Ivanka's Fans Are Awful

[A Director]

Following his husband’s altercation with Ivanka Trump aboard a JetBlue flight, Marc Lasner is facing calls for his head, as thousands sign a petition to get him sacked from his professorship at New York’s Hunter College.

“We believe his immature and cruel harassment of Ivanka Trump and her family at JFK airport should be met with disciplinary action,” read the petition, signed by over 40,000 people and started by “Right Wing Millennials.” “Someone like Mr. Lasner, who would harass a mother and her child simply trying to go about their day, does not deserve the honor of teaching.”

Lasner, an associate professor of urban studies at the college, part of the City University of New York, played a sidekick in last week’s controversy, photographing husband Dan Goldstein’s confrontation with Ivanka Trump and tweeting about the event. Goldstein told Trump, who was flying with her children and husband, that her father was “ruining the country” in addition to ruining their flight by causing a delay. JetBlue escorted Lasner and Goldstein off the flight.

[JM226]

soooo why are they awful? arent they just providing him with the same treatment he provided to Ivanka?

[Mister Matt]

Actually no, they're not.

[Petralicious]

This is as great as when that   (company, official, actor, politician) made those unPC comments about ( choose any liberal cause) and got (fired or boycotted)

[Mister Matt]

By "unPC", do you mean racist/homophobic derogatory slurs, hate speech/inciting violence against a minority, and/or the admission or encouragement of sexually assaulting women?

[BroadwayConcierge]

Actually, Mister Matt, I'm pretty sure that by "unPC," Petra meant "not politically correct."

[A Director]

To the Pisher and the Bimbo -

It is a fact Trump makes  "racist/homophobic derogatory slurs, hate speech/inciting violence against a minority, and/or the admission or encouragement of sexually assaulting women."

Do you approve Trump's words and actions?

Neither of you understands being Politically Correct.  I know you and others of your ilk believe Trump is speaking is mind.  To do so, Trump needs to have a mind!

[Mister Matt]

Actually, BroadwayConcierge, my question was rhetorical.  Sort of like Petra's faulty comparison.  

[Petralicious]

You want an equal comparison?

Imagine if Malia or Michelle was accosted on a plane, the attackers heads would be on spikes and paraded thru the forum 

[Scarywarhol]

No. No they would not be. 

Good lord, you're a cancer on this board. 

[BroadwayConcierge]

Petralicious said: "Imagine if Malia or Michelle was accosted on a plane, the attackers heads would be on spikes and paraded thru the forum"

[Mister Matt]

Imagine if Malia or Michelle was accosted on a plane.

For what reason?  "Or" or "and"?  Do you mean a few weeks after Obama's first election win before he was inaugurated?  What do you believe Obama did to instigate the passenger to accost Malia/Michelle?  Are you using Michelle as an example because you believe Ivanka to be the equivalent to the First Lady in the Trump family?  

The problem with your "imagine if" is that there are zero specifics whereas the event under discussion is entirely specific to a singular event and set of circumstances.  That is why "imagine if"s are usually faulty comparisons and not worthy of a "THIS" gif.  Ask Mr. Roxy.  He's notoriously fond of using them and they never ever work unless they are a direct comparison (or at least a reasonably close proximation).  It's nowhere near an "equal comparison".

[Petralicious]

For what reason?

I know you think he is Second Coming  but Maybe they were upset Obama was elected? Or  any of his policies they didnt agree with? Ormaybe they are supporters of Israel. 

[BroadwayConcierge]

Jeez. What is the stigma with intellectual diversity on here? This is a Broadway message board, not the DNC headquarters. Why is it so threatening for somebody to pose a thought or a question or a circumstance or a hypothetical that even remotely aligns with a conservative and/or Republican perspective? What good is accomplished by calling people who have opinions you disagree with "a cancer"? 

[kdogg36]

Petralicious said: "Imagine if Malia or Michelle was accosted on a plane, the attackers heads would be on spikes and paraded thru the forum"

With regard to Malia, I don't think that would be remotely the same. Ivanka Trump was a major player in the campaign and an active participant in her father's political activities. That's not true of Malia Obama.

Now, if Michelle Obama were somehow on my commercial flight, she'd get an earful about some of her husband's policies. 

 

[Scarywarhol]

BroadwayConcierge said: "Jeez. What is the stigma with intellectual diversity on here? This is a Broadway message board, not the DNC headquarters.

"

I am, like many Americans, furious with the DNC and disappointed in the party in more ways than I care to count. I am also not a huge fan of Barack Obama's performance. 

But this argument is just silly. 

 

Only one party has run campaign after campaign on a platform of explicit anti-intellectualism, culminating with a barely-literate sociopath elected president. One party has run campaign after campaign on xenophobia and homophobia and a fear of diversity.

I'm done with the "If you're so open-minded, why aren't you open to my closed-mindedness?" argument. I'm done with the "If you're so inclusive, why won't you include my bigotry?" argument. That's all doubletalk.

You're going to see most of the theater community (and its fans) line up in opposition of the right wing because the arts necessarily respect diversity; necessarily respect the liberalism of experimentation and necessarily respect empathy. 

[BroadwayConcierge]

Scarywarhol said: "I'm done with the "If you're so open-minded, why aren't you open to my closed-mindedness?" argument."

Whoop, there it is. Thank you for proving my point, sir!

[Mister Matt]

I know you think he is Second Coming

Really?  That's what I think?  Your extra-sensory perception greatly resembles your adroitness in socio-analysis.  You seem to have neither.

Jeez. What is the stigma with intellectual diversity on here?

Well, now you're clearly whining.  Keep it up!

Why is it so threatening for somebody to pose a thought or a question or a circumstance or a hypothetical that even remotely aligns with a conservative and/or Republican perspective?

Pot/kettle...based on how you respond to most political topics.  Why is it so threatening to you for somebody to pose a thought or a question or a circumstance or a hypothetical that even remotely aligns with a liberal and/or Democratic perspective?  Obviously, there appears to be a blue majority on this board.  You can either "accept it" and "move on" or quit being one of those "whiny conservatives".

Scarywarhol said: "I'm done with the "If you're so open-minded, why aren't you open to my closed-mindedness?" argument."

Whoop, there it is. Thank you for proving my point, sir!

Your point is nearly always "Do as I say, not as I do".  We know, already!  We're just ignoring it.  Keep it up!

What good is accomplished by calling people who have opinions you disagree with "a cancer"?

That's pretty reductive.  There have been numerous people with which so many of us have had differing opinions, even politically, that none of us have called "a cancer".  Some of which are even our friends.  Wonderful, great friends!  

[adamgreer]

BroadwayConcierge said: "Jeez. What is the stigma with intellectual diversity on here? This is a Broadway message board, not the DNC headquarters. Why is it so threatening for somebody to pose a thought or a question or a circumstance or a hypothetical that even remotely aligns with a conservative and/or Republican perspective? What good is accomplished by calling people who have opinions you disagree with "a cancer"? 

 

Why is it threatening for you to answer any of the numerous, very specific, questions that numerous posters, including myself, have asked you? Is it because you have no defense for your outrageous positions?

 

[SweetLips]

I do wish with same sex couples who marry that there were different names besides husband/wife/partner. Forgive my naivety but that article refers to 'husband'-male so is the other male 'wife' or 'husband' as well?

Could we adopt another word from another language for 'partner' that doesn't sound so harsh?

Thought I'd just change direction as was getting a little steamy in here and almost time to make those NY resolutions-so that we can break them the next day.

Happy and Healthy and Safe 2017 to all

[wonderfulwizard11]

A comparison to Malia or Michelle is just silly. Malia is an actual child and has no power in her father's administration, and while I'm sure the President has on occasion asked Michelle's advice, she isn't an active player in his administration (not that people still don't have issue with her "controversial" goal of getting children to eat healthier, but still). Ivanka Trump, on the other hand, is a very closer advisor to her father. When he announced a child-care policy earlier this year, it was widely-reported by the campaign that it came about because Ivanka pushed him on it. Not to mention, she is also on the Transition Team and has sat in on meetings with heads of state- of course, she's also managing Trump's "blind trust", but who really cares about myriad conflicts of interest, am I right? Too bad we never got to see his tax returns!

If you think what this passenger did was questionable, that's your right, though it should be noted that witnesses didn't describe him as shouting or being intimidating. But here's the thing- Ivanka Trump has made herself a prominent political figure with the ear of the man who's about to be President. If she doesn't want to be confronted about that (and, given how she hilariously ran away from a Cosmo interview when they pressed her on the inadequacies of the child-care plan, it seems like she does not respond well to it), then she shouldn't be working for her father's administration. As numerous right-wing commenters have repeated ad nauseum in the past two months- suck it up, buttercup. 

[Mister Matt]

Forgive my naivety but that article refers to 'husband'-male so is the other male 'wife' or 'husband' as well?

"Husband" and "wife" are gender-specific.  "Partner" and "spouse" are non-gender specific.  My husband and I are both male, so we refer to each other as "husband" because we are both male and we are legally married and it is the term we prefer.  We even had the option to use either "husband" or "spouse" on our marriage certificate.  "Partner" is the most generic as it is used for relationships of any self-identified gender both of legal or non-legal status.  "Husband/wife/spouse" actually carry legal connotations, whether used casually or not.

[SweetLips]

Thanks MM that was a wonderful, and sensible reply. It was my ignorance and 'straight' upbringing that automatically assumed[and we know we should never do that !] that the other male was 'the wife'.

 

Silly me.

[sabrelady]

An old friend of mine, self described as "the most non pc lesbian you ever met" is a writer.   She stated to me at the time of her wedding that as a writer she did not believe in confusing  people, esp readers w terms that have been used to mean one thing and now can mean another. She and her significant other refer to each other as their spouse and to continue her statement "nobody has ever been unaware of what their relationship is." 

So that is the phrase I use even if folks ain't married up.

(PS she hated the term "partner" said it sounded like they were a corporation- "Lesbo & Lesbo Inc"

[kdogg36]

But the term "wife" means the same thing it always did - a female party to a marriage. I don't think it's confusing at all.

[Petralicious]

kdogg36 said: "Imagine if Malia or Michelle was accosted on a plane, the attackers heads would be on spikes and paraded thru the forum"

With regard to Malia, I don't think that would be remotely the same. Ivanka Trump was a major player in the campaign and an active participant in her father's political activities. That's not true of Malia Obama.

Now, if Michelle Obama were somehow on my commercial flight, she'd get an earful about some of her husband's policies. 

 

 

"I believe you are right on both points KDogg but it would be just as wrong and horrible. Especially if she was there with her young child