89th Academy Awards Thread

[wonderfulwizard11]

What a terribly odd moment- and kudos to the La La Land crew for handling it well.

That said.

YAYYYYYYYYY MOONLIGHT!!!!! I can't think of a movie more deserving. 

[@z5]

Really think Michelle Williams should have gotten Supp Actress...her scenes (although small) were heartbreaking in Manchester. Such an underrated actress who never gets awarded.

[icecreambenjamin]

I strongly believe that the academy should speak up and award both films Best Picture.  They are both truly deserving, brilliant films.  I'm very happy to see Moonlight win, but I feel really awful for La La Land.  They had just thanked their families and then they had the award taken back.  As an artist myself, that must be a really horrible experience.  It was, however, really exciting and hopeful to see Moonlight win.

Also, Denzel was robbed.

[Jay Lerner-Z]

I don't understand why Beatty didn't say something when he saw the wrong card.

 

I think he was just about to set the record straight, but was just a few seconds too late. Poor guy, I don't think it was his fault, although Jordan Horowitz sure did look annoyed with him, grabbing the card out of his hand and whatnot. 

[ljay889]

That was absolutely insane. Can't wait to rewatch it all again tomorrow.

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Award them both Best Picture?

Um, no. I doubt they would even want a pity win. Moonlight got the most votes. For all we know, La La Land came fourth or something.

[Luscious]

Sh!t happens. I knew the minute they announced that Beatty and Dunaway would be announcing Best Picture that they would somehow screw it up. LOL! I wouldn't have wanted to be within 10 miles of Dunaway after the show. I can only imagine the backstage drama! But it was a historical moment, nonetheless. Not only the screw up, but a black film with a gay theme winning Best Picture! Couldn't be more perfect right now! Too bad for LA LA LAND, but they won six. And having just seen MOONLIGHT earlier today, I have to say, it deserved it. Kudos to MOONLIGHT!

[BroadwayConcierge]

Bracing for the headlines tomorrow morning. A New York Times reporter tweeted from the Oscars press room that jaws were still dropped 15 minutes after it happened as they were all frantically rewriting stories. 

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Y'know, looking at the clip again, it does actually seem like Warren Beatty knew something was up...saying "the Academy Award...for best picture (?)..." looking awkardly offstage, before shoving the envelope at Faye -allowing her to take the fall...the dirty rat.

Another day in the life of Faye Dunaway.

[javero]

I'll have to download Moonlight tomorrow.  I switched channels to watch Homeland right after the presentation of the Best Actress award and missed the kerfuffle.  Add me to the list of curmudgeons.  This season's Best Movie entries didn't really pique my interest.  I only saw Arrival and La La Land and that was enough.

[wonderfulwizard11]

icecreambenjamin said: "I strongly believe that the academy should speak up and award both films Best Picture.  They are both truly deserving, brilliant films.  I'm very happy to see Moonlight win, but I feel really awful for La La Land.  They had just thanked their families and then they had the award taken back.  As an artist myself, that must be a really horrible experience."

Yeah, I'm sure it sucked for them, but it also hauled off with the most trophies of the night. And more importantly, it didn't win- a mistake on someone's part doesn't mean they should get a pity Oscar. 

[sabrelady]

if Dunaway was considered a recluse b4, she'll be a pariah now. READ!

[Marianne2]

wonderfulwizard11 said: "icecreambenjamin said: "I strongly believe that the academy should speak up and award both films Best Picture.  They are both truly deserving, brilliant films.  I'm very happy to see Moonlight win, but I feel really awful for La La Land.  They had just thanked their families and then they had the award taken back.  As an artist myself, that must be a really horrible experience."

Yeah, I'm sure it sucked for them, but it also hauled off with the most trophies of the night. And more importantly, it didn't win- a mistake on someone's part doesn't mean they should get a pity Oscar. 

 

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I agree.  The situation sucks big time, but a pity award is not needed. Both parties I feel bad for. La La Land has to live with hearing they lost after being announced the winner. And now Moonlight will have to hear that the wrong winner was announced before they were announced the winner instead of basking in the full glory of their win.

[Theater_Nerd]

The excuse Warren Beatty gave for the mix up isn't going over so well.

Emma Stone has just gone on record to say that the card naming her as Best Actress was in her possession, so there is no way Beatty was given the wrong card unless of course there were two cards naming Emma as Best Actress in existence. 

 

 

[Call_me_jorge]

But it's not like they read it wrong either. Why would there even be a card that says la la Land won? 

[Jay Lerner-Z]

There wasn't. The card said "Emma Stone - La La Land". Faye's eyes jumped to La La Land because that's what she was expecting, and it just tumbled out of her mouth. Warren was the only one to realize the mistake, but wasn't sure how to handle it and the situation overtook him. The only one to blame is the person who gave him the wrong envelope.

[gypsy101]

that was crazy. i loved moonlight but still thought LLL was a better film. so happy for Emma Stone!

[Theater_Nerd]

I am seeing pictures on the internet that show Beatty holding an envelope clearly marked "Actress In A Leading Role". Maybe two were accidentally printed and Beatty was handed the second one.

[swanjewel]

As it turns out, there are two briefcases with identical cards that go to the show.  Each accountant has a briefcase. According to reports, the producers realized there were 2 unopened cards left stating the best picture winner and no cards for the best actress winner. Why they would risk having both cards out for each category is beyond me. It would make sense to have one set out and the other set still in the other briefcase.  Whoever handed the wrong card to Beatty messed up big time. Or maybe he grabbed the wrong one. But he clearly knew something was wrong.

[Theater_Nerd]

[Theater_Nerd]

swanjewel said: "As it turns out, there are two briefcases with identical cards that go to the show.  Each accountant has a briefcase. According to reports, the producers realized there were 2 unopened cards left stating the best picture winner and no cards for the best actress winner. Why they would risk having both cards out for each category is beyond me. It would make sense to have one set out and the other set still in the other briefcase.  Whoever handed the wrong card to Beatty messed up big time. Or maybe he grabbed the wrong one. But he clearly knew something was wrong.

 

That sounds like the most logical explanation. I just posted the pic showing Beatty holding the envelope clearly marked "Actress In A Leading Role". Emma Stone had the first one in her possession.

 

[Theater_Nerd]

Emma Stone explains she had her Best Actress card during Oscar mistake.

 

[Marianne2]

Here is a story about why there are 2 briefcases of envelopes and the security they go through to deliver them to the theater. 

http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-38923750

[froote]

So happy for Moonlight. My favourite film of all time.

[bear88]

It figures. The year I'm rooting for the front-runner, the ode-to-Hollywood movie to win is the year Academy voters go another direction. My guesses as to why...

1) Moonlight emerged as the lone challenger but was able to skate under the radar. Have you read any critical reassessments of the film, pointing out flaws or things that didn't work? I haven't seen anything. The film didn't get the sort of attention that usually accompanies two-horse races, such as Boyhood and Birdman. I think it benefited from a disinclination to criticize the only serious Oscar contender ever that focused on a gay, black man. 

2) The La La Land backlash. I underestimated this, It was an imperfect movie, but ever since its Golden Globes sweep and 14 Oscar nominations, the film's every flaw has been attacked, including its slightly dicey racial aspects (overstated in my view but definitely there). That made it more vulnerable to a film like Moonlight. It got to the point where even the film's fans felt the need to point out its flaws.

3) Everybody loves an underdog, and Moonlight was a particularly appealing one. My second choice of the nominated films I've seen was Hell or High Water, a strongly-written film set in West Texas that touched not so subtly on the fact that its white small-town characters were losing their way of life. But it never had a chance to win anything and was lucky to be nominated. It was a Red State film. Which brings me to...

4) Donald Trump was elected. I thought Academy voters would have a tough time resisting a well-made, well-reviewed valentine to Hollywood. But La La Land's escapism started to seem a bit too fluffy compared to a film like Moonlight with Trump in the White House. If Hillary Clinton had been elected, I think La La Land wins. Trump's election changed the dynamics in a way that damaged that film and gave Academy voters a chance to cast a proxy vote against Trump. 

5) Moonlight's fans really, really loved it. Maybe I will too when I see it another time. But it had a base of support that thought it was wonderful and soul-stirring. Just look on this thread. Nobody said La La Land was thieir favorite film of all time, but people say that sort of thing about Moonlight. I discounted the giddy reaction in the audience to Moonlight's win at the Golden Globes. I was wrong. 

[sabrelady]

The whole thing is just sad- the win is tainted as it looks like they took it away from La La Land.

They didn't but that's the optics and the LLL folk were kicked in the gut. Talk about snatching defeat from  the jaws of vistory.

Wonder if Ernst & Young will be the new auditors ?