Producers vs Hamilton
Producers vs Hamilton
mc1227
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/29/07
#1Producers vs Hamilton
Posted: 6/13/16 at 2:08pm
I'm trying to figure out why Hamilton didn't at least tie The Producers in total Tony Awards? What were the categories that Hamilton didn't win that the Producers did?
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WiCkEDrOcKS
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/13/04
#2Producers vs Hamilton
Posted: 6/13/16 at 2:11pm
The sound design category has been dissolved since THE PRODUCERS sweep. Had it still been around this year, HAMILTON would have tied with the record set by THE PRODUCERS.
#3Producers vs Hamilton
Posted: 6/13/16 at 2:11pm
it won in the same categories except Scenic Design. Producers wasn't nominated for Leading Actress, which gave Hamilton the most nominations.
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Broadway Forever2
Leading Actor Joined: 3/7/16
#4Producers vs Hamilton
Posted: 6/13/16 at 2:11pm
It lost scenic design to She Loves Me which Producers won lol. I'm shocked they managed to give She loves me a bone but it's scenic design does look great from what I've seen of it.
Sound Design was introduced in 2007 so it didn't exist when Producers won it's awards.
#7Producers vs Hamilton
Posted: 6/13/16 at 2:14pm
lol we all answered simultaneously.
Wickedrocks, sound design didn't exist when Producers premiered.
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neonlightsxo
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/29/08
#8Producers vs Hamilton
Posted: 6/13/16 at 2:14pm
"The sound design category has been dissolved since THE PRODUCERS sweep."
That's just false. It was only eliminated 2 years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Award_for_Best_Sound_Design
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Producers_(musical) It didn't exist yet in 2001.
But yes, scenic design.
WiCkEDrOcKS
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/13/04
asmith0307
Broadway Star Joined: 8/5/14
#10Producers vs Hamilton
Posted: 6/13/16 at 2:18pm
One thing that bugged me a little, and what some people don't think about when they hear "16 Nominations" is that they were only able to actually win 13 (barring any ties) since there were 5 people competing against each other in 2 categories. When they lost scenic design (which if I remember correctly, was the second category announced for musicals after costume design last night), they weren't going to break the record as Phillipa wasn't going to beat Cynthia.
Updated On: 6/13/16 at 02:18 PM#11Producers vs Hamilton
Posted: 6/13/16 at 2:19pm
I didn't hear about the design until the show was happening so it wasn't til like 6 awards that I knew they wouldn't beat the record. I was kind of bummed.
"Contentment, it seems, simply happens. It appears accompanied by no bravos and no tears."
asmith0307
Broadway Star Joined: 8/5/14
#12Producers vs Hamilton
Posted: 6/13/16 at 2:30pm
Yep. It was awarded during the pre-telecast section at 7 with costume, scenic, and all the special Tonys.
#13Producers vs Hamilton
Posted: 6/13/16 at 2:54pm
yes I know that now but didn't at the time. where was it broadcast?
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mc1227
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/29/07
#14Producers vs Hamilton
Posted: 6/13/16 at 2:59pm
thanks for the info...
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Updated On: 6/13/16 at 02:59 PM
asmith0307
Broadway Star Joined: 8/5/14
#15Producers vs Hamilton
Posted: 6/13/16 at 3:00pm
I was in the theatre, so it all kind of runs together in terms of timeline. They showed us when it was announced on the telecast, but I don't remember when that was.
#16Producers vs Hamilton
Posted: 6/13/16 at 3:02pm
sorry I thought you meant like you saw it on a live stream somewhere. how did you get in the theater???
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mc1227
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/29/07
#17Producers vs Hamilton
Posted: 6/13/16 at 3:13pm
asmith0307 said: "One thing that bugged me a little, and what some people don't think about when they hear "16 Nominations" is that they were only able to actually win 13 (barring any ties) since there were 5 people competing against each other in 2 categories. When they lost scenic design (which if I remember correctly, was the second category announced for musicals after costume design last night), they weren't going to break the record as Phillipa wasn't going to beat Cynthia.
Good observation but I don't take the amount of wins vs. nominations to heart. The Producers, if I recall correctly, also had multiple nominees in Best leading and featured actor categories, so they could only win so many as well. The point of all the nominations/wins is that the shows were/are tremendous. Not that it matters, but Hamilton had much stiffer competition this year than the Producers did in 2001. Hamilton has solidified itself in the Broadway history books, and rightfully so. Both shows have had tremendous impacts on the industry and that's what I think really matters in the end.
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#18Producers vs Hamilton
Posted: 6/13/16 at 3:19pm
it was the exact same about of nominees in each category except leading actress.
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asmith0307
Broadway Star Joined: 8/5/14
#19Producers vs Hamilton
Posted: 6/13/16 at 3:26pm
Oh, I just meant it bugged me a little in general, not necessarily in this context. All night, people kept saying "Hamilton is up for a record 16 Tony Awards", and in my head I kept saying "well, not exactly..."
#20Producers vs Hamilton
Posted: 6/13/16 at 3:31pm
after that first loss I honestly kept hoping against hope that there would be a tie for one of the actors (probably Jon Groff just because I feel like he is someone who should definitely have a Tony)
"Contentment, it seems, simply happens. It appears accompanied by no bravos and no tears."
RippedMan
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/14/05
#21Producers vs Hamilton
Posted: 6/13/16 at 3:58pm
What performance of Groffs would you say is Tony worthy?! I find him so bland.
It is funny cause my roommate was watching with me and has no idea of theater and was like "that's their set? That's awful."
I do wonder what Hamilton would look like if it had been designed as a commercial production beforehand. Fun Home changed their whole look for a new design, but Hamilton stayed the same. And I think the brick wall design is a little boring.
#22Producers vs Hamilton
Posted: 6/13/16 at 4:49pm
I definitely don't find him bland, perhaps it's a question of taste.
i like their set (that was just a replica we saw last night) especially because setting changes so frequently I think it works to have an all-purpose set.
"Contentment, it seems, simply happens. It appears accompanied by no bravos and no tears."
asmith0307
Broadway Star Joined: 8/5/14
#23Producers vs Hamilton
Posted: 6/13/16 at 5:05pm
Also, the performance last night just had the photo on the LED of the set at its barest moment. You didn't see how the set literally grows taller at intermission, or the candles that light the back of the stage during the softer numbers. It's not my favorite set, but it is by no means bland.
RippedMan
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/14/05
#24Producers vs Hamilton
Posted: 6/13/16 at 6:32pm
Bland wasn't in reference to the set! But She Loves Me is a gorgeously detailed set that suits the show perfectly.
Hands down, the best two designs of the season to me were Therse Raquin and American Pyscho. Oh well.
leefowler
Broadway Star Joined: 7/13/04
#25Producers vs Hamilton
Posted: 6/13/16 at 6:37pm
If only Hamilton had a better set, then it could have been a REALLY big hit...
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Updated On: 6/13/16 at 06:37 PM
