

And Matthew Lopez's ethnic background is Puerto Rican. His Aunt is Priscilla Lopez, the Tony-Winning actress who originated the role of "Diana Morales" in "A Chorus Line". He is openly gay.

<3

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Posted by orangeskittles 2018-12-17 19:42:39


Scotarts said: "Same kills himself outside of NYC in a car crash = Jackson Pollock story

Everyone gathers for a party and argues: Boys in the band
"


Ah yes, the only time these events ever happen. Can't imagine why everyone doesn't pay royalties to Mart Crowley for "everyone gathers for a party and argues" stories since he clearly invented that. And Jackson Pollock is the only person who ever died in a car crash under the influence.

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Posted by GiantsInTheSky2 2018-12-17 22:19:26


Scotarts said: "Go ahead, let the keyboard war ensue - post and post , while credible work such as ANGELS closes in NYC after a short run and so does Torch Song - which I venture few of this McAudience has seen.."

Angels In America, Torch Song, as well as The Inheritance, were all limited runs from the beginning. They were announced as such. So there’s hole #1 in your temper tantrum.

Hole #2 is that you aren’t objective by any means, you have an axe to grind with several different things - this show, the writer, The Vic, this board, gays under the age of 40, the younger theater community itself. Some self awareness and reflection is needed if you want anyone to take your, uh, ‘opinion’ seriously. 

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Posted by Up In One 2018-12-18 00:23:50


Always suspicious of those who join the group and debut the same day with a bellyful of darts and missels against a new show. I guess we need outliers but I hope the poster engages across the board as well as he does against The Inheritance. I hope it does transfer between the reviews and the majority of the posts here it sounds exciting.

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Posted by qolbinau 2018-12-18 02:56:45


I go to the theatre because I enjoy it so I don’t feel quite as passionate about it as Scotarts - nor do I think any specific example of ‘plagerism’ he listed really matter. But I have to agree with the overall sense that this play is a little too self-congratulatory and self-important for (at least for my tastes) given it is for the most part either exploring very frivolous themes or covering old ground. And yes even Redgrave who you want to love is far too old and seems a bit lost on stage. It wouldn’t matter except that we keep being ‘told’ it is the next Angels in America and ‘told’ that it’s important. Good sales people and marketing but I don’t see it personally.

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Posted by Scotarts 2018-12-18 06:34:05


"I haven't seen or even read the play. "

No, THAT covers it. 

Go ahead, play tright into their marketing ploy - defend, don't read, don't see and let this fraud stand and rake in the cash. When your generation gets older, you're going to wonder: "Wait, what happened.?"

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Posted by Scotarts 2018-12-18 06:37:35


thank you. 

 

*IF* they even gave credit where due, that would be one thing. But they've attempted, via a relentless Instgram and Facebook ad campaign, to position this guy as the next Stoppard or Fierstein. You have to EARN that. He didn't. 

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Posted by Scotarts 2018-12-18 06:42:14


Sir, 

As is the case with most internet opinion factories: Prove it or stop defending. "In the tradition..." Blah blah blah. 

Thi sis my very case in point - they rely on the ignorance and wistful acceptance of a gullible "anything is exposure" agenda. 

Don;t attack the messenger - this forum is full of far more scholarly types than me - but I still challenge you or any other "Vehemently" types to actually DO THE WORK. 

Case in point:

Even the seminole moment in the play , when he apes Froster to come to the line "The INheritance" is a direct plagirism of Tom Stoppard's Invention of Love - when Oscar Wilde's character does exaclty the same thing - in a conversation with AE Housemann -

Basically, Housmann calls Wilde an outlandish something or other - to which Wilde replies "At least, I LIVED!" -- then Wilde retors Hausemann: to the effect of asserting Hausmann is a moral failure and let down the cause (of gays I guess). Sound FAMILIAR?

Now, again, PROVE ME WRONG. It's a direct LIFT.

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Posted by Jordan Catalano 2018-12-18 08:29:21


This thread has taken an amazingly bizarre turn into the absurd today.

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Posted by A.Douglas 2018-12-18 09:07:53


Scotarts, you seem to have a personal vendetta against Matthew Lopez, and I am puzzled as to why. He has written a play that has been inspired by his predecessors (Crowley, Fierstein, Kramer, Kushner, Stoppard, Albee, etc.) He has not, in any shape or form, stolen material from anyone.

He has written a play about Drag Queens, "The Legend of Georgia McBride". Are you going to insinuate that he ripped off "Torch Song" and "La Cage Aux Folles", or even "The Birdcage"? Shall we rope in Elaine May into the list, too? Also, a play about Jewish Slaves in the post-Civil War South, "The Whipping Man".

The point I am trying to make is, this piece is entirely original, and just as beautiful. You may not like it, fine, but the claims of plagiarism are very flimsy and weak. Also, your consistent typos are not a plus for your argument. It just conveys, to me at least, a manic desire to expel your aggravation toward this piece.

Anyway, I don't wish to antagonize or anger, but I find your argument very perplexing, and it grows more so as the day goes on.

To anyone that is concerned about such accusations, read the piece, and make a determination yourself. :) They can be purchased through the publisher directly, Faber Drama, in the UK, or thorugh AbeBooks, Ebay, AmazonUK, and, soon, Amazon in the US. It is a sublime piece, and one that has deeply impacted my life, and the lives of many others. I have not fallen for any publicity tactics, etc, I saw this in March, prior to opening at the Young Vic in London, and the entire run of the play was almost sold out. I went because I loved "Georgia McBride" at the Lortel in NYC, knowing absolutely nothing about this piece, and I left a changed man. I went as a blank piece of paper, and came out all the colors of the rainbow. I am an example of how this piece is not, as Scotarts has claimed, powered by publicity. Seriously, read this play. It's FABulous.

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Posted by Wick3 2018-12-18 10:24:33


You can get a copy of the play script at Drama Bookshop in NYC. That's where I bought my copy from a few months ago. I actually bought a few copies after reading it and gave them as holiday presents to a few friends who I think might enjoy it. 

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Posted by JSquared2 2018-12-18 10:30:30


Scotarts said: Case in point:

Even the seminole moment in the play , when he apes Froster to come to the line "The INheritance" is a direct plagirism of Tom Stoppard's Invention of Love - when Oscar Wilde's character does exaclty the same thing - in a conversation with AE Housemann -


Wait a minute --- is it now a play about  gay Native Anericans?

 

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Posted by SonofRobbieJ 2018-12-18 10:37:15


I actually have no desire to read this play before I see it either here when it transfers or in London when I'm there next summer.  And, frankly, I don't care if someone hates or loves this play.  It means absolutely nothing to me.  But arguing that middle aged playwrights in 2018 can't write plays about the AIDS epidemic is so flipping insane that it only underlines how unhinged the rest of the posts are from this user.

I certainly don't need to provide bona fides to anyone here but I'm a middle aged man who has performed in the works of Kushner, Fierstein and Kramer. Stop thinking you're giving me any kind of education.  I've forgotten more about the theater than you've ever learned. 

Good day, sir.

I said good day.

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Posted by Jordan Catalano 2018-12-18 11:03:33


If you haven’t seen the play but plan to, I’d actually suggest NOT reading it before going. The published script omits a couple incredibly emotional parts, one of which, on paper, is about 3 sentences long but on stage goes on for several minutes and left me just devestated.

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Posted by Kad 2018-12-18 11:24:41


Using established tropes- even commonly-used ones- does not make a writer a plagiarist. And some of the things you list are so general that they could apply to dozens, if not hundreds, of other plays and works of fiction.

If you’re going by that reductive argument, you may as well accuse The Boys in the Band of ripping off Who’s Afraid of Virginia Woolf for depicting a bitchy, sadistic cocktail party.

Call the play derivative. Fine! But to say it is a work of plagiarism and imbue your argument with such vitriol? All that does is make you look like damaged goods.

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Posted by imeldasturn 2018-12-18 11:56:05


I mean, I think the play is derivative, but I think it's part of the point. With its evident references to AiA, Love! Valour! Confession! etc, the play is putting itself in dialogue with previous gay plays, showing the inheritance of previous works of LGTB-themed theatre. The only time it gets a bit too much is when Tristan says goodbye before leaving for Canada - that's really a Belieze's rip-off

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Posted by Kad 2018-12-18 12:00:08


Angels in America, Love! Valor! Compassion! , etc are also all derivative works! That’s the point! That’s gay culture! Gay culture is taking what exists from the dominant culture and making it into something new and fabulous. It’s grabbing the story back.

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Posted by orangeskittles 2018-12-18 18:16:17


If only there were some clue as to why The Inheritance would be influenced by gay plays of the past, given that it's a play about generations of gay men passing along their history. Hmm. Total mystery there.

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Posted by raddersons 2018-12-18 18:25:43


Sad that with the horrendous grosses of Torch Song, there's no way this is coming to bway without a few big names. Maybe Park Ave Armory or St Ann's Warehouse will pick it up.

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Posted by Jordan Catalano 2018-12-18 18:59:52


Even a smaller Off-Broadway run would probably need one or two “names” to help sell it, since tickets will still probably be $100+ each and you’re asking people to buy them twice.

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Posted by JBC3 2018-12-18 19:13:02


The London run ends 19 Jan 2019 FWIW.

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Posted by TotallyEffed 2018-12-18 19:42:41


I can’t imagine this not coming to New York.

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Posted by Robbie2 2018-12-19 00:20:28


TotallyEffed said: "I can’t imagine this not coming to New York."

 

It is coming next season...maybe Sonia & Tom will produce w/ either MTC or put it at the Hudson in the fall!?

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Posted by Wick3 2018-12-19 08:48:38


I hope it also comes to New York but the play is not a sold-out house in the West End. When it was off-west end it was very hard to get a ticket but it seems like it's easier to get a ticket nowadays.

Wouldn't Vanessa Redgrave be the big name?

Boys in the Band did really well probably because of the all-star cast. Torch Song did really well off-bway but I'm not sure why it's not doing well now (perhaps timing? marketing?) Angels in America had big names too but it struggled in the box office (probably due to the length.)

 

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Posted by JBC3 2018-12-19 08:57:19


Redgrave really seems too frail to continue in this for another run and many other "names" could play her small role.

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Posted by Jordan Catalano 2018-12-19 09:48:54


Redgrave is in the show for about 15 minutes in part 2. You can’t sell this show on her (or any actor playing that part) name alone.

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Posted by Kad 2018-12-19 09:59:02


The Ferryman's cast boasts zero starpower in the US, it is fairly long (not two parts, but still), and is about a topic most Americans have little familiarity with, and yet it is doing very well based on its prestige and word of mouth. 

A limited run in a moderate-sized house on Broadway should do fine. 

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Posted by JSquared2 2018-12-19 10:35:46


Jordan Catalano said: "Redgrave is in the show for about 15 minutes in part 2. You can’t sell this show on her (or any actor playing that part) name alone."

 

Sure you can.  If they had Redgrave (or Judi Dench or Maggie Smith or any one of the old Grande Dames), people wouldn't care how long they were actually on stage in the show --- they'd just need to see her make an appearance.

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Posted by nasty_khakis 2018-12-19 15:30:22


qolbinau said: "Also agree. I’m surprised anyone would describe this as one of Redgrave’s finest moments on stage. Maybe I saw her on an off night but she seems far too old, tentative in the role, lines, accent and movement.

I am so glad I saw this and did enjoy myself, but if you are expecting this to be a life changing experience and the best theatre you’ve ever seen in your life I can’t help but predict many will be disappointed. It’s so not as important as the creative team and cast thinkit is. It mighthave been if we didn’t already have such high quality gay HIV-themed plays in the past.
"

I agree. I saw the show twice and both times she seemed to being fed lines via an earpiece or maybe just took way too long on her cues.

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Posted by Campbell5 2019-01-09 19:30:11


I saw this in London last week. It will come to Broadway and win the Pulitzer and TONY for Best Play.

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Posted by MadonnaMusical 2019-01-10 03:00:50


Campbell5 said: "I saw this in London last week. It will come to Broadway and win the Pulitzer and TONY for Best Play."

Yep. Agreed. 

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Posted by MadonnaMusical 2019-01-10 03:02:15


Jordan Catalano said: "Redgrave is in the show for about 15 minutes in part 2. You can’t sell this show on her (or any actor playing that part) name alone."

Of course you can. If Meryl Streep did it... 

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Posted by Wick3 2019-01-10 12:24:14


Very true. Isn't Meryl Streep looking for a way to get back to Broadway in an original role?