A message for Petralicious

[Fantod]

Stop. No one cares.

Sincerely,

someone who mostly stopped because no one cared.

[BroadwayConcierge]

This is truly a perfect example of policing of another person's right to free speech. Unhelpful, counterproductive, not to mention unconstitutional...and downright rude. 

[sabrelady]

petra viscous - something wet and sticky u stepped it on the Board.

[UncleCharlie]

BroadwayConcierge said: "This is truly a perfect example of policing of another person's right to free speech. Unhelpful, counterproductive, not to mention unconstitutional...and downright rude. 

 

That's pretty rich coming from someone who welcomed me to the board last June by telling me I hadn't been here long enough and didn't even have the right to respond to a more senior poster's comment. Why don't you find a mirror and read back your comment to yourself, you arrogant and hypocritical tool.

 

[Sunshine!]

I'm with UncleCharlie. We sock puppets gotta stick together!

 

BroadwayConcierge is Sutton Ross. 

[FrankieSay]

What kind of education do most people around here have?  Didn't you get basic instruction in the US Constitution in your required American History classes?

It's not unconstitutional to tell somebody to shut the hell up.  In fact, it's protected by the first amendment.  Some people seem to need a refresher.  Or to complete junior high and move on.

[Tag]

Hate to point this out…but starting threads like this…means you do care.

Just ignore it and move on.

[ArtMan]

The irony in this thread is when Fantod originally joined Broadwayworld he was given a really hard time from some long term members.  Fantod was responding to many threads and gave his opinions, as he rightfully should.  Some of these members did not like his opinions.  He responded by stating he was a young high school student.  These long term members did not believe him and gave him a really hard time.  Fanrod reacted defensively and finally posted a picture of himself on here.  He  was very upset that they gave him a really hard time.  My question to Fantod is....aren't you now doing the same thing that you , yourself did not like?

[kdogg36]

BroadwayConcierge said: "This is truly a perfect example of policing of another person's right to free speech. Unhelpful, counterproductive, not to mention unconstitutional...and downright rude."

Wait, what? The original post is unconstitutional? Is Fantod Congress and did (s)he pass a law?

Some people really have skewed notions about free speech. If the government suppresses speech, that's a problem. If an angry mob physically attacks you for what you said, that's also a problem. But if you say something, and someone else says "shut up"? That's just two people both exercising their own freedom of speech.

 

[BroadwayConcierge]

kdogg, yes, our constitutional right to free speech protects our speech from governmental censorship and retaliation—but also, in its specific and intentional phrasing, from societal sanction. Of course, Fantod can exercise his/her right to tell others to shut up, but the intention in doing so in this instance is to fundamentally suppress the political speech of somebody with whom he/she disagrees, and whose opinion is in the vast minority in this space. That's suppression of speech by distaste, and that's unconstitutional. 

[BroadwayConcierge]

Also, I must say, the theatrics of this thread's original post are quite rich, even for a Broadway message board. It's titled "A message for Petralicious," but even though Fantod could easily have clicked the "Send PM" button and given Petra this message one-on-one, he/she elected for the world to see it. By posting to the boards, this "message" has become of a "I dislike Petra, so let me see how many other people are sitting with me on my bandwagon and will join me in ostracizing and condemning him/her until he/she gets pressured to leave here." 

[kdogg36]

BroadwayConcierge said: "kdogg, yes, our constitutional right to free speech protects our speech from governmental censorship and retaliation—but also, in its specific and intentional phrasing, from societal sanction. Of course, Fantod can exercise his/her right to tell others to shut up, but the intention in doing so in this instance is to fundamentally suppress the political speech of somebody with whom he/she disagrees, and whose opinion is in the vast minority in this space. That's suppression of speech by distaste, and that's unconstitutional."

This is entirely wrong. The First Amendment is extremely specific; it begins with the words "Congress shall make no law," and says nothing about "societal sanction." Based on the 14th Amendment, those protections have been extended to state and local governments as well.

I'm pretty close to a free speech absolutist. I think "no law" means "no ****ing law." But outside of that, anything goes. You can say what you like, but you'll also have to face the natural consequences of what you say - others may criticize you, divorce you, fire you, or decline to use your business.

[yankeefan7]

First, I dislike any thread calling out a particular poster. If you don't like their posts, then just ignore them. I know there are other sites that have "ignore" feature where you don't see what that person posts. Don't know if there is anything like that on this board.

[yankeefan7]

"Also, I must say, the theatrics of this thread's original post are quite rich, even for a Broadway message board. It's titled "A message for Petralicious," but even though Fantod could easily have clicked the "Send PM" button and given Petra this message one-on-one, he/she elected for the world to see it. By posting to the boards, this "message" has become of a "I dislike Petra, so let me see how many other people are sitting with me on my bandwagon and will join me in ostracizing and condemning him/her until he/she gets pressured to leave here." "

Good point, this could have been addressed with a PM.

[yankeefan7]

"The irony in this thread is when Fantod originally joined Broadwayworld he was given a really hard time from some long term members.  Fantod was responding to many threads and gave his opinions, as he rightfully should.  Some of these members did not like his opinions.  He responded by stating he was a young high school student.  These long term members did not believe him and gave him a really hard time.  Fanrod reacted defensively and finally posted a picture of himself on here.  He  was very upset that they gave him a really hard time.  My question to Fantod is....aren't you now doing the same thing that you , yourself did not like?"

I remember that also, think some of the "Broadway Legends" posters game him a hard time because he was not their supposed equal in Broadway knowledge.  Unfortunately, I guess he learned from them how to be nasty - oh well.

[dramamama611]

yankeefan7 said: "First, I dislike any thread calling out a particular poster. If you don't like their posts, then just ignore them. I know there are other sites that have "ignore" feature where you don't see what that person posts. Don't know if there is anything like that on this board.

 

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There certainly is: the block feature you can access through your settings.   It works quite well.

[Mister Matt]

Just so there is no confusion, this is what the First Amendment says:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Additionally, not all speech is protected unconditionally.  Yes, you are free to say what you want, but you may still be prosecuted afterward for what you say based on all sorts of other laws.  Examples include libel, slander, "fighting words", sincere threats of violence or death, perjury, extortion, use of child pornography, certain forms of obscenity, certain forms of harassment, copyright infringement and regulations regarding how speech may be used for demonstrations.

The First Amendment, like the Second Amendment (and others) doesn't end at the whim of whatever interpretation is convenient for purposes of a conservative agenda.  It's common for the general public to misinterpret Constitutional law, but unfortunately, Congress often overlooks it as well without being challenged.  For example, gun enthusiasts love using the Second Amendment as a shield saying that it is their Constitutional right to own guns.  So, they layer interpretation of the Amendment with a convenient assortment of excuses to mean something more general than what it actually says, forgetting that there are already laws in place that prevent the ownership not only of certain types of guns, but also other various forms of "arms" or weapons.  They also often apply originalism inconsistently and with intentional ignorance.

So, when invoking the Constitution, it's probably best to explain whether your intent is to apply it as it is currently interpreted and enforced, taking it literally, approaching it from an originalist ideology, or just talking out of your ass based on the popular rhetoric of a political ideology which is often not based in legal research.

[songanddanceman2]

Well I'm British so constitution or not, Petra and Broadway Concierge are like bad panto villains who can't get work anymore so just spew nonsense to gain the attention they do desperately lack in the outside world. 

[Jay Lerner-Z]

^ Furthering that point, this is the world wide web, so who knows where Petralicious is based? Does the US constitution apply to foreign-based contrarian trolls?

[PalJoey]

Robert Reich has posted guidelines for dealing with Trump that can be applied to dealing with his hired political trolls like Petra and this Fake Concierge:

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1. Don't use his name;
2. Remember this is a regime and he's not acting alone;
3. Do not argue with those who support him--it doesn't work;
4. Focus on his policies, not his orange-ness and mental state;
5. Keep your message positive; they want the country to be angry and fearful because this is the soil from which their darkest policies will grow;
6. No more helpless/hopeless talk;
7. Support artists and the arts and/or independent media;
8. Be careful not to spread fake news. Check it;
9. Take care of yourselves; and
10. Resist!
If this speaks to you, copy to paste to your wall.

[yankeefan7]

"There certainly is: the block feature you can access through your settings.   It works quite well."

Thanks for the information, I will check it out.

[Fantod]

Not trying to be nasty. Just saying that it really isn't worth it.

[BroadwayRox3588]

I don't understand why this thread is even a thing. Especially since it could have been said in a PM (like an above poster said). Has anyone here ever had a director that told you to "save the drama for the stage?" Nothing was going to come from this thread, except unnecessary drama. I don't understand why it needed to be created. Just my opinion. Take it or leave it.

[Mildred Plotka]

And that poster above also says you are harassing them and are terrifying if you go the pm route. You can't win with either of these 2 trolls. Blocking them seems the best route for all of us rational people. They constantly claim freedom of speech yet support a man out to take those rights away.  You can't win. They're out to make everyone feel miserable because they aren't happy with who they are. I really do miss what this off topic forum used to be. I'm just disgusting that this once diverse place is being taken over by 2 idiots who trumpet someone set to make America as white as possible. 

[Margo319]

Fantod,

The world is really, really horrible right now.  If someone is pissing you off or just being annoying, erase them from your life, on the internet or off.  Delete. Block.  It's just not worth it, obsessing about some anonymous human.  You can't control people, that poster will do whatever they want, but you can control your own narrative.  What you allow WILL continue.  So... maybe stop allowing it? I think you'll be happier.  

And just for the record, that poster has sent private messages that were racist, sexist, homophobic, and extremely xenophobic.  Why waste energy with a person like that?

 

[yankeefan7]

"I really do miss what this off topic forum used to be."

I participate in one other board and you can probably guess what it is by my screen name - lol. The OT subjects are the ones that seem to bring out all the fighting, name calling and nastiness on that board. It seems to me that the original idea of an particular board is where the posting is the most civil. I am not saying there should be not OT part of a board but everyone needs to remember when you start talking politics things will get heated and sometimes ugly.