Riedel on vultures circling ‘Great Comet’

[whizzer_wins]

trpguyy said: "ACL2006 said: "We could get an announcement tomorrow, but I'm starting to think they'll keep it open with either Scott or Dave in the role and maybe close by Labor Day."

Yes, Scott for a week and Dave for a week. Then... ¯\_(?)_/¯

 

Is it definite that Dave will be on the 27th, whether or not that is the closing date? I'm looking at buying a ticket and if the closing show is soon (or just a Dave show in general), I'd like to get a ticket now."

 

[schubox]

trpguyy said: "ACL2006 said: "We could get an announcement tomorrow, but I'm starting to think they'll keep it open with either Scott or Dave in the role and maybe close by Labor Day."

Yes, Scott for a week and Dave for a week. Then... ¯\_(?)_/¯

 

"

If this is true then my tickets for the 20th would be Scott. On one hand if it's closing I'd like to see Dave, but I've seen him already and never seems scott 

[schubox]

HogansHero said: "@10086, I'm glad you are going to resist further discussion of this here, and I am not inclined to PM. Your reference was not very veiled. I have not heard anything on the subject; my comment was drawn entirely from your unsubtle hint which I continue to think was out of line, especially now that we know it was based on hearsay. I had no problem at all with your first post on this matter. I'm not trying to pick a fight either.

 

"

Why does it matter. We've heard all kinds of stuff from all kinds of posters. If he wants to reveal something that's up to him. If he doesn't he shouldn't have brought it up in the first place 

[Hellob]

10086sunset said: "HogansHero said: "That's too much, and irresponsible. If you cannot provide a source, even generically, I think you should take it down. (It also seems implausible in light of the fact he is still performing in the show.)"

 

Hogan, what is too much? What did I say? I said there was a missing piece.

It's not a question of cannot. It's a fact that I will not. 

Saying it seems 'implausible' implies you've heard the same tale. 

Look, I'm not trying to pick a fight or spread a false rumor. I was told what I was told. I shared that something else was at play. That is all. 

I'm sorry you feel it was too much and irresponsible. That was not my intention. If you'd like to continue this conversation over PM, feel free. I'm going to refrain from speaking about the topic again on this thread. 

 

"

The problem is that even if you don't say anything else, you've already said a lot. The most obvious thing that is going to be inferred by your Mamet clue is sexual harassment or something like that. 

 

[haterobics]

rg7759 said: "I'll note again denee didn't do act 2 on the Saturday matinee before the Mandy announcement"

Duly noted. Not sure her not feeling well enough to do act 2 means anything, though.

[trpguyy]

haterobics said: "rg7759 said: "I'll note again denee didn't do act 2 on the Saturday matinee before the Mandy announcement"

Duly noted. Not sure her not feeling well enough to do act 2 means anything, though."

Everyone knew Oak was bought out and that Mandy would be coming in several days before it was announced. 

[HogansHero]

trpguyy said: "Everyone knew Oak was bought out and that Mandy would be coming in several days before it was announced. "

To repeat: he was not bought out; he was fired. It is a distinction with a difference.

[Audrey33]

So all the talk about wanting him to come back in the Fall was just a blatant lie?

[Acetic Acid]

Don't Equity rules prevent actors from getting fired (unless they do something insane)?

[non-stop26]

I'm really looking forward to seeing the dateline-style documentary on this 

[dramamama611]

Don't Equity rules prevent actors from getting fired (unless they do something insane)?

 

I believe that's what Hogan is telling you.

 

 

[trpguyy]

HogansHero said: "trpguyy said: "Everyone knew Oak was bought out and that Mandy would be coming in several days before it was announced. "

To repeat: he was not bought out; he was fired. It is a distinction with a difference."

I wrote that intentionally. As this all went down, everyone (else) at the Imperial was under the impression that he was bought out. 

[schubox]

Is this something where we're going to hear what happened eventually? Or is it always going to be hush hush 

[oncemorewithfeeling2]

Rarely does anything stay secret anymore.

[HogansHero]

dramamama611 said: "Don't Equity rules prevent actors from getting fired (unless they do something insane)?

 I believe that's what Hogan is telling you."

No, Equity rules say an actor can be fired at any time but must be payed for the notice period (which in the case of a term contract is the term) (or such other amounts as are negotiated). "Just cause" only relates to whether there is a notice period. 

[cb2addict2]

ticket sales for comet pick up again in September. Once they announce the star who will play Pierre in the fall, who has been locked to do the role since before the mandy announcement even happened comes in, the show will gross 1m+ again. expect a close in January.

[trpguyy]

You have a very clever imagination. 

[mullein]

trpguyy said: "HogansHero said: "trpguyy said: "Everyone knew Oak was bought out and that Mandy would be coming in several days before it was announced. "

To repeat: he was not bought out; he was fired. It is a distinction with a difference."

I wrote that intentionally. As this all went down, everyone (else) at the Imperial was under the impression that he was bought out. 

 

"

Uh... Everyone else? The ambiguity on this becomes more concerning with every post. If it's true that something egregious happened then it only raises more questions on why the situation within the show is being conducted the way it's been.

[HogansHero]

Two observations, mullein. First, rumor innuendo and gossip are cheap, and inherently distinguishable from fact. Second, people working on a show are often the last to know (without regard to the fact that they thrive on rumor innuendo and gossip). 

Two other observations: First, there is a reason a person cannot be convicted based on hearsay. Second, everything you need to know about this subject you learned playing the telephone game in second grade.

One hunch: I think trpguyy basically has the correct current information with the huge caveat that the captain of the HMS Imperial is akin to a drunken sailor. 

[BroadwayRox3588]

cb2addict2 said: "ticket sales for comet pick up again in September. Once they announce the star who will play Pierre in the fall, who has been locked to do the role since before the mandy announcement even happened comes in, the show will gross 1m+ again. expect a close in January.

 

"

That would be nice.

[bear88]

I guess it will all come out in the dirty laundry, or not. (I hope not, to be honest. The show deserves a decent burial, not more ugliness.)

I am confused about one thing, and I can't resist asking. There certainly is a difference between having your contract bought out because the producers want to bring in a big name and being fired. The latter seems a lot worse, unless everyone concludes that the people doing the firing were seriously out of line. Also, if he has been fired, why is Onaodowan still performing in the show? Is that normal? 

[gleek4114]

10086sunset, I sent you a PM. 

[Evans2]

HogansHero said: "Two observations, mullein. First, rumor innuendo and gossip are cheap, and inherently distinguishable from fact. Second, people working on a show are often the last to know (without regard to the fact that they thrive on rumor innuendo and gossip). 

Two other observations: First, there is a reason a person cannot be convicted based on hearsay. Second, everything you need to know about this subject you learned playing the telephone game in second grade.

One hunch: I think trpguyy basically has the correct current information with the huge caveat that the captain of the HMS Imperial is akin to a drunken sailor. "

Per usual, Hogan and his condescending tone are here to educate us.

"The captain of the HMS Imperial is akin to a drunken sailor"  You jumped on others who said something similar.

Pot calling kettle black much?

 

 

[haterobics]

Evans2 said: "You jumped on others who said something similar.

Pot calling kettle black much?"

I believe the captain in this is Kagan, whom Hogan has never defended, no?

[haterobics]

trpguyy said: "Yes, Scott for a week and Dave for a week. Then... ¯\_(?)_/¯"

So, this is as much as the cast knows? In which case, we probably won't hear about a closing date this week? (Want to go to the last show, and running around a lot this week, so I'm checking for an announcement all the time, like a crazy person, heh)

[HogansHero]

@bear88, the Equity term is "terminate" not "fire" and Oak was terminated as of the Sunday before Mandy's planned arrival. A "buyout" suggests that he was paid something over and above his contractual pay, with that additional amount serving as consideration for some benefit (e.g., a muzzle). 

@Evans2 I would love to know what you find "condescending." I can't imagine what it would be, since all I did was state some observations. The only thing I can conclude is that you find my very presence here condescending, which is your prerogative but not meaningful to me. haterobics explains how you apparently misconstrued my Captain Imperial quip, which may go far in explaining the broader "problem."