Exactly. The point about the unbelievable and far-fetched plot or characterizations is because they are internally contradictory. Phantom set up a premise which LND then retrospectively destroys but paradoxically is based upon.
The fact that, almost a decade later, people are still arguing about this (as they did as soon as the concept album came out) to me suggests this show is never going to work. I think it'
Out of curiosity, is there anyone in-the-know reading this who can give some idea of this show's potential longevity? It's already run a lot longer than I expected - which is delightful because I saw this in London and it was one of the best theatrical experiences I've ever had. I would love to see this again in NYC...
chernjam said: "ermengarde said: "Little known to many on here, there's actually a third version- a production in Denmark using the Australian libretto translated into Danish. Still pretty awful but pretty to look at... like every production of LND.
With all the callbacks to the original Phantom... why don't they just do the original Phantom? ALW has had many flops in his life, but he usually just moves on. Why is he still beating this dead horse? He's
I get this is a fan thread but some of the comments on this are just bizarre. This idea that rabid Phans somehow destroyed Love Never Dies and were gunning for Lloyd Webber's demise is just nonsense. Much of the negative buzz around the show in London did not come from so-called Phans but from the general public (The Times ran a piece that made RUG panic about the negative responses online, but these were not from Phan communities but rather from general theatr
I can't quite remember what happened with Piaf but I recall there being some issues with the London run. I think Elaine was suffering from some sort of health issue and that might have scuppered any Broadway transfer. I don't think Piaf is a great play anyway but it is a great star vehicle. Elena Roger was thrilling in it.
I've always liked Paige but sadly her voice is not what it was and has greatly changed. By contrast, Patti sounds superb.
By the way, it's worth noting that the Australian production was fairly well-received by both critics and audience members when it opened, and since then it's played in other countries more or less to some acclaim. This production is arguably not the disaster that was universally panned over in London.
That's not quite true. RUG have done a good job with their PR of making the Oz production look like a hit, but I have doubts it ever recouped. It was sup
"A tragically misguided project. ALW would have been better off pumping some of the better tunes into a new story. He insulted his own creation, suggesting he really never understood the first show at all- clearly Hal Prince made the original what it was."
Couldn't agree more. The ghastly 2004 film was evidence of that but LND just confirmed it.
I guess ALW has now given up with his regular, repeated hot air a
Overall, I thought it was a big disappointment. I posted a detailed review on this board - see the link at the bottom.
Judging by what other fans have said, it still is a big disappointment, particularly if you've already seen the original production. I'm told that they took on board comments re the pathetic chandelier in the UK, though, and that this was improved, but to be honest
LOVE NEVER DIES eyeing Broadway; Completely new ending? Mar 14
2014, 06:42:52 PM
No plot will make this show work because it's redundant. Either the Phantom gets the girl (thereby ruining the whole point of the original, which is a tale about unrequited love) or he doesn't (redundant story).
The cheap and predictable plot, the bad lyrics, the nonsensical characterisations...the ending is hardly the most pressing issue.
And how many times now has ALW said this is going to Broadway? Seriously...even dead horses get better treatment than this.
Evita Revivals Albums Dec 27
2013, 07:34:44 AM
I saw both productions and have both albums. Both have their pluses and minuses.
I have a slight preference for the London recording because:
a) No expense was spared for the orchestra on the London album. It's a very lush sound with a very large orchestra -- unfortunately, the expense of this meant that they decide to make it a highlights-only album. The Broadway recording sometimes sounds cheap in comparison orchestra-wise -- compare the orchestras in 'Buenos Aires', for ins
Sondheim's weaker lyrics/rhymes Dec 27
2013, 07:09:14 AM
Sondheim's probably my favourite lyricist, and Sweeney for me is one of the very best musicals ever written (it's superb musically AND lyrically), but even then there are a couple of rhymes in that piece which for me don't work so well because, while they work in American English, they don't in British English. And given the fact that some of the lyrics appear to be written with the latter in mind (Mrs Lovett's use of "wot", for instance) -- even if they're not always performed in that ac
The Phantom of the Opera US Tour Dec 4
2013, 06:21:37 PM
Word is that they have made a few changes since the UK tour as the reception to it from the UK audiences -- and especially fans -- who are familiar with the original was not particularly favourable, so my view on the tour may be slightly out-of-date. I would say definitely try and see the Broadway production if you can -- it's an iconic piece of theatre in its own right and has become legendary for its staging with good reason. Hal Prince is one of the greats. Laurence Connor (who?)...isn't. I t
The Phantom of the Opera US Tour Dec 1
2013, 02:39:18 PM I saw it opening night and thought it was fantastic. However, it was my first time seeing Phantom so I know little about the changes made. I'd love to hear how it compares to the Broadway version.
If it's anything like its UK incarnation of the tour, then the answer to that is BADLY.
Ramin Karimloo NY Appearance August 1 Jul 28
2013, 08:46:23 PM
I don't think he's ever come across as particularly steeped in theatre, be it plays, musicals or otherwise. He seems far more interested in being a rock singer.
He's a nice guy, but I've always found his untrained voice too frequently sharp in pitch terms to be enjoyable. His Phantom in the RAH concert is particularly unlistenable for me because of the sharpness and constant intakes of breath at every other second.
Patti LuPone Jul 28
2013, 08:38:53 PM
Thanks for posting! I'd never seen the Rainbow High one before. Was so glad she performed it in her little concert her in London - that plus Buenos Aires plus With One Look made my night.
EVITA national tour? Jun 25
2013, 03:16:56 PM I could be wrong but Perhaps Elena got great reviews in London because she didn't have to live up to America's Evita? Am i right in saying that Elain Paige wasn't as Ferocious of an Eva as Lupone? London Audiences may have been more accustomed to Elena's Eva because it was more subtle like they had seen years earlier with Elaine. I am just guessing here.
Personally I think the reason Elena didn't get great reviews in America is because she was up against the memory of Lupone.
Patti LuPone trashes Sherie Rene Scott? Jun 25
2013, 03:09:12 PM
I'm not sure I can believe the Patti going into the revival idea. That sounds far too off the wall; she wouldn't fit into the aesthetic of the revival plus she's 30 years too old (although that didn't stop Marti Webb from taking on the role in a UK tour of the Hal Prince version nearly 20 years after she originally did it). But I don't find Mark Shenton a particularly trustworthy or credible source either; even Michael Riedel is more professional re the truth than Shenton IMHO.
EVITA national tour? Jun 23
2013, 04:14:37 PM It was like the director didn't read the lyrics. There was no conflict between Eva And Everyman, Evita was an evil woman and she was deified and portrayed as sympathetic in this ridiculous production. And trying to make her Cassie from A Chorus Line was absurd. (I read that ALW wanted more dancing). Plus there was not one brilliant or showstopping moment of staging except the scene change into Buenos Aires. The only scene that worked for me was the Magaldi scene which seemed authentic. The op
Patti LuPone Sings SUNSET BOULEVARD Jun 23
2013, 04:10:03 PM Are her and Andrew still not speaking to each other? Apparently during casting for the Phantom Movie Andrew thought Patti would be perfect for the part of Carlotta but then one of his associates said " But Patti doesn't talk to you" and Andrew said " Oh well there is that" Or something along those lines. I always get a kick out of reading that part in her book LOL.
That bit of Patti's book puzzled me to be honest. I think ALW would have been well aware that this was a silly sugg